Science & Religion

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Robert_Sock said:
Science is filled with half-truths and is filled with corruption. Technology does not flow from science like is so commonly believed in our society. Technology is amazing, science is not.
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As science is the investigation of nature, the study of Creation, does that imply you find Creation dull compared to a cell phone?
 
Charlemagne_II said:
Wisdom, not science, is at the heart of religion. Religion is vastly more important than science, and it is vastly important that one finds a religion that is true rather than one that is false.
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Silly scientists spending their lives finding ways to cure disease when they could be debating the number of angels on a pinhead.
 
inocente said:
Silly scientists spending their lives finding ways to cure disease when they could be debating the number of angels on a pinhead.
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Or numbers of pinheads refusing to protect themselves from disease. Either way another cyber drink coming right up.

Cheers

Much better now
 
StrawberryJam said:
You do not understand science to say this. Anymore than someone whining about how they don’t like how their pastor has their church set up.
Science should not be treated as a failure anymore than religion should for it’s shortcomings.
Ignorance of Science should be a concern for Catholics today.
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Who are you to say that I am ingorant to Science. I know what my Church teaches.

The teachings of Christ by the way have NO Shortcomings. Where have I every blamed the RCC for the mistakes and conducts of a Priest, a Pope, Bishop or member of the Church. If you ever read my posts it is I who have said you do not lay the sins of Peter at the feet of Christ.

I thing ignorance of Christ should be a larger concern for all People today not science. When it comes to judgement day I do not believe I have to stand before God with understanding of science.

But I KNOW I must stand before Christ for my knowledge of my SINS.

There are things in science that are not accepted in the RCC. Who are you to judge us for our faith and fialure to accept a wrong that is taught according to our faith.

What about abortion, just because we can take a pill, etc to end that human life, and science has the knowledge to do this, it is still not a sin? I think not!

As I stated earlier the RCC does accept and welcome Science, Unless it is in direct conflict with the word of God. We have the right to reject science when it causes one of our brothers or sister to fall to a state of sin.

Science has many times become in direct conflict with the word of God and when this practice is offered it should always be rejected by Christians. That is not ignorance of science, it is educated in Christ.
 
As far as I can see the science/religion conflict only occurs when there is a difference between some prevailing interpretation of something in a religion and a conclusion from experimentation and research that some one else is spreading. Some of the supposed conflicts may be from a struggle between tradition (or what is considered natural) vs. change into which some one decides to introduce their view of the opinion of their god (ex: “If God had meant for men to fly…”). If some scientific advance enables people to get twice as much usage out of their iPod batteries.

There’s something in the Quran (25:53) about Salt water and fresh water not mixing, so under some interpretations of Islam talking about the solubility of salty and fresh water can cause conflicts. Under some interpretations of the bible talking about things in the past from more than 6,000 years ago is conflicting.
 
StrawberryJam said:
Citations please. Creation or detonation?
How one uses something does make a difference.
Why is religion vastly more important than science?
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Because if it was not for God there would be no science, no wisdom no esistance.

We do not have to truly know everything about God. We only have to obey his commands.

Is is through that faith and trust and truth that God gives us the grace to understand things in time. His time. But as long as you obey HIS truth you will never fail. It is when you begin to follow the truth of man that you will fail.
 
ThinkingSapien said:
As far as I can see the science/religion conflict only occurs when there is a difference between some prevailing interpretation of something in a religion and a conclusion from experimentation and research that some one else is spreading. Some of the supposed conflicts may be from a struggle between tradition (or what is considered natural) vs. change into which some one decides to introduce their view of the opinion of their god (ex: “If God had meant for men to fly…”). If some scientific advance enables people to get twice as much usage out of their iPod batteries.

There’s something in the Quran (25:53) about Salt water and fresh water not mixing, so under some interpretations of Islam talking about the solubility of salty and fresh water can cause conflicts. Under some interpretations of the bible talking about things in the past from more than 6,000 years ago is conflicting.
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Correct, I do not disagree with this. But Jesus came and left us the CHURCH. The Pilar of all truth.
 
The Pope said Science cannot explain why we exist.

They cannot satisfy our deepest longing of the human heart.

Cannot explain our origin or destiny, nor why we exist, and cannot eexplain why there is something rather then nothing.

The Pope says genuine Religious beliefs leads people BEYOND present toward the transcendent.

Science can only try to explain how. But it does not explain WHY. It can never overpower the knowledge of God. God has overpowered science with his miracles time after time.

Back in the time of Christ even before his human existance Man never really questioned how. If you look back in the O.T even the N.T they wanted to know WHY Jesus did the miracles he did, more then how he did them. Or WHY God commanded this or that, not HOW.

Science can be a wonderful gift from God. When Man uses it to do the work of Christ. Which can be said for all of his gifts and good grace.

But when science gets into trouble is when it tries to become God. God created life, not science.

Even if science can prove dna it sure as heck can’t make it or change it.
 
Strawberry Jam

**Why is religion vastly more important than science? **

Eternity trumps time! 👍
 
inocente

**Silly scientists spending their lives finding ways to cure disease when they could be debating the number of angels on a pinhead. **

Yeah, silly scientists, looking for ways to annihilate the human race with nuclear missiles when they could be doing unto others as they would have others do unto them. :rolleyes:
 
Charlemagne_II said:
inocente

**Silly scientists spending their lives finding ways to cure disease when they could be debating the number of angels on a pinhead. **

Yeah, silly scientists, looking for ways to annihilate the human race with nuclear missiles when they could be doing unto others as they would have others do unto them. :rolleyes:
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I wonder what moral, personal and spiritual principles, values, goals and ideals have been established by scientific research… 😉
 
Charlemagne_II said:
Yeah, silly scientists, looking for ways to annihilate the human race with nuclear missiles when they could be doing unto others as they would have others do unto them. :rolleyes:
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As you dislike scientists so much, it would obviously be very hypocritical of you to continue using your computer and other fruits of their labors, so you won’t be replying to this or any other message every again. :sad_bye:

Unless - could it be that scientists aren’t gods after all, but are just people like the rest of us, and it’s only some scientists who won’t get to heaven?
 
tonyrey said:
I wonder what moral, personal and spiritual principles, values, goals and ideals have been established by scientific research… 😉
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Or indeed plumbers, dancing girls and accountants. You could always write your congressman if you really want to give scientists exclusive power, but I’d ask you to think it over carefully first.
 
inocente

As you dislike scientists so much, it would obviously be very hypocritical of you to continue using your computer and other fruits of their labors, so you won’t be replying to this or any other message every again.

I’ll say it again, since it’s not getting through. It’s not that I don’t like scientists. It’s that I don’t like some of the things they’ve done with their talents.

Science can do bad things. Wisdom, by its very definition, cannot do bad things.

Did I say you don’t like monks because you don’t like talking about angels and pinheads?

Bottom line, Einstein was a bright scientist, but he lacked wisdom. He urged the creation of nuclear weapons. Even he later admitted it was a dumb move.

Wisdom is vastly more important than science. If science had wisdom, we would have no bombs whatever. What makes scientists develop cures for diseases rather than make bombs? Wisdom.

“Do unto other what you would have others do unto you.” Wisdom.

By the way, I think there are plenty of devils that can fit on the tip of a nuclear missile. :rolleyes:
 
tonyrey said:
I wonder what moral, personal and spiritual principles, values, goals and ideals have been established by scientific research… 😉
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That’s a bit like asking “I wonder what nails have been driven into place with a saw?” Science comes from a word meaning “To know” (scīre) and is just a method for inquiry into the physical word. It’s not something I would vilify or praise any more than I would vilify or praise hammers and drills. Any of the above (science, saws, and drills) can be used for good or bad purposes. But it’s the person using the tool that applies it to a good or bad things.
 
Thinking

**But it’s the person using the tool that applies it to a good or bad things. **

Good. Science is at the service of wisdom … or should be.
 
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