Scripture and Tradition

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It always amazes me why people say Scripture is the only source and trumps Tradition. But it does not. In fact, Scripture is written to prove Tradition!

Luke 1:4King James Version (KJV)

4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Pretty much sums my premise up.

Sacred Scripture can only be read in the light of Tradition!

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Scripture was not written to prove Tradition. Scripture was written so that you and I might be saved.

Salvation is the reason why Sacred Scripture exists. Scripture is not a proof text for Sacred Tradition.

-Tim-
 
TimothyH said:
Scripture was not written to prove Tradition. Scripture was written so that you and I might be saved.

Salvation is the reason why Sacred Scripture exists. Scripture is not a proof text for Sacred Tradition.
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1 John 5
I write this to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.

I would also add, it is for confirmation, defending, Teaching, and inspiration!

1John 1

And we are writing this that our joy may be complete.
 
JB_Brother_4446 said:
It always amazes me why people say Scripture is the only source and trumps Tradition. But it does not. In fact, Scripture is written to prove Tradition!
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Not really to prove Tradition but I get your point. The Word of God comes to us through Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition and the teaching authority of the Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church was founded before the canon of Scripture was even known (indeed determined by the Catholic Church) and given as a key mission the salvation of souls.
 
TimothyH said:
Scripture was not written to prove Tradition. Scripture was written so that you and I might be saved.

Salvation is the reason why Sacred Scripture exists. Scripture is not a proof text for Sacred Tradition.

-Tim-
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True. But what I was trying to say is that Scripture goes hand in hand with Tradition.
 
TimothyH said:
Scripture was not written to prove Tradition. Scripture was written so that you and I might be saved.

Salvation is the reason why Sacred Scripture exists. Scripture is not a proof text for Sacred Tradition.

-Tim-
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It seems like you are rejecting what the Scripture says about itself. Scripture was produced from Sacred Tradition. Everything that Jesus taught was whole and complete before a word of the NT had ever been written. It is not the Book that saves, but Christ. Jesus has provided salvation through His One Body, the Church. This was the case before there were any NT Scriptures, and would continue to be the case if they were all destroyed.
 
guanophore said:
It seems like you are rejecting what the Scripture says about itself. Scripture was produced from Sacred Tradition. Everything that Jesus taught was whole and complete before a word of the NT had ever been written. It is not the Book that saves, but Christ. Jesus has provided salvation through His One Body, the Church. This was the case before there were any NT Scriptures, and would continue to be the case if they were all destroyed.
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I never said that a book saves or that the Bible saves. A book that saves are your words not mine. I said that salvation is the reason why Sacred Scripture exists. Those were my words.

70% of the bible is the Old Testament. The Old Testament predates Jesus by at least 450 years, some of it by 1500 years. Many in the Old Testament are saints who existed before the Church existed.

-Tim-
 
TimothyH said:
I never said that a book saves or that the Bible saves. A book that saves are your words not mine. I said that salvation is the reason why Sacred Scripture exists. Those were my words.

70% of the bible is the Old Testament. The Old Testament predates Jesus by at least 450 years, some of it by 1500 years. Many in the Old Testament are saints who existed before the Church existed.

-Tim-
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True. But Scripture was also written so that we may know “the certanity of the teachings you received.”
 
John 21:25 There many things that Jesus did that didn’t make it into Scripture. As it says here, “I do not think the whole world would contain them.” Some of this stuff, plus many things in the early church, makes up what we might call Tradition. :twocents:
 
TimothyH said:
I never said that a book saves or that the Bible saves. A book that saves are your words not mine. I said that salvation is the reason why Sacred Scripture exists. Those were my words.

70% of the bible is the Old Testament. The Old Testament predates Jesus by at least 450 years, some of it by 1500 years. Many in the Old Testament are saints who existed before the Church existed.

-Tim-
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I agree that the Scriptures document salvation history. But they were never meant to be separated from the saving faith that produced them.
 
guanophore said:
I agree that the Scriptures document salvation history. But they were never meant to be separated from the saving faith that produced them.
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Again, I never said that Scripture should be separated from saving faith that produced them. I never said anything about documenting salvation history. Those are your words. I said that salvation is the reason Scripture exists. That’s all. Nothing more.

Scripture is a message of salvation:

*The commission was fulfilled, too, by those Apostles and apostolic men who under the inspiration of the same Holy Spirit committed the message of salvation to writing.
  • Dei Verbum, Par 7*
Scripture was written for the sake of salvation:

*Therefore, since everything asserted by the inspired authors or sacred writers must be held to be asserted by the Holy Spirit, it follows that the books of Scripture must be acknowledged as teaching solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings for the sake of salvation.
  • Dei Verbum, Par 11*
The Church exists so that we might be saved.

God became man and died on the Cross so that we might be saved.

The Sacraments were given to the Church so that we might be saved.

Devotions exist so that we might be saved.

Sacred Tradition is handed on so that we might be saved.

Parishes and holy water and the Pope and pews and statues and altars and the Eucharist and good works and the Ten Commandments and gregorian chant and choir lofts and the Psalms and the Book of Revelation all exist so that you and I might spend eternity in the Heavenly Jerusalem with God.

-Tim-
 
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