Scripture seems to suggest only the Apostles could pass on gifts by laying on of hands

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At least that is what a former Catholic friend is telling me.

This then goes on to “prove” his argument that the gifts ended with the death of the last Apostle.

Nonsense! The example is that only the Apsotles had the power from God to bestow the spiritual gifts that included miraculous powers, speaking in tongues, prophecy, and knowledge of God’s word without study.

He says there is no Biblical evidence the miraculous gifts came spontaneously, apart from laying on of hands, in the NT.

Is there a Scripture based answer to this?
 
Tobias2 said:
At least that is what a former Catholic friend is telling me.
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Well it seems your Catholic friend has in essence argued that the Church died with the Apostles. A curious position for a Catholic …
 
Tobias2 said:
At least that is what a former Catholic friend is telling me.

This then goes on to “prove” his argument that the gifts ended with the death of the last Apostle.

Nonsense! The example is that only the Apsotles had the power from God to bestow the spiritual gifts that included miraculous powers, speaking in tongues, prophecy, and knowledge of God’s word without study.

He says there is no Biblical evidence the miraculous gifts came spontaneously, apart from laying on of hands, in the NT.

Is there a Scripture based answer to this?
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What’s his point? Catholic bishops are consecrated by – you guessed it – the laying on of hands. It has always been that way, because the Scriptures talk about the laying on of hands.

So his argument doesn’t prove anything about whether Catholic bishops have received the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
 
sllhouette said:
Acts 1:26 shows Matthias succeeding Judas as an Apostle.
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This is to show that although the original apostles may have perished, the office they held still exists. We have yet to see the death of the last apostles.
 
sllhouette said:
This is to show that although the original apostles may have perished, the office they held still exists. We have yet to see the death of the last apostles.
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Just to clarify–we have seen the death of the last Apostle, as John was the last to die, and with his death, public revelation ended. We have not seen the death of the office which they held, which is currently invested in the Bishops of the Church.

-ACEGC
 
edward_george said:
Just to clarify–we have seen the death of the last Apostle, as John was the last to die, and with his death, public revelation ended. We have not seen the death of the office which they held, which is currently invested in the Bishops of the Church.

-ACEGC
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Yes, thank you.
 
Acts demonstrates that while Deacons could baptize (as Philip does with the Ethiopian and in Samaria), only Apostles, and by extension, bishops, could lay hands for conferring the Spirit. The Priesthood had not yet been established. With permission from the Bishop, priests may confirm (lay on hands to receive the Spirit more fully) but the power to ordain is reserved to Bishops (successors to the Apostles, as mentioned by others in Acts 1:26 and in Paul’s letter to Timothy, etc) only.
 
sllhouette said:
Acts 1:26 shows Matthias succeeding Judas as an Apostle.
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Is there any verse in Scripture where someone who had hands laid on them then laid hands on another?

Technically aren’t Apostles the original 12 and Paul? The original 12 did not have a laying on of hands and Paul had a special commisiion though he later submitted to the laying on of hands.
 
Timothy was ordained by a council.

Do not neglect the gift you have, which was given you by prophetic utterance when the council of elders laid their hands upon you. (1 Timothy 4:14)

And he himself was to ordain by laying on of hands.

Do not be hasty in the laying on of hands, nor participate in another man’s sins; keep yourself pure. (1 Timothy 5:22)

In fact, laying on of hands was one of the five or six most basic doctrines of the early Church.

Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, with instruction about ablutions, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. (Hewbrews 6:1-2)

-Tim-
 
TimothyH said:
Timothy was ordained by a council.

Do not neglect the gift you have, which was given you by prophetic utterance when the council of elders laid their hands upon you. (1 Timothy 4:14)

And he himself was to ordain by laying on of hands.

Do not be hasty in the laying on of hands, nor participate in another man’s sins; keep yourself pure. (1 Timothy 5:22)

In fact, laying on of hands was one of the five or six most basic doctrines of the early Church.

Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, with instruction about ablutions, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. (Hewbrews 6:1-2)
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OK.

But is there Scriptural evidence that even with the laying on of hands anyone but the original Apostles had the ability to impart the gifts of the Holy Spirit such as healing and prophecy?
 
Tobias2 said:
Is there any verse in Scripture where someone who had hands laid on them then laid hands on another?

Technically aren’t Apostles the original 12 and Paul? The original 12 did not have a laying on of hands and Paul had a special commission though he later submitted to the laying on of hands.
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I don’t think that scripture is the appropriate place to look for that since they were written mostly before the apostles died. I would look to the writings of the early church fathers.
 
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Timothy was ordained by a council and Paul himself laid hands on Timothy.

*Do not neglect the gift you have, which was given you by prophetic utterance when the council of elders laid their hands upon you. (1 Timothy 4:14)

Hence I remind you to rekindle the gift of God that is within you through the laying on of my hands; (2 Timothy 1:6)*

Timothy was instructed to lay hands.

***Do not be hasty in the laying on of hands, nor participate in another man’s sins; keep yourself pure. *(1 Timothy 5:22)

In fact, laying on of hands was one of the five or six most basic doctrines of the early Church.

Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, with instruction about ablutions, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. (Hewbrews 6:1-2)

-Tim-
 
Tobias2 said:
But is there Scriptural evidence that even with the laying on of hands anyone but the original Apostles had the ability to impart the gifts of the Holy Spirit such as healing and prophecy?
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The bishops after the apostle usually do not have the power of healing and prophecy.
 
Andre1000 said:
The bishops after the apostle usually do not have the power of healing and prophecy.
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This is what my frend is saying though he inists it was absolute that they had no gifts or powers of healing/prophecy.
 
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