"scientific logic" can prove the existence of god

[Michael_of_Oz]

Im always talking to people and friends about some pretty complex things and its rather irritating because science can proove the existance of god using their flawed logic.

The big bang theory expressed by science as fact, is not fact it is a poorly thought out theory. I apologize for any unintentional blasphemy from this point forward.

In order for things to be something rather than nothing, their has to be a logical explanation and their is. It is energy and the evolved forms of it.
Everything in the universes evolved from the most basic form of anything and that is pure energy. This pure energy as a collective whole somehow gained a consciousness in a similar manner represented by the ideology of a collective consciousness. This can explain in scientific terms how atoms could have come to gain a consciousness which is the collective assembly of energy in which retain what consciousness left to us by god in the beginning.

Energy can not be destroyed, it can only be re-directed and stored. This fundamental fact of science PROOVES that energy and in its purest form, in which all things evolved from. Did not have a beginning,as it does not have an end.
We know god gave life to all things and that all things came from god, but this “scientifically” proved fact or law about energy, logically expresses the reasoning of an entity in which is not just immortal, but the first being whom could possibly existed.

I do not believe that i’ve contradicted anything in the bible so far so allow me to continue haha.
The Soul also, can be proven to exist by logic in a similar manner, given that the purest form of energy in which everything evolved from was and is god, this means that the supreme lord god , also continued to evolve in one manner or another, allowing its almighty knowledge to grow along side with its body in which is the universe.
Though the flaw with this in the eyes of an atheist is that how can the universe be created from , a united form of pure energy,god.
This is where things begin to become dangerous territory because theirs many speculations as to how god formed the rest of the universe.
Some say that Almighty god “inverted” itself through transcendence and created the first cycle in which lead to the birth of the universe through the destruction and rebirth and evolution of its body. In a very similer manner to how our lord Jesus sacrificed himself, evovled further and breached the inter-dimensional gap and not only opening the gates of heaven on earth, but projecting his own spirit as an incarnation of god into the heavens.

Their is also another theory as to how god came to evolve into the rest of the universe and it is as followed, Some people think that: God as an all knowing entity existing as everything and still growing and evolving realized that that without experiencing death its knowledge could not be complete and as a mass of pure consciousness and thought, god then followed to “sacrifice” itself as jesus did. Some old people suggest that god self detonated itself as to experience death and to further evolve. Its body in which was its conscious and was pure energy upon the reaction of something within itself evolved into the first 3 forms of matter. The true devil whom resided within the lower dimensions (hell) , God whom resided within the highest dimensions(heaven) and within the void where we reside from the energy in which was gods body, the basic building blocks of life where formed and evolved from energy over eons.
The one true God though now evolving in a different form , consists of everything.

This is a crudely written theory in which i’v said a few times now of hand and this wasn’t written well this time so i do apologize for any fallacies, but to summarize the very and most important parts of such and the things that matter the most:
Everything evolved from the most basic form of anything, pure energy, this was god, as energy can not be destroyed it can only be re-directed and stored, and thus, can not have been created or born as it can not perish, pure energy is indestructible and this is essentially what god is and how one can prove the existence of one true Lord god.
And again i apologize lord for any unintentional blasphemy.

 

[anruari]

Everything evolved from the most basic form of anything, pure energy, this was god, as energy can not be destroyed it can only be re-directed and stored, and thus, can not have been created or born as it can not perish, pure energy is indestructible and this is essentially what god is and how one can prove the existence of one true Lord god.
And again i apologize lord for any unintentional blasphemy.

Interesting idea, but it’s unfortunately fundamentally flawed, and more in keeping with eastern mysticism than Catholic Theology.

Energy is a part of our Universe.
God created the Universe. He exists independently of the Universe.

God is Outside Time, He is unchanging. He Is knowledge. Time is simply one of the dimensions of our universe. God is not bounded by it any more than you are bounded by the 2 dimensions of the table on which you have placed a board game. God does not evolve.

A better piece of evidence: Nothing comes from nothing. The universe (assuming the big bang theory is even partly right) had a moment of creation. it came into being out of nothing. That is not possible. Therefore something caused it to come into being. That something is outside the universe. Time is part of our universe therefore that something is outside time. That something is therefore “God”

This logic brings “Deism” but not “Theism” as te most logically consistant understanding of the world in which we live.

Take a look here:

strangenotions.com/god-exists/

 

[Steveabrous]

I find it amazing that these atheist claim science as their own and say “look at science it says there is no God”. Yet almost every major scientific discovery was made by a christian The big bang was thought up by a monk as was genetics, Newton, pasteur, Capernicus, Galileo. none of them lost Faith. yet they made all the major dicoveries.

 

[ProdglArchitect]

I find it amazing that these atheist claim science as their own and say “look at science it says there is no God”. Yet almost every major scientific discovery was made by a christian The big bang was thought up by a monk as was genetics, Newton, pasteur, Capernicus, Galileo. none of them lost Faith. yet they made all the major dicoveries.

It’s my understanding that Galileo tried to use his theory to disprove God. Other than that, spot on.

 

[inocente]

It’s my understanding that Galileo tried to use his theory to disprove God. Other than that, spot on.

Nope.
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“Galileo had already written several essays on the interpretation of the bible in which he essentially said that the bible was written to teach us how to go to heaven and not how the heavens go. In these documents he essentially anticipated by about 400 years what the Catholic Church would teach about the interpretation of the bible, but he did so privately” - vaticanobservatory.org/index.php/en/history-of-astronomy/197-the-galileo-affair*

 

[Linusthe2nd]

Im always talking to people and friends about some pretty complex things and its rather irritating because science can proove the existance of god using their flawed logic.

The big bang theory expressed by science as fact, is not fact it is a poorly thought out theory. I apologize for any unintentional blasphemy from this point forward.

In order for things to be something rather than nothing, their has to be a logical explanation and their is. It is energy and the evolved forms of it.
Everything in the universes evolved from the most basic form of anything and that is pure energy. This pure energy as a collective whole somehow gained a consciousness in a similar manner represented by the ideology of a collective consciousness. This can explain in scientific terms how atoms could have come to gain a consciousness which is the collective assembly of energy in which retain what consciousness left to us by god in the beginning.

Energy can not be destroyed, it can only be re-directed and stored. This fundamental fact of science PROOVES that energy and in its purest form, in which all things evolved from. Did not have a beginning,as it does not have an end.
We know god gave life to all things and that all things came from god, but this “scientifically” proved fact or law about energy, logically expresses the reasoning of an entity in which is not just immortal, but the first being whom could possibly existed.

I do not believe that i’ve contradicted anything in the bible so far so allow me to continue haha.
The Soul also, can be proven to exist by logic in a similar manner, given that the purest form of energy in which everything evolved from was and is god, this means that the supreme lord god , also continued to evolve in one manner or another, allowing its almighty knowledge to grow along side with its body in which is the universe.
Though the flaw with this in the eyes of an atheist is that how can the universe be created from , a united form of pure energy,god.
This is where things begin to become dangerous territory because theirs many speculations as to how god formed the rest of the universe.
Some say that Almighty god “inverted” itself through transcendence and created the first cycle in which lead to the birth of the universe through the destruction and rebirth and evolution of its body. In a very similer manner to how our lord Jesus sacrificed himself, evovled further and breached the inter-dimensional gap and not only opening the gates of heaven on earth, but projecting his own spirit as an incarnation of god into the heavens.

Their is also another theory as to how god came to evolve into the rest of the universe and it is as followed, Some people think that: God as an all knowing entity existing as everything and still growing and evolving realized that that without experiencing death its knowledge could not be complete and as a mass of pure consciousness and thought, god then followed to “sacrifice” itself as jesus did. Some old people suggest that god self detonated itself as to experience death and to further evolve. Its body in which was its conscious and was pure energy upon the reaction of something within itself evolved into the first 3 forms of matter. The true devil whom resided within the lower dimensions (hell) , God whom resided within the highest dimensions(heaven) and within the void where we reside from the energy in which was gods body, the basic building blocks of life where formed and evolved from energy over eons.
The one true God though now evolving in a different form , consists of everything.

This is a crudely written theory in which i’v said a few times now of hand and this wasn’t written well this time so i do apologize for any fallacies, but to summarize the very and most important parts of such and the things that matter the most:
Everything evolved from the most basic form of anything, pure energy, this was god, as energy can not be destroyed it can only be re-directed and stored, and thus, can not have been created or born as it can not perish, pure energy is indestructible and this is essentially what god is and how one can prove the existence of one true Lord god.
And again i apologize lord for any unintentional blasphemy.

I suggest you take a look at these two sites.

magisreasonfaith.org/

newadvent.org/summa/1002.htm#article3

Then I suggest you reformulate your O.P. so the reader can understand what you think is true and what your friends think is true. Right now it is hard to tell which is which.

Linus2nd

 

[Lasting_faith]

God is not science. God is God, and we simply don’t have all answers, and that is what He want. One day we have them, but if knowing them now are most likely not usefull for us.

Why oh why is there always someone who trade science for faith. How hard is it to admit that there are things we can not explain. Faith is not a “thing”! Faith is a life leaning on God. We can’t see Him, but we can see what He did, and do. If that is not enough, nothing is!

Logic? Two trains speeding toward each other on the same rail will end in a disaster. That is logic. Someone who give His own Son to die for us and our measly soul full of sin is not logic, it is love and forgiveness. Do we need logic? Sure, but not when we are talking about faith, God and The Holy Trinity!

 

[Linux]

Logic? Two trains speeding toward each other on the same rail will end in a disaster. That is logic. Someone who give His own Son to die for us and our measly soul full of sin is not logic, it is love and forgiveness. Do we need logic? Sure, but not when we are talking about faith, God and The Holy Trinity!

Wrong. You are not talking about a real being if it is not logical.

 

[Michael_of_Oz]

My response is apparently to big and must be posted over 3 posts … >.>

Logic,faith and science first and foremost are all one and the same, their is not difference between any of it, they are all different aspects of god, given to us to comfort those whom need it,given as a give do those whom are deserving and above all given to us for a reason. Their are few whom can articulate the divine and maticulus aspects of creation in which are left out on purpose by god within the holy scriptures and it is because most are not allowed to wield such a sword.(matthew:10:34). Because knowledge is power, it is dangourous in the wrongs hands, and it is why often it is withheld to the masses with fear of its abuse.

I feel i must type out a small aspect or facet of information in which god has given me now and it is by such a feeling that i do so…

My faith is unquestionable, at least in my eyes, though as i said that was a very crude theorisation of a concept in which has existed in different forms like , god , since the beginning of time.
It is logical to believe god can evolve, because the entirety of reality can also evolve and seeing as we are simply part of god, that is logic and reason enough to believe that god is still learning more knowledge through the actions brought forth him it by thou and is still evolving beyond the understanding of men.

It was gods son, and a true incarnation of god itself whom sacrificed himself his spirit and his son, whom aloud us salvation should we prove yourself rightioss before his scales, so above all one must follow the laws set by god directly, what you are suggesting is the very question of things put forth to us by god. If their is knowledge in which can further strengthen ones faith and knowledge of the spirit and it is gifted to you by god, whom are you to refuse such things…
Logic is nothing other than a finger of god used to allow strength to grow within the week where those whom have disregarded faith my lean upon. And i agree that faith is all that is needed to serve god. Though god gives gifts of many magnitudes to people so that they may serve his spectrum of needs, the archangels and all the seraphim and all their methods of service, are only done so in the name of god.

Scientific logic, is by no means different to the aspects of the true word of god, because of the true word of god simply articulates the very methods and aspects of god’s deeds in which do not build the foundations of faith, they strengthen it. The same can be said about the Gnostic knowledge of the spirit and all that god also has blessed us with, because again the logic imbued in those whom can articulate the divine aspects of the spirit and god, in which where left out of holy scripture, is done so by the very conducting of god. If not such things could have never been put into the faithful to begin with…

In the pit of pain where purgatory is the the haven for the lost, many face traps of men materialized by us all in the hands of god, and used to purify are thus, so that it is known to all of creation those whom serve the lord with righteousness. Delivered are many to the waves which hail from the depths of the abyss where darkness reigns, though the tongue of the lord can penetrate even substances more dense than diamond. No truth holds more power than the first, as within its composition is not only all things, but all that could ever be or will be, thus those able to articulate such arcanums must attempt such , in service of our lord god and hope for the redemption of all of mankind. Many may descend into darkness as their nature intends so, as many may ascend into light. Though these two equations as the wise know are one in the same. Ones goal must only be to relieve the weight of the world from their shoulders as the burdens of the mind are the tethers to the planes in which give this reality its energy. If one accomplishes the liberation of the spirit, freedom shall know a new definition as re-unification with god will be completed , as through the transcendence upon death thou will pass through the gates leading to the almighty. Only those within direct service to the lord will be allowed this gift. For the attainment of the divine knowledge needed to surpass such a test will prove oneself worthy and rightioss enough to undertake the most arcane service in the name of the lord.

 

[Michael_of_Oz]

As the almighty god and giver of all things teaches us from the first true doctrine, formless teachings echo throughout creation, louder than the self destruction of sinners, though remember now, that only those whom have cut of their mortal ears and can no longer hear the call of the devil can hear the formless and almighty teachings of god without obscurity. The motion of the supreme is no less than the very driving force or wave, in which all things react upon, as if a bird in the air currents of life is being directed by nature itself and in turn all other things.
So should ones nature be subdued through penance and only the weightless pure aspects of your spirit remains, ye who refines their mind will be projected by the wings of the almighty father into the planes and realms in accordance to their composition of your original energy in which is pure to the composition in which it has naturally evolved. It is the most insignificant perception or ideal in the eyes of the materialistic in which prevents knowledge from beings known.
This material view is simply the accepted perception accepted as reality in which many fail to correctly remove their their own perception, in which creates the illusion only in the eyes known as reality. Existence is unchanging because of the nature of energy. Because energy can not be destroyed , only red-directed, all things in which make up pure energy , and retains such a composition , will and can only be refereed to as flawless in the eyes of god, thus one must give up all worldly possessions and take up the cross. This is simply a perception of the almighty lord god, in which formed the entire of creation from the evolutionary, pure energy , in which we all where created from. Everything par none where created from the most basic form of anything and that is simply pure energy without any additions to its internal or external composition. Dark matter may have an internal composition as a dimensionless form of energy, though it to is a result of a form of pure energy in a reaction with space and time. Though the division or internal transcendence through the infinite fractures of infinity may result in the active perception or projection to or through anything should pure energy maintain a collective consciousness, as it reacts with space time with or without a body. As this may happen, knowledge of ones parameters and true composition shall be inherited from the now unburdened perception in which is known to material bodies and all within them. This may be the movements of the most greatest of arcanums or a facet of such a undefinable magnum opus, lord god, whos hand can be used in such a manner to actively effect out world. The gradual collection of pure energy in which logically exists because of the evolutionary fact of science in which proves that everything evolved from something, in some form and logically the most basic and flawlessly simple thing, has to be pure energy. Pure energy can not be destroyed, thus it could not have been born, given that it has no end and thus no beginning, this is god.
As an army of ants moves in one direction because of the collective gathered and agreed upon ideals of thoughts, a collective bod of energy is formed because of the similar wavelengths and compositions of energy in which occupies an ant or ants. This collective consciousness is similar to the gradual evolution of pure consciousness in which would have been imbued within the first form of pure energy within creation. This therefor can be compounded by the logical concept where a collective consciousness can be formed from atoms, in which forms the current mindset in which reacts to separate stimuli and in which all consciously thought making beings rely upon. This mindset could make up a soul because of the biochemical links between the energy encased atoms joined and lined together because of the reactions of internal and external protons and electrons reacting with the similar energy in which resides within the nucleolus.
Thus a soul or consciousness can form from the basis of the properties of energy in which is in all things and has been evolving from the beginning of creation and even from, in some way, from the original source of all things, god. This could have been how god formed a consciousness and thus imparted such a give to humans.

Energy can only be re-directed and stored, it can not be created,born or destroyed. This scientifically proved principle, proves the existence of a form of energy in which was never been born, can never perish and has existed since the begging of time. Therefore one could assume safely that as all things can evolve, so could have the first formed adaptations to its internal and external construct because of its flawless composition of dimensionless pure energy. This definition of the possible divine, through the logical expression of the nature of energy, proves existence of the almighty lord god in which, could because of its transcending nature, encompass all things in different forms and states of evolution within its own, arcane and undefinable pure and formless being. Praise be to god.
Be gracious to the lord, for we may only exist because of the nature of evolution in which revolves upon the cycles upon the laws of known and unknown realities, in which god created through its own divinely merciful actions between the creation of time and itself in which gave birth to the first and orignal concept of the Ouroboros and in turn all things.

 

[Michael_of_Oz]

This inverting action of all the possible forms of transcending yoga is mirrored out form the lord god, and incarnated as the final and perfect state of the spirit, in which many philosophers and religions teach as the migration through the gates of heaven or the evolution of the divine within different forms. The origin of our own individual souls may have formed from the first in an infinite number of different ways, like the origin of almighty god, that which is or encompasses the methods of the greatest of beings can not be contemplated upon in these realms or material vessels because of the limited knowledge able to be stored upon these forms of pure energy, in which make up in turn, our bodies. Such things are forbidden to men for the safty of us all.
The only relevant perception or thoughts within this reality are the known forms in which create the knowledge formed from information , in which eventually direct one into the pure hand and service of god. Though for this one must be weightless and free from all contamination, so that upon this arcane re-connection with the supreme through the transcending projection of our mindless and flawless energy, done so by the harvesting of souls by angels, we may be transformed from spirit and be molded purely by our lord god, into a formless and imperishable form in which allows one to become part of the true kindom of heaven.

This is raw knowledge
It can take the form of multiple perceptions or apply to virtually anything, though even then it is the same thing but in different forms. it has never changed nor can it ever. It is only different in the eyes of those whom create illusions themselves through the harboring of false truths.The evolution of such is the incorporation of new information together in which forges such into the existence of previous knowledge, this process of evolution is determined by perceptions created in the eyes of those whom view the one and only original truth in which harbors all knowledge. Raw knowledge is formless and thus can take any form, though their is only one truth in which governs all things and as such is all things and that is only the first truth in which all things evolved from. Glory be to the father son and holy spirit as it was in the begging, is now and ever shall be world without end, amen.

 

[Beryllos]

Physicists understand energy very well. It is a thing of this universe. Together with matter and space and time, it follows natural laws. What you call “energy” is something else, I am not sure what. What you call “God” sounds like some sort of super-being which, though very powerful, still exists within the framework of space and time, and therefore is constrained by the natural laws which govern the universe. God is much greater than that. Infinitely greater.

Here are a few paragraphs about creation from the Catechism of the Catholic Church. I think you may like to read Paragraph 285 in particular, which briefly addresses different philosophies about creation.

283 The question about the origins of the world and of man has been the object of many scientific studies which have splendidly enriched our knowledge of the age and dimensions of the cosmos, the development of life-forms and the appearance of man. These discoveries invite us to even greater admiration for the greatness of the Creator, prompting us to give him thanks for all his works and for the understanding and wisdom he gives to scholars and researchers. With Solomon they can say: “It is he who gave me unerring knowledge of what exists, to know the structure of the world and the activity of the elements… for wisdom, the fashioner of all things, taught me.” Wisdom 7:17-22

284 The great interest accorded to these studies is strongly stimulated by a question of another order, which goes beyond the proper domain of the natural sciences. It is not only a question of knowing when and how the universe arose physically, or when man appeared, but rather of discovering the meaning of such an origin: is the universe governed by chance, blind fate, anonymous necessity, or by a transcendent, intelligent and good Being called “God”? And if the world does come from God’s wisdom and goodness, why is there evil? Where does it come from? Who is responsible for it? Is there any liberation from it?

285 Since the beginning the Christian faith has been challenged by responses to the question of origins that differ from its own. Ancient religions and cultures produced many myths concerning origins. Some philosophers have said that everything is God, that the world is God, or that the development of the world is the development of God (Pantheism). Others have said that the world is a necessary emanation arising from God and returning to him. Still others have affirmed the existence of two eternal principles, Good and Evil, Light and Darkness, locked in permanent conflict (Dualism, Manichaeism). According to some of these conceptions, the world (at least the physical world) is evil, the product of a fall, and is thus to be rejected or left behind (Gnosticism). Some admit that the world was made by God, but as by a watchmaker who, once he has made a watch, abandons it to itself (Deism). Finally, others reject any transcendent origin for the world, but see it as merely the interplay of matter that has always existed (Materialism). All these attempts bear witness to the permanence and universality of the question of origins. This inquiry is distinctively human.

286 Human intelligence is surely already capable of finding a response to the question of origins. The existence of God the Creator can be known with certainty through his works, by the light of human reason, even if this knowledge is often obscured and disfigured by error. This is why faith comes to confirm and enlighten reason in the correct understanding of this truth: “By faith we understand that the world was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was made out of things which do not appear.” Hebrews 11:3

I should add this one too, on the compatibility of faith and science:

159 Faith and science: “Though faith is above reason, there can never be any real discrepancy between faith and reason. Since the same God who reveals mysteries and infuses faith has bestowed the light of reason on the human mind, God cannot deny himself, nor can truth ever contradict truth.” “Consequently, methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things of faith derive from the same God. The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are.”

May the Holy Spirit, whom Jesus called the Spirit of truth, bless you in your investigations.

 

[Beryllos]

My response is apparently to big and must be posted over 3 posts …

You write faster than I read! My post above is based on your original post. I will read your follow-up posts later. Got to go.

 

[Linusthe2nd]

This inverting action of all the possible forms of transcending yoga is mirrored out form the lord god, and incarnated as the final and perfect state of the spirit, in which many philosophers and religions teach as the migration through the gates of heaven or the evolution of the divine within different forms. The origin of our own individual souls may have formed from the first in an infinite number of different ways, like the origin of almighty god, that which is or encompasses the methods of the greatest of beings can not be contemplated upon in these realms or material vessels because of the limited knowledge able to be stored upon these forms of pure energy, in which make up in turn, our bodies. Such things are forbidden to men for the safty of us all.
The only relevant perception or thoughts within this reality are the known forms in which create the knowledge formed from information , in which eventually direct one into the pure hand and service of god. Though for this one must be weightless and free from all contamination, so that upon this arcane re-connection with the supreme through the transcending projection of our mindless and flawless energy, done so by the harvesting of souls by angels, we may be transformed from spirit and be molded purely by our lord god, into a formless and imperishable form in which allows one to become part of the true kindom of heaven.

This is raw knowledge
It can take the form of multiple perceptions or apply to virtually anything, though even then it is the same thing but in different forms. it has never changed nor can it ever. It is only different in the eyes of those whom create illusions themselves through the harboring of false truths.The evolution of such is the incorporation of new information together in which forges such into the existence of previous knowledge, this process of evolution is determined by perceptions created in the eyes of those whom view the one and only original truth in which harbors all knowledge. Raw knowledge is formless and thus can take any form, though their is only one truth in which governs all things and as such is all things and that is only the first truth in which all things evolved from. Glory be to the father son and holy spirit as it was in the begging, is now and ever shall be world without end, amen.

I don’t really want to be uncharitable but your ideas are very confused. I suggest you stop trying to be a " philosopher " and just live a good Catholic life. Give up all this introspection and just stick to the Faith, plain and simple. All you need is the Catechism of the Catholic Church and a good bible and daily Mass if possible. For the rest, say your prayers and work hard at whatever you do to make a living. But give up all this " intellectual " stuff. It is confusing you and you cannot explain it very well. Just drop it.

Linus2nd

 

[Linux]

I don’t really want to be uncharitable but your ideas are very confused. I suggest you stop trying to be a " philosopher " and just live a good Catholic life. Give up all this introspection and just stick to the Faith, plain and simple. All you need is the Catechism of the Catholic Church and a good bible and daily Mass if possible. For the rest, say your prayers and work hard at whatever you do to make a living. But give up all this " intellectual " stuff. It is confusing you and you cannot explain it very well. Just drop it.

Linus2nd

I don’t think you have a right to tell people to stop philosophising. Error in our rational processes is just a natural part of man’s intellectual development, so long as we learn from our mistakes. Who do you think you are? You are free to say that his thoughts are not in line with Catholic teaching and you can give your reasons why you think that. Otherwise, the philosophy forum is not the right place for you.

Better to be in honest error than to have a wilfully blind faith that discourages questioning and “intellectual stuff”.

 

[Lasting_faith]

Wrong. You are not talking about a real being if it is not logical.

If that ain’t logic then what is?

You can not by using logic prove that God is real because it is above our understanding and because we don’t need to. Faith is to be able to trust in something we can’t see. So the “logic” is that we have faith in God because He is everywhere. It is impossible for any human to make things God has. Even the smallest particle is beyond our skill to build. So if we can’t manufacture a single atom there is only one possibility left, and that is God.

Thru out centuries people have try to prove that God is pure fiction and that we who believe in something they don’t, we must be wrong. Well, this may come as a surprise to you, but what you simply don’t know/or understand, is not a lie. It is simply lack of knowledge.

Faith is not about who is right or wrong. Faith is about God.

 

[polytropos]

Often, the “layman” atheist’s claim that science disproves God is based on the assumption that “God” (as an anthropologically explicable, imagined concept) is no longer “necessary” because science explains things (or could explain things) alternatively. This view misunderstands the extent of science and its conclusions and already presupposes that all religions are culturally contingent and mythological.

 

[Linux]

If that ain’t logic then what is?

You cannot by using logic prove that God is real because it is above our understanding

So i take it that you’re not Catholic. The last time I checked its a catholic dogma that Gods existence can be known by the light of human reason alone.

Also I was not talking about whether or not God can be proven by logic. I was saying that Gods existence is not something that transcends logic. All being is logical.

 

[Lasting_faith]

So i take it that you’re not Catholic. The last time I checked its a catholic dogma that Gods existence can be known by the light of human reason alone.

Also I was not talking about whether or not God can be proven by logic. I was saying that Gods existence is not something that transcends logic. All being is logical.

Actually, my friend, I am 100% Catholic.

To try to understand God using science is impossible, and the logic in that is that we have no need to do so. God is not fiction, He is 100% truth.

I also understand your way of thinking, to put is short, “what I don’t understand must be false and a huge lie”.

Logic is a word we use to reason a situation and find a solution to it. You don’t seem to know that word well enough for a debate, I would like to add. So let me give one more example considering the meaning of the word “logic”. A house have a broken window and the shardes of glass are outside. The logic reason is that the window was broken from inside the house. You can not say that that is not a logic solution. And about God. Can you, or anyone, make a tree? Or a fish, or a human being? Guess not. So who can? God can. Hence it is logical to say that God do exist because that is most likely answer. But we don’t need to prove that God exsist. The need to not is called faith. All we see don’t need to be scrutinized, all we must do is to believe. And just because you don’t believe, as I have gathered from your post, we who have faith has the right to it. If it is twaddle for you that is your problem, not mine. And if we need evidence, well, we have The Bible even though it is a book of nonsense for you.

 

[FrancisBenedict]

God exists so science should in theory be able to prove it.

But I think it’s a bit like someone who was born and only lived in one room without windows trying to prove the rest of the world outside exists!

All the wonders of the world discovered by science are part of the proof God exists anyway.Take even just one leaf…