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I opened the link and followed the Scientology trail. It is pretty scary stuff. Lisa Mc Pherson being a case in point. She had in her bank account $150,000,150. The articles and links suggest alleged ‘Church’ of Scientology took $150,000 leaving her $150, the she was taken into the care of a Scientology medical team and was soon after found dead, having died from malnutrician and mistreatment. Some care.
kellie, I’m fully aware of the current practice of the Catholic and Orhtodox Churches on the Mass/Divine Liturgy. What I am referring to, and what was mentioned twice when I discussed this, is that in ancient times(and this was at a time when daily masses/divine liturgies were not offered. they aren’t even offered in the Orthodox Church today), catechumens were not allowed to see or partake in the Liturgy of the Eucharist b/c they were not, if you can say, “initiated”. It is a similar concept to Scientology.
The Church of Scientology copyrights all of its religious symbols, technologies, and scriptures. This is to prevent the misuse and changing of our important documents. There have been many splinter groups from Scientology, typically called the “Freezone”, which have changed the original writings and technologies, and claimed them as “Scientology”. We believe that changing the essential parts of a religion makes it a completely different religion. The debate is not necessarily with copyrighting, but with the illegal use of certain parts of Scientology scripture, more specifically the “secret” Operating Thetan levels. When people take these documents and illegally distribute them, the Church takes action, b/c this violates the sacred nature that we ascribe to these documents. We don’t violate other people’s religious beliefs and practices, so why do that to us?And, if you wouldn’t mind…could you explain the copyright debate to me (I have never met a scientologist…sorry…but TAG…you’re it
If most of your beliefs are hidden behind copyright laws, then how can you explain them? Like Xenu?
Thanks.
Yes, and Catholics worship Mary, pray to statues, attribute special status to a man, believe in apparitions of dead people, etc., and they wonder why some people classify them as cultsThe JW’s have done the same thing regarding copyright on their materials.
Then, they wonder why people classify them as cults.
…I’m not sure how we get that $150,000,150-$150,000=$150…I opened the link and followed the Scientology trail. It is pretty scary stuff. Lisa Mc Pherson being a case in point. She had in her bank account $150,000,150. The articles and links suggest alleged ‘Church’ of Scientology took $150,000 leaving her $150, the she was taken into the care of a Scientology medical team and was soon after found dead, having died from malnutrician and mistreatment. Some care.
I have taken the article at face value. It is pretty scary stuff.
Cos vs. Fishman papers
I feel like I’ve discussed this many a time on this thread. I’ve seen every single video on Xenu TV, read the entire Operation Clambake site, seen the Fishman papers, etc. As I said before, the interesting thing about the Fishman papers is that he had the supposed “secret” information on the OT levels of Scientology. Yet the supposed OT VIII papers were thrown out as not being real or somewhat real. The Church did not sue over those papers. However, our position, as stated before, is that those other papers were altered and presented as the actual documents, when they only had partial truths(of which I cannot discuss). Why would I trust someone who already lied about part of his evidence presentation?
There is a difference though - the catechumens would leave during the Liturgy of the Eucharist, not during the Liturgy of the Word. The latter is where the reading of Sacred Scripture is done, as well as teaching on it by the priest, so if any beliefs or writings of Christianity were being kept secret from catechumens, this is the part of the Mass that they would not have been able to attend. The reason they left during the LIturgy of the Eucharist was to go and receive lessons on the Faith to learn MORE, not less about it during this time, since the LIturgy of the Eucharist follows a pretty standard formula (only a few of the prayers change from day to day) and they would already have been taught about what happens during this LIturgy. Since they couldn’t receive the Eucharist anyway until they were baptized, it made more sense to spend this Liturgy teaching them about the Faith. In Catholicism there are restrictions on who can receive Communion, but all information is free and accessible - no “secret” material here.
All of our beliefs are out in the open ad explained by Catholics (until we’re blue in the face sometimes). If someone chooses to believe that we believe something other than what we’re saying, then that’s their problem.Yes, and Catholics worship Mary, pray to statues, attribute special status to a man, believe in apparitions of dead people, etc., and they wonder why some people classify them as cults
Please refrain from calling us a cult, b/c we are not, and I’m sure you wouldn’t like it if your beliefs were misrepresented to categorize your religion as a cult.
Was does “…the supposed OT VIII papers were thrown out as not being real or somewhat real” mean?
Go for it…!
i ia oe. Aloha nui.thank you for your views. I agree. Scientology is definitely different on this view, though it is a slightly similar ancient practice of Christianity of no divulging everything at the beginning.
Let’s see,… wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, and I don’t know how to qualify “etc”.Yes, and Catholics worship Mary, pray to statues, attribute special status to a man, believe in apparitions of dead people, etc., and they wonder why some people classify them as cults
You can categorize my religion as anything you like.
K, if you read more about the Fishman Affidavit, you will see that he presented the supposed information from Church documents on the 8 Operating Thetan levels. He threw out the 8th level documents, and the Church did not sue over that one, because it did not contain any copyrighted information. The other documents did contain copyrighted information, however it was not the entire amount of such information contained on the respective levels. However, anti and ex Scientologists like to claim that the Xenu story is central to the Church of Scientology when it definitely is not.Was does “…the supposed OT VIII papers were thrown out as not being real or somewhat real” mean?
Somewhat real?
You folks are funny…
Go for it…!
I’m not interested in what you say about yourselves. The weight of info about the “weirdness” of the CoS is what it is.
Huge.
Have fun with your fascinating little gnostic sect.
Still prayin’ for 'ya…!
Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaikai iaoe. Aloha nui.
I’d say that it is possible to be Catholic and practice “Dianetics”, which is the first part of Scientology. This concerns the mind, and other related ideas. However, once you go into the part of the religion called “Scientology”, you will deal with things like past lives, which many deem incompatible with Christianity. Scientology’s view is that you don’t have to renounce your religion, but the other religion might view that you have to.
K, please see my above response. I KNOW that those are not the beliefs of the Catholic Church. I’ve researched it extensively. Religion is one of my favorite topics. My point is that this is what anti and ex-Catholics WANT you to believe, therefore if I went to such websites to learn about Catholicism, this is what I’d learn. The VAST majority of Scientology beliefs are publicized, and you can learn about the core beliefs freely. Start with the book What is Scientology? It is an introductory book that is 655 pages of information. It includes such things as:Let’s see,… wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, and I don’t know how to qualify “etc”.
Catholic doctrine is freely publicized.
CoS “Double Super Secret Dangerous to Handle” information is, for the reason that it’s secret because it’s dangerous, most likely, not freely publicized.
That seems sensible on your part, actually.
I applaud you on your keeping dangerously harmful secrets from hurting people.
But of course, that’s the whole point of a gnostic sect. Selling the “powerful” SECRETS for money, and maintaining the “neopytes” as slaves, for their use by the Upper Classmen.
Nothing new to see here. You guys are just like the gnostics of old.
You can categorize my religion as anything you like.
Do you classify my religion (Catholic) as a cult?
If I chose to classify your religion as a cult, will you, simply as a retort, call mine a cult?
That would be a bit “childish” wouldn’t it?
So,… firstly, do you call the Catholic Church a cult?
Secondly, why do you care if I classify your religion as a cult?
Sometimes cults can be fun. Like the cult of “let’s go down to the pub at 6 and be silly” instituted by Bob and Cuthbert from Dilling Street South (apt#'s 106 and 259).
If your cult helps you accomplish things in your life, go for it.
Ifyour cult has a BAD reputation in various aspects of existing within a free society, deal with it.
I have seen NOTHING but simple denials by CoS cultists that the CoS is not a cult.
Convince me, dearheart…!