Scott Hahn

[Didi]

Well stated, Gabriel of 12!

I credit Scott Hahn’s conversion story and his teaching on the Lamb’s Supper, or the Fourth Cup for keeping me in the Catholic Church at a time that I was doubting.

Sometimes it takes the zeal of a convert to keep us cradle Catholics in the Church!

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

I credit Scott Hahn’s conversion story and his teaching on the Lamb’s Supper, or the Fourth Cup for keeping me in the Catholic Church at a time that I was doubting.

Sometimes it takes the zeal of a convert to keep us cradle Catholics in the Church!

Gabriel of 12;

God calls his sheep by name, and his sheep hear his voice. The Father knows always what is best for his sheep.

Thank you and God keep you always

 

[kalt]

I believe this is called “pastoral care” LOL. “Blackening the deviationist” is a game played in the USSR too. One expects better of so-called Christians.​

I notice that there is no love lost for former Catholics/Protestants:​

• FCs: always insincere, never have a good reason to leave, at best ignorant of Catholicism while Catholic, could not have been real Catholics in the first place
• FPs: always insincere, never have a good reason to leave, at best ignorant of Protestantism while Protestant, could not have been real Protestants in the first place
• Converts to Catholicism: absolutely wonderful in every way (from Catholic POV)
• Converts to Protestantism: absolutely wonderful in every way (from Protestant POV)

No wonder there are atheists, when this is how the adherents of the “religion of love” behave.

Yep. There is no propoganda quite so good as a converted “enemy”.

 

[kalt]

Well stated, Gabriel of 12!

I credit Scott Hahn’s conversion story and his teaching on the Lamb’s Supper, or the Fourth Cup for keeping me in the Catholic Church at a time that I was doubting.

Sometimes it takes the zeal of a convert to keep us cradle Catholics in the Church!

I’m impressed with how much he knows about the faith. He didn’t convert for social reasons (a marriage, the church is powerful in his area, etc). He joined because he studied. And he knows far more than the average Catholic who studies the religion.

Still, he shouldn’t be treated like a celebrity. IMO, that’s hollywood nonsense. I bought the hardcover book for $5 and thought it a great bargain. I noticed the signature only after I had the book home. It certainly wouldn’t have sold me on the book.

I read Rome Sweet Home (pain full price for that one) a few years ago–I think it was that long ago–and so I’m looking forward to reading this one.

Do any of you have other favorite Catholic authors? Is there such a thing as Catholic fiction? If there is, is it all about religion? I would like to read fiction that has Catholic characters, but that isn’t necessarily about Catholicism.

 

[Peter_J]

That would be very foolish, but all too human ​

It certainly seems that a good number do - The celebrity culture is something to avoid like the plague.​

It quite agree with you, Gottle. It’s really very sad the he’s been “celebritized” (especially because he really does have a lot of good qualities).

I remember a flyer I saw years ago for a talk by Dr. Hahn. One phrase particularly caught my attention: “the most dramatic conversion story of all time”. I would like to have been present at the planning meeting for that flyer. I can just imagine one person saying “We need something really, really powerful. And catchy. How about ‘the most dramatic conversion story since Saint Paul’?”, and then someone else saying “Saint who?”

 

[Peter_J]

Is there such a thing as Catholic fiction?

Definitely. Three names that come to mind are Bud Macfarlane Jr., Michael D. O’Brien, and Joseph Girzone.

Each of them has their die-hard fans – let’s just hope a fan war doesn’t break out on this thread.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

I’m impressed with how much he knows about the faith. He didn’t convert for social reasons (a marriage, the church is powerful in his area, etc). He joined because he studied. And he knows far more than the average Catholic who studies the religion.

Still, he shouldn’t be treated like a celebrity. IMO, that’s hollywood nonsense. I bought the hardcover book for $5 and thought it a great bargain. I noticed the signature only after I had the book home. It certainly wouldn’t have sold me on the book.

I read Rome Sweet Home (pain full price for that one) a few years ago–I think it was that long ago–and so I’m looking forward to reading this one.

Do any of you have other favorite Catholic authors? Is there such a thing as Catholic fiction? If there is, is it all about religion? I would like to read fiction that has Catholic characters, but that isn’t necessarily about Catholicism.

I only read Catholic books because there lies the truth within.

Try reading Anne Catherine Emmerick’s book “The Passion Of Our Lord, Jesus Christ”. I gave this to a girl who was into Wicca, and she converted to Catholicism after she read this book. It is a very powerful book about Anne Catherine Emmerick, experiencing the excruciating pains of the Passion of Our Lord. Very detailed about His death. She had the Stigmata in the meantime.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

It quite agree with you, Gottle. It’s really very sad the he’s been “celebritized” (especially because he really does have a lot of good qualities).

I remember a flyer I saw years ago for a talk by Dr. Hahn. One phrase particularly caught my attention: “the most dramatic conversion story of all time”. I would like to have been present at the planning meeting for that flyer. I can just imagine one person saying “We need something really, really powerful. And catchy. How about ‘the most dramatic conversion story since Saint Paul’?”, and then someone else saying “Saint who?”

No, he hasn’t been “celebritized” at all. It is his intelligence that scares you. He is a national AND international speaker, therefore he will be seen all around the world speaking about his journey home. Talk about celebrity’s then talk about Joel Osteen who is now a multi-gizillionaire due to his life style. Hardly compares with Dr. Hahn and his multitude of degrees. Please…

 

[dianaiad]

*]FCs: always insincere, never have a good reason to leave, at best ignorant of Catholicism while Catholic, could not have been real Catholics in the first place
*]FPs: always insincere, never have a good reason to leave, at best ignorant of Protestantism while Protestant, could not have been real Protestants in the first place
*]Converts to Catholicism: absolutely wonderful in every way (from Catholic POV)
*]Converts to Protestantism: absolutely wonderful in every way (from Protestant POV)

No wonder there are atheists, when this is how the adherents of the “religion of love” behave.

That works for ALL religions.

However, there is a grain of truth in it, too. Someone who is perfectly happy in his own faith, who strives to obey the rules of that faith, who forgives its foibles (and ALL religions have those!) and understands that human failings do not doctrinal falsity make, generally will not leave.

I said ‘generally.’ there are always exceptions, of course. However, I have found that those exceptions also tend to leave their old religion alone; they left because they found something better; they don’t think that they have to destroy their old faith to prove that they were right to leave.

In the vast majority of cases, the reasons for leaving one religion are more earthly; personal disappointment in someone else’s bad behavior, being treated unjustly, a reaction to lousy leadership (on the local level) or…and by far the most prevalent (if not the most admitted); guilt. The member is doing something against the faith rules—something he or she feels powerless to stop doing, or out of control doing–and he wants to keep doing it. So he blames the faith for his own problems, and is outa there. These folks tend to make up some of the most nastily vocal of the antis.

That’s my experience only talking, of course. However, I will bet you anything you like that if you look at the histories of anti-Catholic/anti-Protestant (WHICH Protestant sect are you talking about?) types, you will find this to be true.

 

[O.S.Luke]

No, he hasn’t been “celebritized” at all. It is his intelligence that scares you. He is a national AND international speaker, therefore he will be seen all around the world speaking about his journey home. Talk about celebrity’s then talk about Joel Osteen who is now a multi-gizillionaire due to his life style. Hardly compares with Dr. Hahn and his multitude of degrees. Please…

You seem to dislike anyone who disagrees with you, OTCA - you just quoted Peter, a Catholic, you know.

Dr. Hahn has a FEW degrees, but a multitude? From the website you plagiarized earlier:

Scott received his Bachelor of Arts degree with a triple-major in Theology, Philosophy and Economics from Grove City College, Pennsylvania in 1979, his Masters of Divinity from Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in 1982, and his Ph.D. in Biblical Theology from Marquette University in 1995.

A Ph.D from Marquette certainly isn’t shabby. Gordon-Conwell was founded by Baptists and later strongly supported by evangelicals (including Billy Graham). I don’t know much about Grove City College other than that it is a Christian liberal arts college. Seems like a solid education to me.

Three degrees is pretty typical for a professor of any discipline. I don’t know that you would call that a “multitude” though. I certainly don’t think I have a “multitude” of degrees, but I have a few. Maybe I’ll get an honorary degree one day… if I live long enough!

Dr. Hahn has certainly come a media darling of sorts. I don’t necessarily think that’s a bad thing, but there are certainly hazards when someone becomes “celebritized.” All humans have feet of clay. I think I heard Scott say that himself when I heard him lecture once.

 

[graceandglory]

Scott was an evangelical Presbyterian.

The following link is a rather old article that addresses the question you asked - be warned that it is on one of the most virulently anti-catholic websites you’ll come across:

bereanbeacon.org/articles/The_Lost_Soul_Scott_Hahn.pdf
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Oh dear, this guy you referenced is a NUT!!! I have met him. A loveable nut. He is suffering from brain trauma, which is the root cause of why he is virulently anti-Catholic, and left the priesthood in Ireland. I have been in his home. I have had correspondence with his rectory in Ireland. I would not refer anyone to his delusional website.

Lord have mercy on me.

 

[Peter_J]

you just quoted Peter, a Catholic, you know.

Well … depends whom you ask. I imagine a member of the SSPX or SSPV might not consider me “Catholic”. (But, in my defense, they don’t have a very high opinion of Benedict XVI, either. )

P.S. Although I admit I did get a kick out of …

No, he hasn’t been “celebritized” at all. It is his intelligence that scares you.

I guess that explains why I’ve been saying good things about Dr. Hahn: it’s not because I really mean them, but because I’m scared! freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared003.gif

 

[graceandglory]

Oh dear, this guy you referenced is a NUT!!! I have met him. A loveable nut. He is suffering from brain trauma, which is the root cause of why he is virulently anti-Catholic, and left the priesthood in Ireland. I have been in his home. I have had correspondence with his rectory in Ireland. I would not refer anyone to his delusional website.

Lord have mercy on me.

In light of my previous post, I find it ironically funny that he writes of Scott Hahn,
“Hahn suffered from a confused mental state.”


Now I’m concerned that this guy, like so many of the rest, are just anti-everyone,angry, bigoted, lying people out to make a buck.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

Well … depends whom you ask. I imagine a member of the SSPX or SSPV might not consider me “Catholic”. (But, in my defense, they don’t have a very high opinion of Benedict XVI, either. )

P.S. Although I admit I did get a kick out of …

I guess that explains why I’ve been saying good things about Dr. Hahn: it’s not because I really mean them, but because I’m scared! freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared003.gif

If you are Catholic, you DON"T list it as such. Why not just say Catholic (if you are) in your profile?

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

You seem to dislike anyone who disagrees with you, OTCA - you just quoted Peter, a Catholic, you know.

Dr. Hahn has a FEW degrees, but a multitude? From the website you plagiarized earlier:

A Ph.D from Marquette certainly isn’t shabby. Gordon-Conwell was founded by Baptists and later strongly supported by evangelicals (including Billy Graham). I don’t know much about Grove City College other than that it is a Christian liberal arts college. Seems like a solid education to me.

Three degrees is pretty typical for a professor of any discipline. I don’t know that you would call that a “multitude” though. I certainly don’t think I have a “multitude” of degrees, but I have a few. Maybe I’ll get an honorary degree one day… if I live long enough!

Dr. Hahn has certainly come a media darling of sorts. I don’t necessarily think that’s a bad thing, but there are certainly hazards when someone becomes “celebritized.” All humans have feet of clay. I think I heard Scott say that himself when I heard him lecture once.

How you can demoralize Dr. Hahn because he has just 3 degrees is totally ridiculous and an insult to him. Do you have a Masters in in Divinity? A triple major? A PH.D. in Biblical Theology? I think not. Until you get them, you can’t talk. An extremely intelligent man if you ask me. Unlike Osteen who is a “motivational speaker” and has nothing to back him up.

 

[O.S.Luke]

How you can demoralize Dr. Hahn because he has just 3 degrees is totally ridiculous and an insult to him. Do you have a Masters in in Divinity? A triple major? A PH.D. in Biblical Theology? I think not. Until you get them, you can’t talk. An extremely intelligent man if you ask me. Unlike Osteen who is a “motivational speaker” and has nothing to back him up.

Nowhere did I praise Joel Osteen; “Smiling Joel” is sermon candy at best, so I don’t know why you’re bringing him up with me.

You have misquoted me again (which is what you usually do to anyone here); I didn’t demoralize him or denigrate Hahn; I praised him if I recall and said that his education was solid:

A Ph.D from Marquette certainly isn’t shabby. Gordon-Conwell was founded by Baptists and later strongly supported by evangelicals (including Billy Graham). I don’t know much about Grove City College other than that it is a Christian liberal arts college. Seems like a solid education to me.

You’re full of it, OTCA - and you are mistaken. What I said is that he didn’t have a multitude of degrees, as you said.

No, I don’t have a Ph.D - I always felt called to parish work, not to teach full-time (I occasionally teach part-time at colleges or seminaries). But you are wrong in that I do have a Masters of Divinity degree (the minimum standard to be ordained in my tradition) and a Bachelor of Science degree. I had a double major in college (I started out pre-medicine). But I am the “dummy” of my family as I am the only one without a doctoral degree.

My brother has four degrees - but I don’t think he would say that he had a “multitude” of degrees either.

Now HERE’s what I would call a “multitude” of degrees:

Archbishop Desmond Tutu: University of South Africa, B.A., 1954; St. Peter’s Theological College, Johannesburg, L.Th, 1960; King’s College, London, B.D., 1965, M.Th, 1966; Doctorate of Divinity from General Theological Seminary, USA (May, 1978); Doctorate of Civil Law from Kent University, England (July 1978); Doctorate of Laws from Harvard, USA (June 1979); Doctorate of Theology from Ruhr University, Bochum (November 1981); Doctorate of Sacred Theology - Columbia University (Aug 1982); Doctorate of Humane Letters - St Paul’s College, Lawrenceville (1984 January); Doctorate of Law from Claremont Graduate School (1984 May); Doctorate of Sacred Theology from Dickinson College (1984 May); Doctorate of Divinity from Aberdeen University, Scotland (July, 1984); Doctor of Humane Letters, Howard University - U.S.A. (1984); Doctor of Humane Letters (May 2009); Doctor of Divinity, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (May 2009). Doctor Theologiae Honoris Causa, University of Vienna (June 2009).

Lot’s of them honorary, of course.

 

[O.S.Luke]

If you are Catholic, you DON"T list it as such. Why not just say Catholic (if you are) in your profile?

It’s right in the corner of Peter’s posts:

Join Date: April 7, 2008
Location: Roman Catholicism
Posts: 4,188
Religion: Christianity

OTCA - do you take the time to really READ posts before you fire off one of your retorts?

Do you take it back now that you know Peter is a fellow Catholic?

I think your true colors may be showing.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

It’s right in the corner of Peter’s posts:

Join Date: April 7, 2008
Location: Roman Catholicism
Posts: 4,188
Religion: Christianity

OTCA - do you take the time to really READ posts before you fire off one of your retorts?

Do you take it back now that you know Peter is a fellow Catholic?

I think your true colors may be showing.

Luke, give it up. I am tired of you stalking me…

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

It’s right in the corner of Peter’s posts:

Join Date: April 7, 2008
Location: Roman Catholicism
Posts: 4,188
Religion: Christianity

OTCA - do you take the time to really READ posts before you fire off one of your retorts?

Do you take it back now that you know Peter is a fellow Catholic?

I think your true colors may be showing.

Last time I checked, religion was either Catholic, Protestant, etc…he needs to list HIS RELIGION as Catholic. Not location…:banghead:

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

Nowhere did I praise Joel Osteen; “Smiling Joel” is sermon candy at best, so I don’t know why you’re bringing him up with me.

You have misquoted me again (which is what you usually do to anyone here); I didn’t demoralize him or denigrate Hahn; I praised him if I recall and said that his education was solid:

You’re full of it, OTCA - and you are mistaken. What I said is that he didn’t have a multitude of degrees, as you said.

No, I don’t have a Ph.D - I always felt called to parish work, not to teach full-time (I occasionally teach part-time at colleges or seminaries). But you are wrong in that I do have a Masters of Divinity degree (the minimum standard to be ordained in my tradition) and a Bachelor of Science degree. I had a double major in college (I started out pre-medicine). But I am the “dummy” of my family as I am the only one without a doctoral degree.

My brother has four degrees - but I don’t think he would say that he had a “multitude” of degrees either.

Now HERE’s what I would call a “multitude” of degrees:

Archbishop Desmond Tutu: University of South Africa, B.A., 1954; St. Peter’s Theological College, Johannesburg, L.Th, 1960; King’s College, London, B.D., 1965, M.Th, 1966; Doctorate of Divinity from General Theological Seminary, USA (May, 1978); Doctorate of Civil Law from Kent University, England (July 1978); Doctorate of Laws from Harvard, USA (June 1979); Doctorate of Theology from Ruhr University, Bochum (November 1981); Doctorate of Sacred Theology - Columbia University (Aug 1982); Doctorate of Humane Letters - St Paul’s College, Lawrenceville (1984 January); Doctorate of Law from Claremont Graduate School (1984 May); Doctorate of Sacred Theology from Dickinson College (1984 May); Doctorate of Divinity from Aberdeen University, Scotland (July, 1984); Doctor of Humane Letters, Howard University - U.S.A. (1984); Doctor of Humane Letters (May 2009); Doctor of Divinity, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (May 2009). Doctor Theologiae Honoris Causa, University of Vienna (June 2009).

Lot’s of them honorary, of course.

Big deal…your Masters of Divinity isn’t worth what Dr. Hahn has.