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buffalo
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No - as I said before it would have died immediately had there been a body.
I am in agreement - false things can survive such as atheism and paganism.
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I am in agreement - false things can survive such as atheism and paganism.
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buffalo
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I found this -does anyone know if it is authentic?
LETTER TO TIBERIUS CAESAR FROM PONTIUS PILATE
A young man appeared in Galilee preaching with humble unction, a new law in the Name of the God that had sent Him. At first I was apprehensive that His design was to stir up the people against the Romans, but my fears were soon dispelled. Jesus of Nazareth spoke rather as a friend of the Romans than of the Jews. One day, I observed in the midst of a group of people a young man who was leaning against a tree, calmly addressing the multitude. I was told that his name was Jesus. This I could easily have suspected, so great was the difference between Him and those who were listening to Him. His golden coloured hair and His beard gave to His appearance a celestial aspect. He appeared to be about thirty years of age. Never have I seen a sweeter or more serene countenance. What a contrast between Him and His hearers with their black beards and tawny complexions. Unwilling to interrupt Him by my presence, I continued my walk but signified to my secretary to join the group and listen. Later, my secretary reported that never had he read in the words of all the philosophers, anything that compared to the teachings of Jesus. He told me that Jesus was neither seditious nor rebellious, so we extended to Him our protection. He was at liberty to act, to speak, to assemble, and to address the people. This unlimited freedom provoked the Jews - not the poor but the rich and powerful.
Later, I wrote to Jesus requesting an interview with Him at the Praetorium. He came. When the Nazarene made His appearance I was having a morning walk and as I faced Him my feet seemed fastened with an iron band to the marble pavement and I trembled in every limb, as a guilty culprit, though He was calm. For some time I stood admiring this extraordinary Man. There was nothing in Him that was repelling nor in His character, yet I felt awed in His presence. I told Him that there was a magnetic simplicity about Him and His personality that elevated Him far above the philosophers and teachers of His day. All in all He made a deep impression upon me and everyone because of His kindness, simplicity, humility and love.
Now, Noble Sovereign, these are the facts concerning Jesus of Nazareth and I have taken tirne to write you in detail concerning these matters. I say that such a man who could convert water into wine, change death into life, disease into health, calm the stormy seas, is not guilty of any criminal offence and as others have said, we must agree truly this is the Son of God!
Your mostobedient servant,
PONTIUS PILATE
LETTER TO TIBERIUS CAESAR FROM PONTIUS PILATE
A young man appeared in Galilee preaching with humble unction, a new law in the Name of the God that had sent Him. At first I was apprehensive that His design was to stir up the people against the Romans, but my fears were soon dispelled. Jesus of Nazareth spoke rather as a friend of the Romans than of the Jews. One day, I observed in the midst of a group of people a young man who was leaning against a tree, calmly addressing the multitude. I was told that his name was Jesus. This I could easily have suspected, so great was the difference between Him and those who were listening to Him. His golden coloured hair and His beard gave to His appearance a celestial aspect. He appeared to be about thirty years of age. Never have I seen a sweeter or more serene countenance. What a contrast between Him and His hearers with their black beards and tawny complexions. Unwilling to interrupt Him by my presence, I continued my walk but signified to my secretary to join the group and listen. Later, my secretary reported that never had he read in the words of all the philosophers, anything that compared to the teachings of Jesus. He told me that Jesus was neither seditious nor rebellious, so we extended to Him our protection. He was at liberty to act, to speak, to assemble, and to address the people. This unlimited freedom provoked the Jews - not the poor but the rich and powerful.
Later, I wrote to Jesus requesting an interview with Him at the Praetorium. He came. When the Nazarene made His appearance I was having a morning walk and as I faced Him my feet seemed fastened with an iron band to the marble pavement and I trembled in every limb, as a guilty culprit, though He was calm. For some time I stood admiring this extraordinary Man. There was nothing in Him that was repelling nor in His character, yet I felt awed in His presence. I told Him that there was a magnetic simplicity about Him and His personality that elevated Him far above the philosophers and teachers of His day. All in all He made a deep impression upon me and everyone because of His kindness, simplicity, humility and love.
Now, Noble Sovereign, these are the facts concerning Jesus of Nazareth and I have taken tirne to write you in detail concerning these matters. I say that such a man who could convert water into wine, change death into life, disease into health, calm the stormy seas, is not guilty of any criminal offence and as others have said, we must agree truly this is the Son of God!
Your mostobedient servant,
PONTIUS PILATE
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Ahimsa
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I would need to see the original document.
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buffalo
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**(The original of this letter is in the library of Rome. An authenticated copy is in the Library of Congress in Washington, D.C.) **
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Ahimsa
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Apparently, Pilate wrote two letters to Tiberius Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus, but neither one is thought to be genuine.
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Lui
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Based on the writing style, most experts agree that it was a forgery written in the 4th century, probably by Eusebius or Jerome.
fact-index.com/a/ac/acts_of_pilate.html
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rossum
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And Islam grew faster than Christianity in the early years as well. If the speed of growth of Christianity is testament to God’s favour, then by the same argument Islam has more of God’s favour (and Judaism has very little).
Not a strong argument to my way of thinking.
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Lui
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No, I am obviously totally convinced that the first humans existed…about 200000 years ago having evolved from Homo erectus. What I said is that I don’t believe that Adam ever existed. I would say I’m about 100% sure he is fiction and don’t have the slightest doubt…
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Elizabeth502
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So then, I take it that you do not believe that there was any original First Couple who initiated the propagation of the human race? Interesting. I wonder how the species arrived spontaneously in a large group (so to speak).
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StAnastasia
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There is no genetic evidence that at any time in the last 200,000 years the evolving hominid population ever fell significantly below 3,000-10,000 breeding couples. It certainly never dropped to a single pair. Of course, one could make the theological argument that God selected on pair out of that population to symbolize a “first couple,” but their children also carried the genetic information of that couple’s parents, grandparents, and so forth back into the prehistory of our species.So then, I take it that you do not believe that there was any original First Couple who initiated the propagation of the human race? Interesting. I wonder how the species arrived spontaneously in a large group (so to speak).
StAnastasia
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grannymh
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Genetic evidence of a tiny number of the 20,000 - 25,000 genes in a human who, by the way, is distinctive from all others so that there is no one personal genome which can be called “The Human” sample. Even twins are distinctive from their neighbors.
So, looking at the current population diversity, how does one know for sure that he or she is part of the local “genetic population” in the specific decade and location of Christ’s salvific sacrifice? What is the answer from general science which resides in the realm of material non-spiritual [no spiritual soul in the image of God] anatomies?
Or is the logical answer from Catholicism which teaches that all human persons descended from one set of parents thus assuring the unity of human nature?
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rossum
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Evolution is a population phenomenon. Think in terms of a “first tribe” rather than a “first couple”.
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grannymh
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Is the first human being known by a biblical name?
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Ahimsa
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True, over the long run. But, surely, a particular mutation would be very unlikely to occur in thousands of organisms, simultaneously and independently. For instance, all great apes have 24 chromosomes; humans have 23 – due to the fusion of two chromosomes in an extinct human ancestor. Are you saying that this fusion could have likely occurred in hundreds of individuals simultaneously?
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grannymh
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The human being is an extraordinary phenomenon who cannot be squeezed into a material/physical only category.
The human person is made in the image of God and not the image of any other biological vertebrate. Thus, the human person is singular among living organisms. There is no necessity to dismiss the spiritual/material human nature just because some people cannot think outside the box of science.
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rossum
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No. A chromosome fusion would reduce inter-fertility by about 50%. All the pieces are there, it is just that there is a 50% chance of them being assembled incorrectly. The reduction in inter-fertility would make it likely that a mixed population would tend to separate into two groups, each with 100% inter-fertility within the group and 50% fertility with the other group. Later loss of one centriole of the fused chromosome would greatly reduce inter-fertility, but that would be a later development and would probably only have happened after separation.
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Ahimsa
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OK, but are you saying that two or more organisms developed chromosome fusion simultaneously?
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You
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2 800 000 years between human ancestor and first modern type human, …
chimps lifespan 50 years divided into 2,800,000 years =56 000 generations multiplied by 10 000 [stable pop] =
560 000 000 transition skeletons at the very least over 2,800,000 years.
560 million transition skeletons at least. And we have how many
uch:?- Status