Scripture: What's myth and what's history?

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Much to Jonah’s dismay, the Ninevites do repent. Again, to appreciate the humor in this account we must once more see it against the background of the experience of the historical prophets. When we read the other prophets, we read page after page of the content of their message. Invariably, however, their prophecy falls on deaf ears. The anguish of the prophet resides in the fact that his prophecies are ignored. Jonah, merely states in his first day in town, “Forty days more and Nineveh shall be overthrown,” and the whole nation immediately repents. Even the king hears the news and immediately responds. He sends out a proclamation that all are to repent and do penance, even the animals. The incredible exaggeration here adds to the humor and the obviously fictional nature of the work. God responds by not destroying the city after all.
Again, this is very good and in some ways helpful from a certain perspective. For example, it is helpful to draw out the fact that the Ninevites repented at the prophet’s preaching, while the Israelites didn’t. Jesus picks up on this biblical theme in his preaching to the Nazarenes (Luke 4:16-30), where “He marveled at their unbelief (Mark 6:6). I think the conclusion being drawn in terms of the humor is somewhat flawed, however. I’ve already spoken on the immediacy and scope of the repentance. I now offer another thought about the scope of repentance, that the language is perhaps meant to convey the idea that many of the Ninevites repented without necessarily meaning to imply a majority. If this is the case, then we can agree that hyperbole is definitely in the mix. 🙂

As for the repentance called for on the part of the animals, I think that this is another biblical theme that is being picked up on by the author, and not necessarily an element of humor. For example, a comparison can be drawn between the judgments that fall on the animals during the course of the ten plagues and the mercy that is bestowed in the present case. The point being, animals share in both the condemnation and in the salvation that is focused on man. “The whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now … having been] “subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it” (Rom 8:22; 20).
 
The expectation would now be that Jonah would be jubilant. After all, he had been God’s instrument of salvation for the Ninevites. They had responded to his words and were saved. The author humorously and ironically disappoints this expectation by having Jonah react in just the opposite way. Jonah is furious because he wanted the Ninevites to be destroyed. After all, they are the Israelites’ enemies. Jonah cries out in anger to Yahweh and says, “…I knew that you are a gracious God and merciful slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love…” One would expect such words to be a song of praise, but our author has ironically made them an accusation. Jonah is angry that God has these characteristics, for they are the very characteristics that have resulted in God’s not destroying the Ninevites.
I think this expectation is only there to the degree being claimed if the reader is carrying out the same type of literary analysis as your sources have done. Again, there is plausibility to this construction, and once one has adopted the position, she begins to see the things that you mention. But if we sit back and think about what we’ve already read in Jonah, we know that he did not want to go and preach to the Ninevites. We do not yet know his reasons for this, but they were strong enough so that he tried to flee “from the presence of the LORD” (Jonah 1:3). So I’m not convinced, from a literary perspective, that we’d expect the expected at this point. We’re left wondering, I think, why it is that Jonah refused the call of God in the first chapter? The reason I am reluctant to adopt the irony view, is that it seems linked in your presentation to both humor and fiction. Reality requires that neither of these things follow from irony; nor does it require that humor implies fiction. The ESV Study Bible that I quoted from earlier has this to say about its literary features (and I think you’ll appreciate their analysis):

The book of Jonah is a literary masterpiece. While the story line is so simple that children follow it readily, the story is marked by as high a degree of literary sophistication as any book in the Hebrew Bible. The author employs structure, humor, hyperbole, irony, double entendre, and literary figures like merism to communicate his message with great rhetorical power. The first example of this sophistication is seen in the outline of the book.

The main category for the book is satire—the exposure of human vice or folly. The four elements of satire take the following form in the book of Jonah: (1) the object of attack is Jonah and what he represents—a bigotry and ethnocentrism that regarded God as the exclusive property of the believing community (in the OT, the nation of Israel); (2) the satiric vehicle is narrative or story; (3) the satiric norm or standard by which Jonah’s bad attitudes are judged is the character of God, who is portrayed as a God of universal mercy, whose mercy is not limited by national boundaries; (4) the satiric tone is laughing, with Jonah emerging as a laughable figure—someone who runs away from God and is caught by a fish, and as a childish and pouting prophet who prefers death over life without his shade tree.

Three stylistic techniques are especially important. (1) The giantesque motif—the motif of the unexpectedly large (e.g., the magnitude of the task assigned to Jonah, of the fish that swallows him, and of the repentance that Jonah’s eight-word sermon accomplishes). (2) A pervasive irony (e.g., the ironic discrepancy between Jonah’s prophetic vocation and his ignominious behavior, and the ironic impossibility of fleeing from the presence of God). (3) Humor, as Jonah’s behavior is not only ignominious but also ridiculous.
The point to make here is that these scholars nevertheless defend the historical nature of the narrative.

The main reason I am reluctant to embrace these Jonah caricatures is because this imagined literary figure does not seem to coincide with the estimation of Jonah as held by Jesus and which He expects His hearers to share: “Behold, something greater than Jonah is here” (Matt 12:41 and Luke 11:32). His few words seem to do away with all of this otherwise impressively sophisticated analysis. Consider St. Ambrose’s Jonah:

On the following day the Book of Jonah was read according to custom, after the completion of which I began this discourse. A book has been read, brethren, in which it is foretold that sinners shall be converted. Their acceptance takes place because that which is to happen is looked forward to at present. I added that the just man had been willing even to incur blame, in order not to see or denounce the destruction of the city. And because the sentence was mournful he was also saddened that the gourd had withered up. God too said to the prophet: Are you sad because of the gourd? and Jonah answered: I am sad. Jonah 4:9 And the Lord then said, that if he grieved that the gourd was withered, how much should He Himself care for the salvation of so many people. And therefore that He had put away the destruction which had been prepared for the whole city. (Letter 20, 25)

Ironically :), St. Ambrose seems to have erred to the other side of our modern day scholars!!! So that, although his interpretation makes sense of what Jesus said of Jonah, I think it creates irresolvable dissonance within the book of Jonah itself. Even still, I think we can benefit from both of these analyses and we should take away from them what we can, attempting to create a balanced figure and interpretation.
 
Fictional, humorous narratives are a great way to help people see their own prejudices and foibles. When this story began, many of the Israelites who read it must have understood Jonah’s reluctance to preach to the Ninevites. After all, the Ninevites were enemies who, in 721 BC, had conquered the northern tribes. The Ninevites were responsible for the loss of ten of the twelve tribes. Who could want them to be saved? But as the story continues Jonah, as a prophet, becomes a parody. He is so “unprophet-like” that he is obviously being ridiculed by the author. Jonah’s behavior is simply ridiculous, his position totally untenable. We see this very clearly in the incident with the castor oil plant. God arranges for a bush to grow over Jonah to give him shade. God then arranges for a worm to destroy the bush and for the sun and wind to scorch Jonah. Again, Jonah complains bitterly and begs for death. In scripture, we can read other prophets who rail against God, particularly Jeremiah. But as the historical prophets make their complaints against God, we understand the depth of their suffering and pain. Here Jonah appears as petty and silly. Still, he argues boldly with God, claiming that he has every right to be angry. God responds to Jonah’s anger by comparing Jonah’s fondness for the bush to God’s fondness for the Ninevites.
Thank you for sharing this information. This gives us another thing to consider at this point, and it goes back to Neil’s observation that the same teaching can be derived whether the teaching instrument is fiction or nonfiction. This paragraph provides a good example of where the historical interpretation highlights the providence and sovereignty of God in a way that fiction simply cannot. Both history and fiction can draw our attention to the fact that God is sovereign and providentially compassionate; but only history can establish this fact. I’ve already proposed an alternative interpretation to Jonah’s otherwise explosive reaction to the plant’s untimely demise. 🙂 And that is to consider that it is not so much the plant and its withering that have Jonah in such a tantrum; but it is everything else that has happened leading up to this point that has made the plant become the straw that broke the prophet’s composure. 🙂 He certainly does provide a perfect contrast with Job at this point in his trial: “The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord” (Job 1:21).
"Then the Lord said, “You are concerned about the bush, for which for which you did not labor and which you did not grow; it came into being in a night and perished in a night. And should I not be concerned about Ninevih, that great city, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand persons who do not know their right hand from their left, and also many animals?”

With these words the author reveals the theme of his story. God created the Ninevites just as he created the Israelites. God is loving. Therefore, God must love the Ninevites just as he loves the Israelites, even if they can’t tell their right hand from their left.

Those in the audience who might have shared Jonah’s point of view when the story began can only want to separate themselves from such a shallow and ridiculous character as the story ends. Jonah’s position becomes absurd. In separating oneself from Jonah, one separates oneself from Jonah’s petty nationalistic thinking. Perhaps God does love other nations. It becomes narrow-minded, even ridiculous, to believe anything else.
I think this is good. Although, again, I’m looking for a more balanced understanding of our prophet’s behavior and character: “something greater than Jonah is here.”

May God bless you, Patg, and thank you for sharing what you’ve learned. I think that there is benefit to be derived from your post. I hope that you’ll eventually be persuaded of the historical character of this great book from God.

“Let him, therefore, who proposes to inquire why the prophet Jonah was three days in the capacious belly of a sea monster, begin by dismissing doubts as to the fact itself; for this did actually occur” (Letter 102, To Deogratias).
 
Jesus’ knowledge about science and the cosmos was limited to what could be known in first century Palestine. His knowledge about the composition of scripture and the history of its redactions and literary history over a millennium was limited by what was known at the time.

StAnastasia
St. Thomas Aquinas disagrees with you (surprise!):
The Angelic Doctor sheds invaluable light on this subject in Summa Theologica:

“Christ’s human intellect is enriched with the fullness of infused knowledge. For, by reason of the hypostatic union, the human faculties of our Lord are as perfect as such faculties can possibly be; and to have infused knowledge is a perfection of the human mind. By divinely infused knowledge, Christ as a man knows all that any or all human minds can learn by the rational power (for instance, Christ perfectly knows all human sciences); he also knows all revealed truths, and all truths made known to the human mind by the gifts of the Holy Spirit and the gratuitous graces.” 16
 
St. Thomas Aquinas disagrees with you (surprise!):
Thomas Aquinas was ignorant of many things too. If Jesus possessed all knowledge and was all compassionate, why did leave his followers ignorant of the internal combustion engine, the light bulb, and the cure for cancer and other diseases? Did he not know he could save tens of millions of innocent children over the next two millennia from horrific suffering from smallpox, bubonic palgue, cholera, typhoid, diphtheria, measles, tetanus, etc., or did he choose to allow these children to suffer? Only a sadist or a misanthrope would willfully withhold medical knowledge that could ease the pain of many. I think Jesus was neither a sadist nor a misanthrope.

StAnastasia
 
Thomas Aquinas was ignorant of many things too. If Jesus possessed all knowledge and was all compassionate, why did leave his followers ignorant of the internal combustion engine, the light bulb, and the cure for cancer and other diseases? Did he not know he could save tens of millions of innocent children over the next two millennia from horrific suffering from smallpox, bubonic palgue, cholera, typhoid, diphtheria, measles, tetanus, etc., or did he choose to allow these children to suffer? Only a sadist or a misanthrope would willfully withhold medical knowledge that could ease the pain of many. I think Jesus was neither a sadist nor a misanthrope.

StAnastasia
You assume science answers all things. You deface the Holy Son of God and deconstruct Divine revelation to make them conform to your tainted human rationalism.

You have made a god in your own image and your god will not be able to deliver you in the final judgment.
“He who trusts in his own heart is a fool…” Proverbs 28:26
“For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, ‘He catches the wise in their own craftiness’; and again, ‘The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.’” 1 Corinthians 3:19-20
“…the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for** they are foolishness to him**; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” 1 Corinthians 2:14-15
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are saved it is the power of God. For it is written: ‘I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.’
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    "Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?        "For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men." 1 Corinthians 1:18-25
 
Thomas Aquinas was ignorant of many things too. If Jesus possessed all knowledge and was all compassionate, why did leave his followers ignorant of the internal combustion engine, the light bulb, and the cure for cancer and other diseases? Did he not know he could save tens of millions of innocent children over the next two millennia from horrific suffering from smallpox, bubonic palgue, cholera, typhoid, diphtheria, measles, tetanus, etc., or did he choose to allow these children to suffer? Only a sadist or a misanthrope would willfully withhold medical knowledge that could ease the pain of many. I think Jesus was neither a sadist nor a misanthrope.

StAnastasia
You assume science answers all things. You deface the Holy Son of God and deconstruct Divine revelation to make them conform to your tainted human rationalism.

You have made a god in your own image and your god will not be able to deliver you in the final judgment.
I think the opposite is true. It is the young earth and geocentrist crowd that wants science to “explain” everything - that is why they want to redefine science. Science says nothing about God; God has little to say about science. But the fundamentalists want to force agreement between their vision of God and their view of science.

Aquinas says that Jesus knew perfectly all that was given to man to know. That is his opinion, and he may be right. But not all was given to man to know in the first century, or today. And the difference between what first century scientists knew and what twenty-first centuries scientists now know pales beside the immensity of what man has yet to discover - and may never know. I’m sure Jesus understood well what there was to understand about the sciences in that time. But I’m also sure it was not a focus (or even a part) of His ministry.

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry when geocentrists, young earthers, and flat eathers accuse those that accept the teachings of science of being “modernists.” What is truly modernistic is the belief that God and science must fit into the same little can that contains our imperfect understanding of reality. Saying Religion and Science conflict is like saying orange conflicts with music, or the sky conflicts with philosophy - its a non-sensical comparison between unrelated concepts.
 
You assume science answers all things. You deface the Holy Son of God and deconstruct Divine revelation to make them conform to your tainted human rationalism.

You have made a god in your own image and your god will not be able to deliver you in the final judgment.
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I think the opposite is true. It is the young earth and geocentrist crowd that wants science to “explain” everything - that is why they want to redefine science. Science says nothing about God; God has little to say about science. But the fundamentalists want to force agreement between their vision of God and their view of science.

Aquinas says that Jesus knew perfectly all that was given to man to know. That is his opinion, and he may be right. But not all was given to man to know in the first century, or today. And the difference between what first century scientists knew and what twenty-first centuries scientists now know pales beside the immensity of what man has yet to discover - and may never know. I’m sure Jesus understood well what there was to understand about the sciences in that time. But I’m also sure it was not a focus (or even a part) of His ministry.

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry when geocentrists, young earthers, and flat eathers accuse those that accept the teachings of science of being “modernists.” What is truly modernistic is the belief that God and science must fit into the same little can that contains our imperfect understanding of reality. Saying Religion and Science conflict is like saying orange conflicts with music, or the sky conflicts with philosophy - its a non-sensical comparison between unrelated concepts.
I haven’t averred to any conflict between faith and science. True science can only be an ally of reason informed by the light of revelation. When you conflate contemporary unproven theories and hypotheses with science, you are out on a limb. Evolution is not science. Neither is the rationalist redaction criticism you apply to the Sacred Scriptures. Both are philosophical positions that you bring to the Word of God.

We must test the spirits (I John). The carnal/natural man cannot receive the things of the spirit of God (St Paul). One need not be a scientist nor a theologian to discern the spirit by which you are speaking.
 
When you conflate contemporary unproven theories and hypotheses with science, you are out on a limb. Evolution is not science.
Yes, the theory of evolution is central to biological science. Proposed by Darwin in 1859, it has been inexorably strengthened over the last 150 years. As evidence for the absurdity of your position, Catholic Johnny, I offer the fact that apart from Fundmentalist institutions, there is not a single department of “Creationist Biology” anywhere in the world. Even in thousands of Roman Catholic universities and colleges around the world (including the seven in which I’ve taught}, you find evolutionary biologists – priests and sisters amongst them – but no “creationist biologists.”

StAnastasia
 
If I had the power, I would require about 3/4 of the folks on this thread to read “Myth Became Fact,” a little essay by C.S. Lewis discussing the relationship between myth and the Bible, before posting anything else.

Also a short book: Where Myth and History Meet: A Christian Response to Myth.
 
Yes, the theory of evolution is central to biological science. Proposed by Darwin in 1859, it has been inexorably strengthened over the last 150 years. As evidence for the absurdity of your position, Catholic Johnny, I offer the fact that apart from Fundmentalist institutions, there is not a single department of “Creationist Biology” anywhere in the world. Even in thousands of Roman Catholic universities and colleges around the world (including the seven in which I’ve taught}, you find evolutionary biologists – priests and sisters amongst them – but no “creationist biologists.”

StAnastasia
That still doesn’t make it science. Molecules-to-man evolutionary theory is a belief, not a scientific fact. Catholic schools that teach anything against the Magisterium are scattering Christ’s flock. Micro-biology is not molecules-to-man evolution. In fact, it is not evolution at all. Adaptation of certain traits within species is not transmutation. There are no transitional fossils.

In any event, I am not willing to fall into the trap of having to defend Christ’s kerygma by using polemics against pseudo science. The Word of God is supreme and transcendent. It is sinful to adulterate any portion of divine revelation to accomodate changing and unproven scientific theories and speculations.

And I respectfully submit to you that no modern biological science processes are beholden to the pagan myth of molecules-to-man evolutionary theory.

You need to know that there are Catholic Christians out here like us who condemn the syncretism of monism and pantheism (evolution) with the Revelation of Jesus Christ. You do not have to agree, but we are here, we are witnesses to the Holy Spirit, we have the entire body of magisterial authority on our side, and we will oppose you every step of the way as you try to promulgate false doctrine among Christians.
 
You need to know that there are Catholic Christians out here like us who condemn the syncretism of monism and pantheism (evolution) with the Revelation of Jesus Christ. You do not have to agree, but we are here, we are witnesses to the Holy Spirit, we have the entire body of magisterial authority on our side, and we will oppose you every step of the way as you try to promulgate false doctrine among Christians.
Well, except for the last several Popes. 🙂
 
Well, except for the last several Popes. 🙂
Please cite a Papal Encyclical that supports your claim. I can cite several that support the Church’s:

Divino Afflante Spiritu
Lamentabili Sane
Providentissimus Deus
Humani Generis
 
You need to know that there are Catholic Christians out here like us who condemn the syncretism of monism and pantheism (evolution) with the Revelation of Jesus Christ. You do not have to agree, but we are here, we are witnesses to the Holy Spirit, we have the entire body of magisterial authority on our side, and we will oppose you every step of the way as you try to promulgate false doctrine among Christians.
The Holy Spirit is in favor of Truth, and the truth lies with biological science, not with pseudo-scientific “creationism.” I’m afraid you’ve separated yourself from the Magisterium if you insist on confusing what is of science and what is of theology. Pope Benedict has convened a conference next March at the Vatican on Catholic theology in light of evolution (I will be in attendance), and has deliberately excluded from the discussion both the position you champion, and the atheist materialism of Dawkins et al.

Young Earth and Intelligent Design biology are conducive to false doctrine when you try to shoehorn theology into their framework. We Catholics will combat your false doctrine fiercely in defense of Truth.

StAnastasia
 
L’Osservatore Romano - 10 December 2008
General Audience catechesis on St Paul’s teaching on Adam, the first man, and Christ, the second Adam
**Nothing triumphs over Christ’s light **
On Wednesday, 3 December, at the General Audience in the Vatican’s Paul vi Audience Hall, the Holy Father considered St Paul’s teaching on the relationship between Adam, the first man, and Christ, the second Adam. The following is a translation of the Pope’s Catechesis, which was given in Italian.
Dear Brothers and Sisters,
In today’s Catechesis we shall reflect on the relations between Adam and Christ, defined by St Paul in the well-known passage of the Letter to the Romans (5: 12-21) in which he gives the Church the essential outline of the doctrine on original sin.
Indeed, Paul had already introduced the comparison between our first progenitor and Christ while addressing faith in the Resurrection in the First Letter to the Corinthians: "For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive… “The first man Adam became a living being’; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit” (1 Cor 15: 22, 45).
With Romans 5: 12-21, the comparison between Christ and Adam becomes more articulate and illuminating: Paul traces the history of salvation from Adam to the Law and from the latter to Christ. At the centre of the scene it is not so much Adam, with the consequences of his sin for humanity, who is found as much as it is Jesus Christ and the grace which was poured out on humanity in abundance through him.
The repetition of the “all the more” with regard to Christ stresses that the gift received in him far surpasses Adam’s sin and its consequent effects on humanity, so that Paul could reach his conclusion: “but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more” (Rm 5: 20). The comparison that Paul draws between Adam and Christ therefore sheds light on the inferiority of the first man compared to the prevalence of the second.
On the other hand, it is precisely in order to highlight the immeasurable gift of grace in Christ that Paul mentions Adam’s sin. One could say that if it were not to demonstrate the centrality of grace, he would not have dwelt on the treatment of sin which “came into the world through one man and death through sin” (Rm 5: 12).
For this reason, if, in the faith of the Church, an awareness of the dogma of original sin developed, it is because it is inseparably linked to another dogma, that of salvation and freedom in Christ. The consequence of this is that we must never treat the sin of Adam and of humanity separately from the salvific context, in other words, without understanding them within the horizon of justification in Christ.

However, as people of today we must ask ourselves: what is this original sin? What does St Paul teach, what does the Church teach? Is this doctrine still sustainable today? Many think that in light of the history of evolution, there is no longer room for the doctrine of a first sin that then would have permeated the whole of human history. And, as a result, the matter of Redemption and of the Redeemer would also lose its foundation. Therefore, does original sin exist or not? In order to respond, we must distinguish between two aspects of the doctrine on original sin. There exists an empirical aspect, that is, a reality that is concrete, visible, I would say tangible to all. And an aspect of mystery concerning the ontological foundation of this event.
The empirical fact is that a contradiction exists in our being. On the one hand every person knows that he must do good and intimately wants to do it. Yet at the same time he also feels the other impulse to do the contrary, to follow the path of selfishness and violence, to do only what pleases him, while also knowing that in this way he is acting against the good, against God and against his neighbour.
In his Letter to the Romans St Paul expressed this contradiction in our being in this way: “I can will what is right, but I cannot do it. For I do not do the good I want, but I do the evil I do not want” (7: 18-19).
This inner contradiction of our being is not a theory. Each one of us experiences it every day. And above all we always see around us the prevalence of this second will. It is enough to think of the daily news of injustice, violence, falsehood and lust. We see it every day. It is a fact. As a consequence of this evil power in our souls, a murky river developed in history which poisons the geography of human history.
Blaise Pascal, the great French thinker, spoke of a “second nature”, which superimposes our original, good nature. This “second nature” makes evil appear normal to man. Hence even the common expression “he’s human” has a double meaning. “He’s human”, can mean: this man is good, he really acts as one should act. But “he’s human”, can also imply falsity: evil is normal, it is human. Evil seems to have become our second nature.

This contradiction of the human being, of our history, must evoke, and still evokes today, the desire for redemption. And, in reality, the desire for the world to be changed and the promise that a world of justice, peace and good will be created exists everywhere. In politics, for example, everyone speaks of this need to change the world, to create a more just world. And this is precisely an expression of the longing for liberation from the contradiction we experience within us.
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(Nothing triumphs over Christ’s light - Part 2 of 2)
Thus, the existence of the power of evil in the human heart and in human history is an undeniable fact. The question is: how can this evil be explained? In the history of thought, Christian faith aside, there exists a key explanation of this duality, with different variations.

This model says: being in itself is contradictory, it bears within it both good and evil. In antiquity, this idea implied the opinion that two equally primal principles existed: a good principle and a bad principle. This duality would be insuperable; the two principles are at the same level, so this contradiction from the being’s origin would always exist. The contradiction of our being would therefore only reflect the contrary nature of the two divine principles, so to speak.
In the evolutionist, atheist version of the world the same vision returns in a new form. Although in this conception the vision of being is monist, it supposes that being as such bears within itself both evil and good from the outset. Being itself is not simply good, but open to good and to evil. Evil is equally primal with the good. And human history would develop only the model already present in all of the previous evolution. What Christians call original sin would in reality be merely the mixed nature of being, a mixture of good and evil which, according to atheist thought, belong to the same fabric of being.
This is a fundamentally desperate view: if this is the case, evil is invincible. In the end all that counts is one’s own interest. All progress would necessarily be paid for with a torrent of evil and those who wanted to serve progress would have to agree to pay this price. Politics is fundamentally structured on these premises and we see the effects of this. In the end, this modern way of thinking can create only sadness and cynicism.

And let us therefore ask again: what does faith witnessed to by St Paul tell us? As the first point, it confirms the reality of the competition between the two natures, the reality of this evil whose shadow weighs on the whole of Creation.
We heard chapter seven of the Letter to the Romans, we shall add chapter eight. Quite simply, evil exists. As an explanation, in contrast with the dualism and monism that we have briefly considered and found distressing, faith tells us: there exist two mysteries, one of light and one of night, that is, however, enveloped by the mysteries of light.

The first mystery of light is this: faith tells us that there are not two principles, one good and one evil, but there is only one single principle, God the Creator, and this principle is good, only good, without a shadow of evil. And therefore, being too is not a mixture of good and evil; being as such is good and therefore it is good to be, it is good to live.

This is the good news of the faith: only one good source exists, the Creator. Therefore living is a good, it is a good thing to be a man or a woman life is good.

Then follows a mystery of darkness, or night. Evil does not come from the source of being itself, it is not equally primal. Evil comes from a freedom created, from a freedom abused.

How was it possible, how did it happen? This remains obscure. Evil is not logical. Only God and good are logical, are light. Evil remains mysterious. It is presented as such in great images, as it is in chapter 3 of Genesis, with that scene of the two trees, of the serpent, of sinful man: a great image that makes us guess but cannot explain what is itself illogical. We may guess, not explain; nor may we recount it as one fact beside another, because it is a deeper reality.

It remains a mystery of darkness, of night. But a mystery of light is immediately added. Evil comes from a subordinate source. God with his light is stronger. And therefore evil can be overcome. Thus the creature, man, can be healed.

The dualist visions, including the monism of evolutionism, cannot say that man is curable; but if evil comes only from a subordinate source, it remains true that man is healable. And the Book of Wisdom says: “he made the nations of the world curable” (1: 14 Vulgate).

And finally, the last point: man is not only healable, but is healed de facto. God introduced healing. He entered into history in person. He set a source of pure good against the permanent source of evil. The Crucified and Risen Christ, the new Adam, counters the murky river of evil with a river of light.
And this river is present in history: we see the Saints, the great Saints but also the humble saints, the simple faithful. We see that the stream of light which flows from Christ is present, is strong.

Brothers and sisters, it is the season of Advent. In the language of the Church the word Advent has two meanings: presence and anticipation.
Presence: the light is present, Christ is the new Adam, he is with us and among us. His light is already shining and we must open the eyes of our hearts to see the light and to enter into the river of light. Above all we must be grateful for the fact that God himself entered history as a new source of good.

But Advent also means anticipation. The dark night of evil is still strong. And therefore in Advent we pray with the ancient People of God: “Rorate caeli desuper”. And we pray insistently: come Jesus; come, give power to light and to good; come where falsehood, ignorance of God, violence and injustice predominate. **Come Lord Jesus, give power to the good in the world and help us to be bearers of your light, peacemakers, witnesses of the truth. Come, Lord Jesus! ** :signofcross:
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The Holy Spirit is in favor of Truth, and the truth lies with biological science, not with pseudo-scientific “creationism.” I’m afraid you’ve separated yourself from the Magisterium if you insist on confusing what is of science and what is of theology. Pope Benedict has convened a conference next March at the Vatican on Catholic theology in light of evolution (I will be in attendance), and has deliberately excluded from the discussion both the position you champion, and the atheist materialism of Dawkins et al.

Young Earth and Intelligent Design biology are conducive to false doctrine when you try to shoehorn theology into their framework. We Catholics will combat your false doctrine fiercely in defense of Truth.

StAnastasia
  1. Truth is not derived from the faculties of human reason alone. And scientific “truth” must hold up to the empirical, objective testing and rigorous peer review. As such, you know that evolution can never be science.
  2. You cannot produce one syllable of official Catholic Teaching that supports theistic evolution. I can produce several Encyclicals and writings of the Fathers and Doctors of the Church that support Special Creation and the literal interpretation of Genesis 1-11.
  3. Until an Encyclical emerges with the impramatur and nihil obstat of the Roman Catholic Church supporting your position, I will side with explicit and unambiguous positions that Church has taken for 2 millenia.
“Not one jot nor tittle of the Law shall fail til all be fulfilled in the Reign of God. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my Words shall never pass away.”
 
  1. Truth is not derived from the faculties of human reason alone. And scientific “truth” must hold up to the empirical, objective testing and rigorous peer review./I]
Which evolution has done since 1859; which ID and YEC never have done. Retain your quaint beliefs – they are are harmless and irrelevant to both the church and the academy. That’s why they have been excluded from Pope Benedict’s upcoming conference.

StAnastasia
 
Which evolution has done since 1859; which ID and YEC never have done. Retain your quaint beliefs – they are are harmless and irrelevant to both the church and the academy. That’s why they have been excluded from Pope Benedict’s upcoming conference.
StAnastasia
Pope Benedict XVI
L’Osservatore Romano - 10 December 2008
General Audience catechesis on St Paul’s teaching on Adam, the first man, and Christ, the second Adam
In the evolutionist, atheist version of the world the same vision returns in a new form. Although in this conception the vision of being is monist, it supposes that being as such bears within itself both evil and good from the outset. Being itself is not simply good, but open to good and to evil. Evil is equally primal with the good. And human history would develop only the model already present in all of the previous evolution. What Christians call original sin would in reality be merely the mixed nature of being, a mixture of good and evil which, according to atheist thought, belong to the same fabric of being.

This is a fundamentally desperate view: if this is the case, evil is invincible. In the end all that counts is one’s own interest. All progress would necessarily be paid for with a torrent of evil and those who wanted to serve progress would have to agree to pay this price. Politics is fundamentally structured on these premises and we see the effects of this. In the end, this modern way of thinking can create only sadness and cynicism.
Monism maintains that there is no real distinction between God and the universe. Either God is indwelling in the universe as a part of it, not distinct from it (pantheistic Immanentism), or the universe does not exist at all as a reality (Acosmism), but only as a manifestation or phenomenon of God.
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