Science told: hands off gay sheep

[pathia]

how do you define a gay sheep? would these same sheep mount other animals too? how does it know it’s a male sheep? how exactly do two male sheeps have intercourse?

i have seen dogs mount legs and other male dogs, i wouldn’t say they were gay–they’re animals, they’ll mount anything. i had a female dog hump my leg.

i’m very skeptical of this study. i think they have an agenda. animals can’t be gay because that requires an intellect.

They are rams that when given a ewe (female sheep) in heat and another ram, they will mount the ram. They do not respond to the estrous of the female sheep. It is different than mounting to show dominance, they literally perform (or attempt to perform) anal intercourse.

It’s a very observable phenomenon, this particular breed of sheep has no qualms about ‘doing it’ in from of humans, so it’s been noticed by farmers for decades. The research is being done to hopefully eliminate the profit loss, as a gay ram provides no more sheep for the farmer.

It should be noted, that this research is focusing on the hypothalamus, which does not show as striking a difference between gay and straight human males. There are some studies that showed a statistically viable difference, but it was not always repeatable in repeated studies.

There is also considerable variability in the human hypothalamus, my own is half the average size of the average woman, this has to do with my lack of hormones during puberty. I didn’t make any sex hormones as I grew up, and my brain is misshapen compared to average, I am disqualified from any studies due to this, kinda freaky! This happened long before any issues with my sexual orientation, so my own opinion of it directing sexual preference is dubious.

Edit: Cleared up some misspellings.

 

[Dee_Dee_King]

They are rams that when given a ewe (female sheep) in heat and another ram, they will mount the ram. They do not respond to the estrous of the female sheep. It is different than mounting to show dominance, they literally perform (or attempt to perform) anal intercourse.

the ram intentionally tries to have anal intercourse with another ram? or does it happen by proximity? also, does the mounted ram allow this?

i don’t understand why the ram is excited enough sexually to have anal intercourse with a ram. is it visual or is it attracted to ram smell? what is the stimulus?

here’s a good article on it. seems there are many holes in their methodology.

 

[pathia]

i don’t understand why the ram is excited enough sexually to have anal intercourse with a ram. is it visual or is it attracted to ram smell? what is the stimulus?

They don’t know, that’s the entire point of all the studies…

here’s a good article on it. seems there are many holes in their methodology.

I generally have nothing to do with NARTH, because they ruined my life, took several thousand dollars from my parents and will no longer deal with me, except for Doctor Throckmorton who will at least speak with me, but he recently distanced himself from the organization.

 

[Adamma]

Interesting, sooooooooo this makes my two dogs gay, also? (ha-ha). They seem to role play and mount each other, at various times and simulate an act. I do not believe the actual act ever occurs and they are both fixed anyway. Maybe the sheep(rams) are doing similar, of course I have never witnessed such and this is the first I have heard it mentioned, with the exception of hyenas (television information). Maybe the separation of the sheep and the goats, should be taken more literally (apparently feeling humorous in the new year now).
Anyway hope this relpy is not all that baaaaaaaaaad.

 

[pathia]

Interesting, sooooooooo this makes my two dogs gay, also? (ha-ha). They seem to role play and mount each other, at various times and simulate an act. I do not believe the actual act ever occurs and they are both fixed anyway. Maybe the sheep(rams) are doing similar, of course I have never witnessed such and this is the first I have heard it mentioned, with the exception of hyenas (television information). Maybe the separation of the sheep and the goats, should be taken more literally (apparently feeling humorous in the new year now).
Anyway hope this relpy is not all that baaaaaaaaaad.

This has been covered multiple times in the thread, it is not dominance behavior. The rams when given a female sheep in heat, have no interest in her, and will mate with another ram.

 

[Riley259]

the ram intentionally tries to have anal intercourse with another ram? or does it happen by proximity? also, does the mounted ram allow this?

i don’t understand why the ram is excited enough sexually to have anal intercourse with a ram. is it visual or is it attracted to ram smell? what is the stimulus?

here’s a good article on it. seems there are many holes in their methodology.

Good article - thank you for that resource. It’s obvious that gay activists will spin the facts to put their biased theories in the best possible light.

 

[Jennifer123]

though I remain unconvinced and would prefer to see mentions of the phenomena made outside the realm of some sort of agenda to form a biological basis for same-sex attraction in humans.

Kind of my point, though wasn’t articulated very well, if at all…

I find it interesting that the number of “Gay” sheep is approximate to the number of “Gay” humans, at least in the world of secular academia. After all, we are only animals…

 

[jimmy]

Interesting article. A couple of paragraphs stood out to me:No. Sheep have the right to be on my dinner table and to be part of the clothing I wear. Ah, with the Nazi label again. Eugenics is about killing people with undesirable traits and maladies, not curing them. Get your facts straight Tatchell.

What amazes me about those quotes is that gays claim that they can’t help that they are gay, but when there is a possibility for a treatment they reject it. It is contradictory.

 

[pathia]

What amazes me about those quotes is that gays claim that they can’t help that they are gay, but when there is a possibility for a treatment they reject it. It is contradictory.

Why would they?

If they are happy, why would they? Most gay people I know are the original definition of gay, as in happy. I don’t know any of the anonymous sex in bathroom bars type, I suspect they exist but I’ve never ran into them personally. If they aren’t christian, they have no moral reason to believe they should be any other way.

Curing for me was much more horrible than simply just attempting chastity. I was much more depressed when I tried to find a cure for my problems.

When I was in reparative therapy, I tried to kill myself three times. Managed to go so far as being hospitalized once I managed to do enough damage to have to have my stomach pumped.

I still suffer tremors, flashes of pain and hallucinations when touched by any males, even relatives, because of the electroshock aversion therapy I underwent.

 

[hasikelee]

I don’t think it stinks of Eugenics YET.

However, what if they manage to work out a vaccine to be given in the womb? Would you oppose that? Then take it farther. What if they figured out how to just give a current gay person a shot, and cure them. Would we make laws to force them to take the shots?

Are you opposed to the smallpox vaccine?

Do you think small children should be prohibited from receiving lithium to treat their bi-polar disorders?

Should doctors be banned from giving shots to cure people?

Except for indirect force, such as making most school accessible only if the students show proof of vaccination, I haven’t heard of much “forced” medical care around here.

I think the real question you’re grappling with isn’t curing, but whether you think it is something to be cured.

 

[pathia]

Are you opposed to the smallpox vaccine?

Do you think small children should be prohibited from receiving lithium to treat their bi-polar disorders?

Should doctors be banned from giving shots to cure people?

Except for indirect force, such as making most school accessible only if the students show proof of vaccination, I haven’t heard of much “forced” medical care around here.

I think the real question you’re grappling with isn’t curing, but whether you think it is something to be cured.

My personal opinion, which runs quite contrary to catholic teaching, is that sexuality is like skin color, hair color and eye color. It is not something to be cured of in my book, anymore than blue eyes. This is something of an axiom, it is not worth debating because nothing will come of it because my view is so counterpoint.

I have been hurt so badly by the Church, actually I should say members of the Church, not the church itself, in my past. I find it heartening to speak to people here who treat me much better than the parishioners and clergy I have dealt with during my life. I was more or less treated as a freak, and people stared at me all Mass long, here at least I have anonymity so I can speak with others.

 

[Other_Eric]

Are you opposed to the smallpox vaccine?

Do you think small children should be prohibited from receiving lithium to treat their bi-polar disorders?

Should doctors be banned from giving shots to cure people?

Except for indirect force, such as making most school accessible only if the students show proof of vaccination, I haven’t heard of much “forced” medical care around here.

I think the real question you’re grappling with isn’t curing, but whether you think it is something to be cured.

If a vaccine or shot can be made from this research in order to chemically cure same-sex attractions, then I see no reason why such a thing should not be mandated. There exists no right to be either diseased or deformed and if the treatment works, the public health benefits alone demonstrate why such a thing ought to be administered in every case, by force if necessary.

 

[manualman]

Pathia,

I am so sorry to hear of your pain and anguish. I hope you encounter people here who show you love and charity in spite of disagreeing with your vision of human sexuality.

I am rather curious about how exactly farmers would suffer an economic loss from 10% of their male sheep exhibiting exlcusively homosexual behavior. As far as I know, sheep are not monogomous, which means that a 10% reduction in hetero behavior should have ZERO effect on reproduction rates. After all, I would think that the other 90% of the male herd would be quite happy to take up the slack, if you know what I mean…

Are sheep not classic herd animals where one dominant male asserts himself over the others and hoards all the fertile females for himself? If that is the case, 10% ‘gay’ sheep would have no economic impact of farmers.

 

[pathia]

Pathia,

I am so sorry to hear of your pain and anguish. I hope you encounter people here who show you love and charity in spite of disagreeing with your vision of human sexuality.

I am rather curious about how exactly farmers would suffer an economic loss from 10% of their male sheep exhibiting exlcusively homosexual behavior. As far as I know, sheep are not monogomous, which means that a 10% reduction in hetero behavior should have ZERO effect on reproduction rates. After all, I would think that the other 90% of the male herd would be quite happy to take up the slack, if you know what I mean…

Are sheep not classic herd animals where one dominant male asserts himself over the others and hoards all the fertile females for himself? If that is the case, 10% ‘gay’ sheep would have no economic impact of farmers.

That is a good point. The article does say it is being peer reviewed, so we may just have to wait until that finishes before the real answers come forth.

 

[goofyjim]

I don’t really care if they do find a “cure” for same sex attraction. There’s nothing worn with it in and of itself, which is what the Church has stated, so I’ll let let it be. I’m not spending on psychiatrists because Jesus didn’t say to the rich man go and sell what you have and give to them; he would have said give to the poor. And any genetic alterations may have other disastrous consequences. I’ll live with myself as I am thank you very much. I am living chastely. If anyone is disturbed by my same sex attractions they have to leave the Church. It is not up to them to dictate that the homosexual is condition is itself sinful.

 

[Jennifer123]

I don’t really care if they do find a “cure” for same sex attraction. There’s nothing worn with it in and of itself, which is what the Church has stated, so I’ll let let it be. I’m not spending on psychiatrists because Jesus didn’t say to the rich man go and sell what you have and give to them; he would have said give to the poor. And any genetic alterations may have other disastrous consequences. I’ll live with myself as I am thank you very much. I am living chastely. If anyone is disturbed by my same sex attractions they have to leave the Church. It is not up to them to dictate that the homosexual is condition is itself sinful.

Goofy -

I appreciate your posts and I am glad you are here with your perspective, but if I may ask, how do you think that SSA isn’t wrong, in and of itself? The Church states it is “inherently disordered”. I know you know that it doesn’t mean homosexuals are disordered “in and of themselves”, but certainly the attraction is disordered.

Now, I hope you know me well enough to know I harbor no prejudice against people w SSA, you can hopefully see that from any past posts, but I disagree that SSA isn’t “wrong”.

I also don’t think that people should have to choose “vaccination” or whatever have you, but certainly people, if they knew about living within God’s grace, would want to live without this burden if at all possible, wouldn’t they? Aren’t we all trying to free ourselves from our own bondage??

Thanks.

 

[goofyjim]

Goofy -

I appreciate your posts and I am glad you are here with your perspective, but if I may ask, how do you think that SSA isn’t wrong, in and of itself? The Church states it is “inherently disordered”. I know you know that it doesn’t mean homosexuals are disordered “in and of themselves”, but certainly the attraction is disordered.

Now, I hope you know me well enough to know I harbor no prejudice against people w SSA, you can hopefully see that from any past posts, but I disagree that SSA isn’t “wrong”.

I also don’t think that people should have to choose “vaccination” or whatever have you, but certainly people, if they knew about living within God’s grace, would want to live without this burden if at all possible, wouldn’t they? Aren’t we all trying to free ourselves from our own bondage??

Thanks.

But even with this burden I am living within God’s grace. It is the cross he gave me. If mankind takes it away mankind will probably give me one I can’t handle. There is no bondage because the same sex attractions are not sinful.

 

[Jennifer123]

But even with this burden I am living within God’s grace. It is the cross he gave me. If mankind takes it away mankind will probably give me one I can’t handle. There is no bondage because the same sex attractions are not sinful.

I see what you mean. I know homosexuals can live w/ SSA and still be in God’s grace. I guess I’m confused by what you think “inherently disordered” means.

 

[deb1]

Pathia,

I am so sorry to hear of your pain and anguish. I hope you encounter people here who show you love and charity in spite of disagreeing with your vision of human sexuality.

I am rather curious about how exactly farmers would suffer an economic loss from 10% of their male sheep exhibiting exlcusively homosexual behavior. As far as I know, sheep are not monogomous, which means that a 10% reduction in hetero behavior should have ZERO effect on reproduction rates. After all, I would think that the other 90% of the male herd would be quite happy to take up the slack, if you know what I mean…

Are sheep not classic herd animals where one dominant male asserts himself over the others and hoards all the fertile females for himself? If that is the case, 10% ‘gay’ sheep would have no economic impact of farmers.

This is my uneducated guess. When you raise animals for a living you have to feed and care for them. In return you get a profit from the animal-whether it be food or additional livestock through mating. If the ram is not preforming then he is a drain on the farmer’s pocket book. I would guess that such animals would be euthanized.

My hubby and I used to own five acres of land. ON this land we had a hen house with 12 hens. The chickens produced eggs for our family. We had one rooster but originally we had more. We killed the roosters because they cost money to feed and gave us no eggs in return.(Plus they were mean!)

 

[goofyjim]

I see what you mean. I know homosexuals can live w/ SSA and still be in God’s grace. I guess I’m confused by what you think “inherently disordered” means.

I simply don’t accept the “inherently disordered” bit. This would imply that I would have to spend the rest of my life in therapy to overcome the disorder. Since it is not sinful, I am living the Christian life and need not bother doing that .