SDA and the Trinity

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Hi folks,

in another thread we’ve been talking about the Trinity and the SDA.
But I’m afraid I can’t find it anymore! 😦

So I decided to start this thread here, as I’ve found something interesting on wikipedia:

A poster in mentioned thread stated that SDA don’t believe in the Trinity.
But know I’ve found this: The CSDA (Creation Seventh-Day Adventitst) view was held by the great majority of the early Seventh-day Adventist leadership, however was abandoned in favor of the Trinity doctrine by the Seventh-day Adventist denomination in the mid-20th century.[45]
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The SDA’s indeed use the phrase; Father, Son & Holy Spirit, however they mean something theologically "vastly’ different…
…Some examples from the great SDA prophet Ellen White.
…& well known Seventh-day Adventist publications.

Ellen White, 1888 Great Controversy 493.1
Christ the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father,–one in nature, in character, and in purpose,–the only being in all the universe that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. By Christ, the Father wrought in the creation of all heavenly beings. “By him were all things created, that are in Heaven, . . . whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers;” [COL. 1:16.] and to Christ, equally with the Father, all Heaven gave allegiance. {GC88 493.1}
SDA Review and Herald Paper:
Question to the Editor:

Will you please favor me with those scriptures which plainly say that
Christ is a created being ? J. c.

ANSWER :
You are mistaken in supposing that S. D. Adventists teach that Christ was ever created. They believe, on the contrary, that he was “begotten” of the Father, and that he can properly be called God and worshiped as such. They believe, also, that the worlds, and everything which is, was created by Christ in conjunction with the Father. They believe, however, that somewhere in the eternal ages of the past there was a point at which Christ came into existence. They think that it is necessary that God should have antedated Christ in his being, in order that Christ could have been begotten of him, and sustain to him the relation of son
. They hold to the distinct personality of the Father and Son, *rejecting as absurd that feature of Trinitarianisna which insists that God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit are three persons, and yet but one person. S. D Adventists hold that God and Christ are one in the sense that Christ prayed that his disciples might be one ; i. e., one in spirit, purpose, and labor*. See " Fundamental Principles of S. D.Adventists," published at this Office. Price, 4 cts.
“We are to be partakers of knowledge. As I have seen pictures representing Satan coming to Christ in the wilderness of temptation in the form of a hideous monster, I have thought, How little the artists knew of the Bible! Before his fall, Satan WAS, next to CHRIST, the highest angel in heaven”. Ellen White Review Herald January 14, 1909

These quotes are not anomalies as both the writings of Ellen White and SDA denominational publications are saturated with them…
…Ellen White, along with the SDA Church believed the Holy Spirit to be an influence of God or Christ.
…Much like a “conference call” conducted via telephone.
Signs of the Times:
3829 — The Holy Spirit n Personality?

Question:
Can’t we say that the Holy Spirit is a
personality, as long as the personal pronoun
is attributed to it? T. A. Z.

Answer:
The use of the personal pronoun is not of itself proof that the Holy Spirit is a personality, and yet the work of the Spirit is the work of a personality. By the Spirit both the Father and the Son come personally to every soul that receives the Spirit. In that wonderful sense which no human being can comprehend, the Spirit comes to each soul as a personality. And yet it does not have what we would call human personality of being in one place only at one time, that is, such personality as has our Lord Himself — in one place as He is in no other place. The Holy Spirit may be in any number of places at one and the same time, bringing the special presence of God in each of those places. In the office of the “Signs of the Times” there are fourteen different telephones all connecting with the manager. The manager may connect all these with him at one and the same time. He could issue a general order so that the foreman of each department could hear his voice at the same time. In a way he is personally present in every department. Every department hears his voice. The marvelous invention of the telephone makes him present in fifteen different places at the same time. So it is that God’s Spirit makes the Father and the Son present in as many different places as God may direct, at one and the same time. We know somewhat of the working. We understand how it is to some extent of the Lord’s ways and methods. We see the effects, but we know almost nothing of the nature and the power that Infinity uses to communicate with man. Let us be willing to leave it there. In some instances the Spirit is represented as the great life of God. In some it is spoken of as a power that is poured out and shed forth. To the individual it comes as the representative of the personal God. Therefore it may be spoken of as a personality, and looking at it from another view-point, as not a personality.
 
Signs of the Times:
Question:
Please explain in the Question Corner John 16:7, 13. Is the Holy Spirit a personality? Are the words “Him” and “he” masculine pronouns? Please explain what the meaning of the Holy Ghost is in 2 Peter 1:21. W. E. H.

Answer:
The pronouns in the above question are, of course, in the English, masculine pronouns, but they do not have the same distinction in the Greek. For instance the term “he” in verse 13, is in the original ekeinos, which is not a pronoun, but a pronominal adjective, properly translated “that.” It is used in Matt. 17:27 referring to the Koman coin which was used to pay temple taxes. That which really has no gender at all, but which is noted as being strong and big, is spoken of as masculine; while things of a softer, gentler nature are spoken of as feminine. That same distinction is to quite an extent observed in the English language also. **We speak of a battle-ship as a “man-of-war;” we speak of an ordinary ship as "she."It is that which is represented as proceeding forth from both Father and Son, and common to both Father and Son; that which makes Father and Son one, and that life which connects Jesus with all His true disciples wherever they may be. It is not a personality in the sense in which Jesus was a personality when here upon earth; because if that had been the case it would not have been expedient for Him to go away **(John 16:7), because He in His personality could be in only one place at a time, but the Spirit could be everywhere, as 'implied in Psalm 139, “Whither shall I go from Thy Spirit? or whither shall I flee from Thy presence?” But there is this power with the Spirit of making Christ, or the Father, present everywhere at all times in response to faith. We have a very weak illustration of this in the telephone and in later inventions, by which a manager in his office, for instance — that office covering a half mile of territory, which could be enlarged to an almost unlimited extent — can call every foreman in every department to any number, and talk with them all at the same time, just as tho he were present with each one. That invention has the power to make that manager personally present in each department. That in a limited way shows how it is that the Holy Spirit can make Christ present in all parts of His great dominion at the same time,— just as truly present as though He were in His own personality present.
Revew and Herald said:
Is God a Spirit?

Question:
If God is a spirit (John 4:24) and at the same time a person (Dan 7:9) would not the same reasoning prove that the Holy Spirit is a PERSON as referred to in John 4: 26?

Answer:
**NO **- For God is elsewhere described and represented as a Person; but the Holy Spirit is not. The fact that the Holy Spirit is personified John 14 and thus spoken of as acting in a personal and individual manner does NOT prove it to be a person any more than the fact that love is spoken of in 1 Cor 13 as performing certain acts and exercising certain emotions, prove that charity or love is a person

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Review and Herald:
  1. What is the meaning of the expression, “another
    comforter,” in John 14 :16? 2. Please explain 1 John 16 : 13.
  2. If the Holy Spirit is not a person, what is meant in 1 John 5:7? A. O.
Ans.—1. Christ is himself a comforter ; and while he was here upon the earth, the disciples rested in his personal presence. But he was about to go away, and what would compensate them for the loss of his presence ?—He promises, ‘’ I will send you another comforter " in my place, that is, the Holy Spirit.
  1. John 16:13 describes the work of the Holy
    Spirit, and it is so connected with the Father and
    the Son that it is itself personified and spoken of as
    doing what the Father and the Son do through it
    .
  2. 1 John 5 : 7 is an interpolation
Ellen White, Youth Instructor July 7, 1898, para 2
“The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted”
 
Ellen White:
In order that the human family might have no excuse because of temptation, Christ became one with them. **The only being who was one with God **lived the law in humanity, descended to the lowly life of a common laborer, and toiled at the carpenter’s bench with his earthly parent.
(Ellen White:
Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself divested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent.
Important to NOTE: When SDA’s use the word “Personality” it simply means that God and Christ have a “body” of flesh…
…Of course Catholics believe that Jesus is now God the Son in a Glorified Body, the same ‘flesh’ of the Incarnation only Glorified.
…SDA’s believe God ( as in the Father, the ONLY wise God ), also has always had a body of flesh.
…Along with Lucifer, etc.

I would say be VERY cautious of accepting the Trinity of SDAism as it is alien to Catholic teaching…
…Again, this is merely a drop in the bucket as far as SDA teachings on the “Trinity” goes.

The SDA denomination teaches that Christ was capable of mutating from sinless Christ to a sinful Christ…
…Therefore Christ could have sinned and lost His Salvation.
…Had this happened the SDA teaching is that “God” would have permanently killed Christ.
…And Christ would have forever ceased to exist.

I could be wrong but I don’t believe the SDA Trinity is the same as the Catholic Trinity.
 
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