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IWantGod
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As a Catholic do you support scrapping welfare in America? I mean completely removing it.
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adgloriam
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As a human being do you support scrapping welfare in America? I mean completely remove it.
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JulianN
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No.
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gregoryphealy
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Yes (for the most part), and then I also support Catholics coming in and caring even more for their communities as a result of less of their paychecks being hemorrhaged into an inefficient system that attempts to do the same thing. Government-forced charity isn’t charity because charity isn’t obligatory.
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JanSobieskiIII
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The current system? Absolutely. It is the most inefficient system imaginable.
Federal government shouldn’t be doing anything, state governments should be handling it all.
Federal government shouldn’t be doing anything, state governments should be handling it all.
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Augustinian
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Welfare is a protestant innovation, you know. The proto-welfare law was the Elizabethan Poor Law in about 1601, and was the replacement for the services previously provided by monasteries that were closed up in England during the last half of the 16th Century.
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Canvas
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One could make the case that instead of vast bureaucracy applying means tested programs, a single universal minimum income might be a better way to fight poverty.
Less money spent implementing a whole mish mash of means tested programs overseen by large bureaucratic institutions could be replaced by a relatively small group of people who simply mails out a monthly check for every citizen or resident alien that pays into the fund (including dependents).
Of course, one would have to look at the logistics of a far reaching change like that, but I can see a universal minimum income being better than a bunch of cruddy programs that have so many strings attached and are constantly being used as bargaining chips for politicians.
Less money spent implementing a whole mish mash of means tested programs overseen by large bureaucratic institutions could be replaced by a relatively small group of people who simply mails out a monthly check for every citizen or resident alien that pays into the fund (including dependents).
Of course, one would have to look at the logistics of a far reaching change like that, but I can see a universal minimum income being better than a bunch of cruddy programs that have so many strings attached and are constantly being used as bargaining chips for politicians.
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lordie
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no ,because too many people out there needs welfare ,and I think catholics started food stamps and welfare , if it gets scrapped then a lot will rely on catholic charities for basic needs .
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Augustinian
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Nope, it was the protestants in Elizabethan England.
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edwest211
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A “universal minimum income” is a very bad idea. People who cannot work due to various medical conditions and disabilities need some support. We all, believers or not, have basic civic duties that we should perform as we are able - as God gives us. Or just as good citizens concerned about the common good. The Catholic view:
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WELFARE: Should Catholics support welfare programs? - Living Faith - Home & Family - News - Catholic Online
Is welfare good or bad? Welfare is a divisive issue in America, widely identified with the liberal left. Catholics, many of whom identify as conservative, are opposed to over-generous welfare ...
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2towers
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The current welfare system is not perfect by any means, but few programs are. There are abuses with any program that has safety nets. I believe though, that there are people who truly need help, that without this program, would be out on the streets. People who are disabled or mentally impaired. The welfare system has gone through some significant reforms, that have helped.
No, I do not think we should get rid of it.
No, I do not think we should get rid of it.
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Canvas
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to quote from that article:
“The Church has made this clear. The state has an obligation to collect taxes from the taxpayer and to wisely redistribute those funds to alleviate poverty. The Christian has a duty to pay those taxes and to support such a program.”
That is essentially what I mean by universal minimum income. It would change welfare as we know it, from a bunch of different means tested programs into a system where everyone who makes money pays a % of their income into, and every month, a certain sum is doled out to every citizen (including extra money for those with dependents or disabilities.) with no strings attached. No possibility of getting kicked off if you get a $1 hour raise, etc.
“The Church has made this clear. The state has an obligation to collect taxes from the taxpayer and to wisely redistribute those funds to alleviate poverty. The Christian has a duty to pay those taxes and to support such a program.”
That is essentially what I mean by universal minimum income. It would change welfare as we know it, from a bunch of different means tested programs into a system where everyone who makes money pays a % of their income into, and every month, a certain sum is doled out to every citizen (including extra money for those with dependents or disabilities.) with no strings attached. No possibility of getting kicked off if you get a $1 hour raise, etc.
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Canvas
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I never said get rid of welfare—I just think we should look at doing it differently. I fully support a much bolder safety net for the poor and disabled and elderly etc.
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guanophore
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What does that mean? Remove what?
Is this what is meant by “welfare”?
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IWantGod
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Welfare is the provision of a minimal level of well-being and social support for citizens and other eligible residents without sufficient current means to support basic needs.
Welfare - Wikipedia
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goout
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- we need to care for those unable to care for themselves
- “welfare” as we know it is incredibly wasteful, even while it’s intent is good and while it does a lot of good. It’s incredibly inefficient and has created a culture of dependency.
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IWantGod
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In the United States, depending on the context, the term “welfare” can be used to refer to means-tested cash benefits, especially the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program and its successor, the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families Block Grant, or it can be used to refer to all means-tested programs that help individuals or families meet basic needs, including, for example, health care through Medicaid, Supplemental Security Income (SSI) benefits and food and nutrition programs (SNAP). It can also include Social Insurance programs such as Unemployment Insurance, Social Security, and Medicare.
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MonteRCMS
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Did I read correctly that Finland tried this and abandoned it because nobody wanted to work?
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goout
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It should be noted that work is part of the human condition. Work is part of the path to sanctification.
Work is not just done for what it accomplishes, it also edifies a person spiritually. It builds a person up and the surrounding community as well.
Work should not be seen as a burden, although we know it certainly can be one when misused.
Systems that destroy the human drive to work are oppressive just as those systems which overwork and abuse people.
Welfare as we know it is certainly one of those systems, even while it helps some who need it.
Work is not just done for what it accomplishes, it also edifies a person spiritually. It builds a person up and the surrounding community as well.
Work should not be seen as a burden, although we know it certainly can be one when misused.
Systems that destroy the human drive to work are oppressive just as those systems which overwork and abuse people.
Welfare as we know it is certainly one of those systems, even while it helps some who need it.
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