Scripture verses JWs have problems with?

[PRmerger]

The scriptures weren’t called “Bible” when Jesus was alive it was called ‘God’s Word’.

Actually, when Jesus was alive all that was around was the Old Testament.

Rather than saying that God’s word is not the foundation of the truth Jesus said that it IS the truth. “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” John 17:17 ;2 Tim. 3:16,17

Catholics understand that Jesus is The Word.

From what I have read, Jesus did put God’s Word above tradition.(Matthew 15:1-3, 7-9) I have not yet found a place where it says tradition comes first.

What do you mean by “tradition”?

If you mean “customs”, then you are very Catholic to say that.

If by “tradition” that which St. Paul discusses here:

So then, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye were taught, whether by word, or by epistle of ours.

then Scripture and Tradition are given equal footing, no?

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[T_More]

Twinkle, why are you afraid to identify yourself as a JW? Are you ashamed?

 

[Nicea325]

It is my understanding that Catholics do believe in the Bible. I went to Catholic school. Listened to all those stories about Jesus feeding crowds and such.

We do not believe in the Bible,but in God. We place our trust and faith in God,not a sacred book.

Are you trying to prove to JW that Catholics don’t? Does this honor God? Is the objective just to be the winner rather that using the scriptures to prove God to be the victor? Romans 3:4

I have no idea what you are referring to here?

Just to be fair:

The scriptures weren’t called “Bible” when Jesus was alive it was called ‘God’s Word’.

And the Word of God was also not binded to Word’s alone.

Rather than saying that God’s word is not the foundation of the truth Jesus said that it IS the truth. “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” John 17:17 ;2 Tim. 3:16,17

Yes God’ Word is Truth.

From what I have read, Jesus did put God’s Word above tradition.(Matthew 15:1-3, 7-9) I have not yet found a place where it says tradition comes first.

Here lies your error and porfound misunderstanding on tradition. Jesus was an orthodox Jew and also adhered to many traditions. And I have not found a verse stating the written word comes first over tradition or is superior.

I

asked about Jw Bible Interpretation. I was told that they compare scriptures with other scriptures in the Bible that deal with the same subject. I was given a few examples but this is one that I actually like.

What is the meaning of “sea,” @ Revelation 21:1? Told me to read Isaiah 57:20. (Ehh ok)

Ok…fair enough.

I do believe that the Bible has been given to us to give us hope. Rom. 15:4

Actually God gave us His Only begotten,not created, Son for our hope.

When deciding whether or not to follow Saint Paul, these people compared his words to the scriptures to determine if he was preaching the truth. Acts 17:11

Yes the truth that Jesus was the long awaited Messiah.

 

[Nicea325]

Twinkle, why are you afraid to identify yourself as a JW? Are you ashamed?

I have encountered many JW’s who never to say they are JW’s?

 

[Nicea325]

Jericho, if I could, perhaps showing the persona of the Holy Spirit, instead of doing what they expect and challenging them on the divinity of Christ, might yield better results. Often when the JW’s are challenged on the Holy Trinity, it centers around establishing the identity of Christ. What gets forgotten is the 3rd person of the Holy Trinity, the Lord and Giver of Life, the Holy Spirit. Here are some things that, if you haven’t already, might really throw a curve ball their way:

Showing in John 14 and John 16 that the Holy Spirit is referred to as a He and Him over and over again by Christ. Since JW’s believe that the Holy Spirit is impersonal and God’s “active force” or power ( they never capitalize and say/spell holy spirit, without placing a “the” in front of it to de-personalize Him), these verses place the onus is on them to explain who He and Him are.

The book of Acts is chock full of verses demonstrating the Holy Spirit giving commands on it’s own (Acts 13:2 is a great one!), and it makes it very difficult for them to explain how an impersonal, active force can be doing these things. In addition, Acts chapter 5 shows Peter asking Annanias and Sapphira why they had lied to the Holy Spirit. How could this be if it’s an impersonal, active force. Perhaps here you ask them, “Can I lie to a force, such as electricity?”

Surprisingly, these verses are untainted in their New World Translation.

But unfortunately my friend JW’s will not admit their NWT Bible is riddled with errors. They will provide their long list showing its accolades as to how great the NWT is among scholars.

 

[jericho777]

Jericho, if I could, perhaps showing the persona of the Holy Spirit, instead of doing what they expect and challenging them on the divinity of Christ, might yield better results. Often when the JW’s are challenged on the Holy Trinity, it centers around establishing the identity of Christ. What gets forgotten is the 3rd person of the Holy Trinity, the Lord and Giver of Life, the Holy Spirit. Here are some things that, if you haven’t already, might really throw a curve ball their way:

Showing in John 14 and John 16 that the Holy Spirit is referred to as a He and Him over and over again by Christ. Since JW’s believe that the Holy Spirit is impersonal and God’s “active force” or power ( they never capitalize and say/spell holy spirit, without placing a “the” in front of it to de-personalize Him), these verses place the onus is on them to explain who He and Him are.

The book of Acts is chock full of verses demonstrating the Holy Spirit giving commands on it’s own (Acts 13:2 is a great one!), and it makes it very difficult for them to explain how an impersonal, active force can be doing these things. In addition, Acts chapter 5 shows Peter asking Annanias and Sapphira why they had lied to the Holy Spirit. How could this be if it’s an impersonal, active force. Perhaps here you ask them, “Can I lie to a force, such as electricity?”

Surprisingly, these verses are untainted in their New World Translation.

My JW visitor freind sorta chose the topic first by saying if you were on a desert island and had no one to talk to, you could not find the Divinity of Jesus in the bible.

I let him choose the topics he wants to discuss then research and put forth my response. We have discussed the personhood of the Holy Spirit and just about everything else.

It is a daunting task at times with hours and hours of reading and research.

 

[JW_Catholic]

I found this thread interesting I’m a former JW if anyone has any questions ill be willing to do my best to answer. I still have lots of issues with the watchtower that I dislike and it currently still affects me because of my family, but if anything I will say it was my boyfriend who opened my eyes to see how wrong their teachings were. I feel that as a witness people are so very blinded because their teachings manipulate people. I’m glad to know better now.

 

[PRmerger]

My JW visitor freind sorta chose the topic first by saying if you were on a desert island and had no one to talk to, you could not find the Divinity of Jesus in the bible.

And I think your friend would be right!

Fortunately for Catholics we understand that the teachings of the Apostles are not distilled from the words of Scripture, but the words of Scripture reflect the teachings which were already delivered, once for all, to the Church. The Trinity is reflected in the NT, but without the Church to discern and guide, one can come to the conclusions that the JWs, Christadelphians, Mormons have achieved.

We receive the Faith through the paradosis. That Scripture reflects this paradosis is evident, but then, as the JWs rightly profess, with only the Scriptures, it certainly is difficult to distill the doctrine of the Trinity from its pages.

God chose to reveal the dogma of the Trinity to the Church, and it took several centuries for the Church to fully define this dogma.

 

[Big_Dummy]

2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 NWT
1 However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of YOU 2 not to be quickly shaken from YOUR reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here.

If you have their “Kingdom Interlinear” or any based on Westcott & Hort, Take them to verse two, where it says “day of Jehovah”, point out that the greek word is Kurios and point out that Kurios equals Jehovah. Then go to verse one and point out in phrase “Lord Jesus Christ”, the greek word for Lord is the same greek word Kurios. Then say, this should also be translated “Jehovah Jesus Christ”. *Immedately from there go to *
Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 4:8
And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

And, ask them “who is to come?” Answer, Jesus

Revelation 22:20
He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Then jump to,

Revelation 22:12-17
King James Version (KJV)

12And, behold,** I come quickly**; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

**16I Jesus **have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

And, then ask them who is the Alpha and Omega, point out it is “I Jesus” in verse 16.

The speaker in this chapter is the one who is to come, alpha and omega, and “I Jesus”.

 

[Big_Dummy]

Worthy of the Same Status
Jehovah Jesus
Isaiah 12:2, 43:11
Luke 1:47 the savior/only savior Titus 2:13
Luke 2:11
John 4:42
Acts 4:12
Isaiah 43:10 we are to be his witnesses * Acts 1:8
John 14:1(a) have faith in John 14:1(b)
Isaiah 45:22-23 knees bend/ tongues swear to Philippians 2:10-11
Revelation 4:11 worthy to receive honor and glory Revelation 5:12
Acts 16:34 believe in to be saved ** Acts 16:31
Joel 2:32 whoever calls on his name is saved Acts 2:21
Joshua 24:24 serve him Colossians 3:24
Nehemiah 9:6
Revelation 7:11 is worshipped by angels Hebrews 1:4-6
Matthew 4:10
John 4:24
Revelation 5:13-14, 11:16 others worship him Matthew 14:33, 28:9
John 9:38
Revelation 5:14
“Thus saith the Lord.”
(used dozens of times) speaks with divine authority “Truly, I say to you…”
(used dozens of times)

Have Same Names and Titles
Jehovah Jesus
Exodus 20:2-3
Deuteronomy 32:39
Isaiah 41:10, 43:10, 44:6, 44:8, 45:5, 44:22
1 Corinthians 8:4-52 God Matthew 1:23
John 1:1, 20:28
Hebrews 1:8
1 Timothy 1:17
Romans 10:12-13 Lord Luke 2:11
Deuteronomy 10:17
Jeremiah 32:18 Mighty God *** Isaiah 9:6
Genesis 17:1
Exodus 6:3 Almighty God Revelation 1:8
Revelation 1:8
Isaiah 44:6, 48:12 First and Last Revelation 1:17, 2:8, 22:13
Exodus 3:14
Deuteronomy 32:39
Isaiah 44:6, 48:12 I Am John 8:58, (Same Greek phrase as John 8:24, 13:19, 18:5 per KIT)
Deuteronomy 10:17
Psalm 136:2-3
Daniel 2:47
1 Timothy 6:15 King of King, Lord of Lords Revelation 17:14, 19:16
Hosea 11:9 Holy One Acts 3:14
Psalm 116:5 Righteous One Acts 3:14
1 John 2:1
Psalm 23:1 Shepherd John 10:11
Psalm 18:31 Rock 1 Corinthians 10:4

Perform the Same Acts
Jehovah Jesus
Acts 2:32 who resurrected Jesus John 2:19
10:17-18
Genesis 1:1
Isaiah 44:24, 45:12
Nehemiah 9:6
Revelation 4:11 created heaven & earth/all things John 1:3
Colossians 1:16
Psalm 65:3
Isaiah 43:25
Jeremiah 31:34 forgives sins Luke 5:20-21
Mark 2:7-9
2 Chronicles 7:14, et. al. hears prayer John 14:14 (KIT “ask me”)
Jeremiah 17:10 examines the heart & rewards conduct Revelation 2:23
Genesis 18:25
Psalm 96:13 judges all John 5:22
2 Timothy 4:1
Proverbs 3:12 reproves those he loves Revelation 3:19
Psalm 107:29
Psalm 89:9 calms wind & waves Luke 8:24
Mark 4:39-41
John 5:21(a) raises the dead John 5:21(b)
Romans 6:23 offers eternal life John 5:39-40, 10:28
Isaiah 41:10 is with us Matthew 28:20

Have the Same Attributes
Jehovah Jesus
Psalm 90:2
Proverbs 8:23 eternal “from time indefinite” Isaiah 9:6
Micah 5:2
John 1:2
Psalm 139:7-12
Proverbs 15:3 omnipresent Matthew 18:20, 28:20
Isaiah 45:5-13 omnipotent Matthew 28:18
1 Kings 8:39
Jeremiah 17:9,10,16
1 John 3:20 omniscient Matthew 11:27
Luke 5:4-6
John 2:25, 16:30, 21:17
Malachi 3:6 does not change Hebrews 13:8
Jeremiah 42:5 true and faithful witness Revelation 3:14
Psalm 27:1 light John 8:12
Psalm 71:5 our hope 1 Timothy 1:1
Psalm 46:1 our strength Philippians 4:13
Jeremiah 17:13 source of living water John 4:14
Revelation 21:6
Revelation 15:4 righteous Acts 3:14
faithfacts.org/world-religions-and-theology/jehovahs-witness

warning Jesus Only source for more comparisons
newlifeupc.org/wp-content/uploads/online-books/oneness/One-Ch4.html

Used of יהוה
Description
Used of Jesus Christ

Exodus 3:14
YAHWEH (“I AM”)
John 8:58

Genesis 1:1
GOD
Titus 2:13

Isaiah 48:12
ALPHA AND OMEGA
Revelation 1:17, 18

Isaiah 45:23
LORD
Philippians 2:10, 11

Isaiah 43:11
SAVIOR
John 4:42

Isaiah 43:15
KING
Revelation 19:16

Genesis 18:25
JUDGE
2 Corinthians 5:10

Psalm 27:1
LIGHT
John 8:12

Deuteronomy 32:3,4
ROCK
1 Corinthians 10:3, 4

Isaiah 48:17
REDEEMER
Ephesians 1:7

Isaiah 45:24
OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS
Romans 3:21, 22

Isaiah 44:24
HUSBAND
2 Corinthians 11:2

Psalm 23:1
SHEPHERD
John 10:11-16

Isaiah 44:24
CREATOR
Colossians 1:16

Deuteronomy 32:39
GIVER OF LIFE
John 5:21

Daniel 9:9
FORGIVER OF SIN
Mark 2:1-12

Exodus 15:26
LORD OUR HEALER
Acts 9:34

Psalm 139:7-12
OMNIPRESENT
Matthew 28:19-20

1 Kings 8:39
OMNISCIENT
John 16:30

Isaiah 40:10-31
OMNIPOTENT
Mark 1:29-34

Genesis 1:1
PREEXISTENT
John 17:5

Psalm 102:26, 27
ETERNAL
Isaiah 9:6

Malachi 3:6
IMMUTABLE
Hebrews 13:8

John 4:24
RECEIVER OF WORSHIP
Matthew 28:9

matsati.com/comparison.html

see page 515
books.google.com/books?id=HSL2Vtr9x_wC&pg=PA516&dq=chart+Jesus+Jehovah+%22I+am%22+alpha+omega&hl=en&ei=lnNBTpixLKyJsALziaHcCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CC0Q6AEwATge#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[FaithfulAndTrue]

I have created a long cheat-sheet for myself with a bunch of notes and scripture references which I can share (some of which have already been posted by others) but I don’t have much time at the moment.

If you aren’t able to memorize a lot of stuff, one really simple verse to remember which has not been corrupted by their version is John 8:58.

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” (John 8:58)

In this verse, Jesus claims to be God. He claims to be the I AM. If you read all of chapter 8 you’ll see this and that they tried to stone him which is the punishment for blasphemy/claiming to be God (Leviticus 24:16). Ask, if Jesus was not claiming to be God here, why did they try to stone him?

 

[SteveVH]

Anyone here have any discussions with Jehovah’s Witnesses? How did it go?

I’m looking for some “stumpers for JWs”–and I have indeed read the Catholic Answers tracts on this–but am looking for* more *from all of my friends here on the forum.

I have had 2 very nice JW ladies come to my door–finally! I’ve been wanting to chat with JWs for a LONG time. I pass their local Kingdom Hall every day and think, “What are they doing in there?? Why can’t anyone come and chat with me because I have so much to ask them!”

And in all my years, I’ve never had a chance to speak to a JW. Funny thing is, DH always seems to be the one to answer the door when they come knocking and will later tell me, quite satisfied, “Some JWs came to the door today but I got rid of them for you!” Whhhaaaat??

One would think, after knowing that I LOVE to be on the CAFs and LOVE to discuss my faith, that it would be obvious that I would LOVE to chat with them…

But it’s true that I never specifically said to DH: please don’t send the JWs away for I would enjoy talking with them.

Now he knows. And he did have them come back; hence my lovely conversation of late with 2 JWs.

But I digress…

So does anyone have any success stories? Bible verses you used that they cannot respond to?

I am well aware that nothing I say will convince them that their religion is false, but I did see the wavering eyes in the “newer” JW lady who came to my door when I pointed out a few questions, in response to the lead JW’s comments.

Thanks!

Generally, I would stick with the biggies, such as the Trinity, references to Christ’s divinity, etc. JW’s are basically Arians so its a great place to begin. I had to laugh at your position on wanting to speak with them. I am the same way and always was receiving advice on how to get rid of them, rather then how to deal with them. So I made my own rule. I always told them that I would sit down with them if they promised to come back at least five times, as there was little we could accomplish in an hour. After that first meeting, I never had them return.

I had an employee who was JW. We had quite a few discussions until she got backed into a corner and was advised by the “Elders” to stop conversing with me. That was after I had found an old Watchtower that stated that JW’s should “hate the enemies of God” (anyone who is not JW) with a “pure hatred” and asked her for an explanation in light of Christ’s command to love our enemies…

The JW’s have an obsession with the Catholic Church. I always found it helpful to fill them in on a little Church history, of which they are almost completely ignorant. They believe in all kinds of myths about our Church so it’s kind of fun to put those to rest.

Good luck.

 

[Publisher]

In my own experience with the Witnesses I choose not to get involved in “proof texting” or “gotcha verses”…instead…speak of your own experience with God in Christ and how He has blessed your life and made it whole.

Speak of those things which causes them to pause…a kind heart and loving spirit goes much further than trying “proof text”. They can argue scripture…there is no doubt about that…and they are very good at it…you quote a verse…they quote a verse…you try to convince them of Greek tenses…they argue…you rebut…etc

But to speak to them of the love of God you have found in Christ and His mercy are things their own hearts long for.

In my opinion a loving kind witness to trust and faith in God goes much further to move them toward you than arguing scripture.

 

[PRmerger]

In my opinion a loving kind witness to trust and faith in God goes much further to move them toward you than arguing scripture.

From your experience, Publisher, have you found much success with offering your faith journey to JWs?

My understanding is that JWs do not really allow you to share your own experiences, but are only willing to discuss the Bible and how your faith contradicts it.

But, as I stated, my experience with JWs is limited to a 10 minute conversation, and my readings here on the CAFs.

 

[Publisher]

From your experience, Publisher, have you found much success with offering your faith journey to JWs?

My understanding is that JWs do not really allow you to share your own experiences, but are only willing to discuss the Bible and how your faith contradicts it.

But, as I stated, my experience with JWs is limited to a 10 minute conversation, and my readings here on the CAFs.

I had a Witness acquaintance who eventually came to join an evangelical community…he said the one thing that moved him away from the Witnesses was the “testimonies” of Christians who sought to live out the gospel before him…men and women who lived the life they professed…the assurance they had…the joy they shared…something he never really found among the Witnesses.

Now…that being said…I use to work with a Jehovah’s Witness woman who also shared her faith Journey among the Witnesses…she had a great impact on many who eventually became Witnesses through her witness of faith…In my own experience, she was unique among those few Witnesses I have met and shared with.

Those Witnesses which come to my door usually do not return when I share my own faith experience with them…I do refuse to engage in “Bible Study” with them as I am quite happy in my own faith traditon…some have “stumbled” over my question of “Share how God has enriched your life and how your faith has changed your life.”

On rare occasions,…very rare…and in my younger days…I invited them to “enter into Meeting” with me before we discussed our faith…they became very uncomfortable but couldn’t leave as I had served refreshments…so I had a captive audience so to speak.

As for them not “allowing”…they didn’t have much of a choice. After discussing with them how their faith has made them kinder…gentler…more loving…it seemed to make them “awkward”…but I have had the “gung ho” Witness that sought to direct the conversation once in the door…but I didn’t take the “bait”…

Most never return…on occasion many years ago one Witness brought back his Overseer (?)…never to return after I “wasted an hour of their time”.

So to answer your question…“No…I haven’t had any success”…but then I’m not out to convert them to Quakerism…I like to think though…I planted a Seed.

 

[alwayslooking]

When I am presented the chance to talk to JW’s I start with the question of authority of the Church. Then I move to succession of the Holy Fathers and bishops. Once you are to this point you can start talking ecumenical councils and then move to tradition.

Keys of Heaven to Peter: Matthew 16:13-20
Authority to the Apostles: Matthew 28:16-20
Infallible Church: Luke 10:16
Authority to elect new Apostles (Bishops): Acts 1:20-26, Acts 14:23, & 1 Tim 4:14-16

Once you get to the point of acceptance of succession of the Apostles to the modern bishops everything else becomes easier.

 

[PRmerger]

I had a Witness acquaintance who eventually came to join an evangelical community…he said the one thing that moved him away from the Witnesses was the “testimonies” of Christians who sought to live out the gospel before him…men and women who lived the life they professed…the assurance they had…the joy they shared…something he never really found among the Witnesses.

Now…that being said…I use to work with a Jehovah’s Witness woman who also shared her faith Journey among the Witnesses…she had a great impact on many who eventually became Witnesses through her witness of faith…In my own experience, she was unique among those few Witnesses I have met and shared with.

Those Witnesses which come to my door usually do not return when I share my own faith experience with them…I do refuse to engage in “Bible Study” with them as I am quite happy in my own faith traditon…some have “stumbled” over my question of “Share how God has enriched your life and how your faith has changed your life.”

On rare occasions,…very rare…and in my younger days…I invited them to “enter into Meeting” with me before we discussed our faith…they became very uncomfortable but couldn’t leave as I had served refreshments…so I had a captive audience so to speak.

As for them not “allowing”…they didn’t have much of a choice. After discussing with them how their faith has made them kinder…gentler…more loving…it seemed to make them “awkward”…but I have had the “gung ho” Witness that sought to direct the conversation once in the door…but I didn’t take the “bait”…

Most never return…on occasion many years ago one Witness brought back his Overseer (?)…never to return after I “wasted an hour of their time”.

So to answer your question…“No…I haven’t had any success”…but then I’m not out to convert them to Quakerism…I like to think though…I planted a Seed.

What you limn above is the “Faith” wing of the argument used with JWs.

I think offering Scripture verses as others have indicated in other posts is the “Reason” wing in discussions with JWs.

Like most Catholic answers, it is not either/or but both/and.

As the late, great Pope JPII said, "Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth.

Regarding your comment about “planting a seed”…what fruit are you trying to have them bear? The fruit that their JW faith is false? And that yours is true?

 

[PRmerger]

Worthy of the Same Status
Jehovah Jesus
Isaiah 12:2, 43:11
Luke 1:47 the savior/only savior Titus 2:13
Luke 2:11
John 4:42
Acts 4:12
Isaiah 43:10 we are to be his witnesses * Acts 1:8
John 14:1(a) have faith in John 14:1(b)
Isaiah 45:22-23 knees bend/ tongues swear to Philippians 2:10-11
Revelation 4:11 worthy to receive honor and glory Revelation 5:12
Acts 16:34 believe in to be saved ** Acts 16:31
Joel 2:32 whoever calls on his name is saved Acts 2:21
Joshua 24:24 serve him Colossians 3:24
Nehemiah 9:6
Revelation 7:11 is worshipped by angels Hebrews 1:4-6
Matthew 4:10
John 4:24
Revelation 5:13-14, 11:16 others worship him Matthew 14:33, 28:9
John 9:38
Revelation 5:14
“Thus saith the Lord.”
(used dozens of times) speaks with divine authority “Truly, I say to you…”
(used dozens of times)

Have Same Names and Titles
Jehovah Jesus
Exodus 20:2-3
Deuteronomy 32:39
Isaiah 41:10, 43:10, 44:6, 44:8, 45:5, 44:22
1 Corinthians 8:4-52 God Matthew 1:23
John 1:1, 20:28
Hebrews 1:8
1 Timothy 1:17
Romans 10:12-13 Lord Luke 2:11
Deuteronomy 10:17
Jeremiah 32:18 Mighty God *** Isaiah 9:6
Genesis 17:1
Exodus 6:3 Almighty God Revelation 1:8
Revelation 1:8
Isaiah 44:6, 48:12 First and Last Revelation 1:17, 2:8, 22:13
Exodus 3:14
Deuteronomy 32:39
Isaiah 44:6, 48:12 I Am John 8:58, (Same Greek phrase as John 8:24, 13:19, 18:5 per KIT)
Deuteronomy 10:17
Psalm 136:2-3
Daniel 2:47
1 Timothy 6:15 King of King, Lord of Lords Revelation 17:14, 19:16
Hosea 11:9 Holy One Acts 3:14
Psalm 116:5 Righteous One Acts 3:14
1 John 2:1
Psalm 23:1 Shepherd John 10:11
Psalm 18:31 Rock 1 Corinthians 10:4

Perform the Same Acts
Jehovah Jesus
Acts 2:32 who resurrected Jesus John 2:19
10:17-18
Genesis 1:1
Isaiah 44:24, 45:12
Nehemiah 9:6
Revelation 4:11 created heaven & earth/all things John 1:3
Colossians 1:16
Psalm 65:3
Isaiah 43:25
Jeremiah 31:34 forgives sins Luke 5:20-21
Mark 2:7-9
2 Chronicles 7:14, et. al. hears prayer John 14:14 (KIT “ask me”)
Jeremiah 17:10 examines the heart & rewards conduct Revelation 2:23
Genesis 18:25
Psalm 96:13 judges all John 5:22
2 Timothy 4:1
Proverbs 3:12 reproves those he loves Revelation 3:19
Psalm 107:29
Psalm 89:9 calms wind & waves Luke 8:24
Mark 4:39-41
John 5:21(a) raises the dead John 5:21(b)
Romans 6:23 offers eternal life John 5:39-40, 10:28
Isaiah 41:10 is with us Matthew 28:20

Have the Same Attributes
Jehovah Jesus
Psalm 90:2
Proverbs 8:23 eternal “from time indefinite” Isaiah 9:6
Micah 5:2
John 1:2
Psalm 139:7-12
Proverbs 15:3 omnipresent Matthew 18:20, 28:20
Isaiah 45:5-13 omnipotent Matthew 28:18
1 Kings 8:39
Jeremiah 17:9,10,16
1 John 3:20 omniscient Matthew 11:27
Luke 5:4-6
John 2:25, 16:30, 21:17
Malachi 3:6 does not change Hebrews 13:8
Jeremiah 42:5 true and faithful witness Revelation 3:14
Psalm 27:1 light John 8:12
Psalm 71:5 our hope 1 Timothy 1:1
Psalm 46:1 our strength Philippians 4:13
Jeremiah 17:13 source of living water John 4:14
Revelation 21:6
Revelation 15:4 righteous Acts 3:14
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Used of יהוה
Description
Used of Jesus Christ

Exodus 3:14
YAHWEH (“I AM”)
John 8:58

Genesis 1:1
GOD
Titus 2:13

Isaiah 48:12
ALPHA AND OMEGA
Revelation 1:17, 18

Isaiah 45:23
LORD
Philippians 2:10, 11

Isaiah 43:11
SAVIOR
John 4:42

Isaiah 43:15
KING
Revelation 19:16

Genesis 18:25
JUDGE
2 Corinthians 5:10

Psalm 27:1
LIGHT
John 8:12

Deuteronomy 32:3,4
ROCK
1 Corinthians 10:3, 4

Isaiah 48:17
REDEEMER
Ephesians 1:7

Isaiah 45:24
OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS
Romans 3:21, 22

Isaiah 44:24
HUSBAND
2 Corinthians 11:2

Psalm 23:1
SHEPHERD
John 10:11-16

Isaiah 44:24
CREATOR
Colossians 1:16

Deuteronomy 32:39
GIVER OF LIFE
John 5:21

Daniel 9:9
FORGIVER OF SIN
Mark 2:1-12

Exodus 15:26
LORD OUR HEALER
Acts 9:34

Psalm 139:7-12
OMNIPRESENT
Matthew 28:19-20

1 Kings 8:39
OMNISCIENT
John 16:30

Isaiah 40:10-31
OMNIPOTENT
Mark 1:29-34

Genesis 1:1
PREEXISTENT
John 17:5

Psalm 102:26, 27
ETERNAL
Isaiah 9:6

Malachi 3:6
IMMUTABLE
Hebrews 13:8

John 4:24
RECEIVER OF WORSHIP
Matthew 28:9

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[Publisher]

What you limn above is the “Faith” wing of the argument used with JWs.

I think offering Scripture verses as others have indicated in other posts is the “Reason” wing in discussions with JWs.

Like most Catholic answers, it is not either/or but both/and.

As the late, great Pope JPII said, "Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth.

Regarding your comment about “planting a seed”…what fruit are you trying to have them bear? The fruit that their JW faith is false? And that yours is true?

No…I believe God can work His will no matter what faith tradition one believes in…by “Seed” I meant that perhaps I could plant a “Seed” in them that causes them to question their position that THEY ALONE (Jehovah’s Witnesses) are the only ones faithful to God…I have only met one Witness…the woman I mentioned…who displayed any real joy in their faith and embraced those of other faith traditions as “brothers and sisters”.

 

[twinkletwinkle]

Yes, Catholics do believe in the Bible! It is a Catholic book, after all, written by Catholics, for Catholics and canonized, infallibly, by Catholic bishops in the 4th century and re-affirmed at later councils.

Not at all. I am simply saying that the Bible says that the Church is the pillar and foundatin of truth–NOT the Bible.

Do you not agree?

If these are the books that the church has chosen then why do they not follow the very books that you say they approved? Why include a cannon of books that contradict church teachings? Why did the church forbid the reading of the Bible in the past?

For Clarity 1 Tim. 3:15 says:
“if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.”

This is what you have given emphasis to.

Let’s look a little deeper.

“pillar and foundation”

What do these words mean:

pillar-

1)a firm upright support for a superstructure

2)a supporting, integral, or upstanding member or part

foundation-

1. an established organization or institution
2. an underlying base or support
3. a body or ground upon which something is built up or overlaid

Notice it says the house of God is a pillar and foundation “of” truth not “is” truth.

So God’s congregation of people are supporters “of” truth.

Jesus said God’s word “is” truth. John 17:17

Therefore, Gods household as an established organization support and uphold the truths that God’s word teaches.