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I know its false but it kinda seems weird how the date of when the Pope first got to practice secular authority and when napoleon exiled the Pope during the French rev is exactly 1260 years apart
 
Ive looked at other anti Catholic myths and found them laughable, but this one seems to have actual facts and the only refution might be to write it off as a big coincidence.
 
Ah yes, my childhood is calling out to me again. I grew up with this theory. I heard it my whole life. It is a numerological study of history to make sense of the books of Daniel and Revelation.

I will tell you how I moved on from it. Realize that they are interpreting a literary work in a strictly literal manner. So when the Bible says a day equals a year, then that must be literally true. 1260 comes from the verse talking about time, times, and half a time. That means a time is a year, or 360 days in the jewish calendar, so calculated into 1260 years.

That kind of reverse prophetic study is inherently biased from the viewpoint of the student. If one is looking for significant dates to fit into a set timeline, that’s easy. If I wanted to say that its talking about Islam, I could easily say that the prophecy was from 616 to 1876 denoting the rise of Mohammed to the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

But that’s silly. That’s interjecting a personal perspective into something entirely non-personal. Remember the Sda movement was born out of the Great Dissappointment of 1844. Applying a historical method to prophecy which is decidedly outside the realm of history (in that our concept of time and relationship to time does not necessarily apply) is inherently ineffective.

Even after all that, the entire focus of the Sda perspective is that of the temporal power of the papacy. But that’s missing the whole story. It’s ignoring the centuries of deference to the Roman See before Justinian by the whole Church. It’s ignoring that the papacy wasn’t always in Rome. It’s ignoring the fact that Christ Himself established the Church and promised it wouldn’t fall.

But if that doesn’t convince you, there is yet another possibility. Maybe they’re right (doubt it). Maybe the Papacy is what the prophecy is speaking of (not likely). That still doesn’t change the fact that the Catholic Church was and is and always will be the Church of Jesus Christ. Look, the Israelites weren’t spoken of very highly throughout the Old Testament. They constantly failed God. Well surprise, the Church does too. But God gave us His promise, and we must obey Him.
 
I was doing some reading last night and justiains rule wasent the first time the pope got secular authority over all the Christians, that was in 380 when Catholicism became the Nations religion, it even says in the document the Pope had the life and dead of heretics in his hands. It the prohecy would start anywhere it would be here
 
And again, they’re still trying to justify 538, just through another means. And still
  1. They obsess of the Justinian Code, as if that particular corpus of civil law exalts the Papacy. When in fact, Nicene Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire under Theodosius in 380, one hundred fifty-eight years prior. But of course 380+1260 is 1640, during which occurred…nothing of note. Some English things here and there, some revolts here and there.
  2. And then they also still obsess of 1798, as if the capture of the Pope “ended” his power. When in fact, it was still 1870 that was the definitive end of the Papal States and the Pope’s temporal rule. 1798 was nothing compared to 1870, but 1260 years prior to 1870 takes us to 610 during which occurred…nothing.
And of course, EGW published her stuff The Great Controversy in 1858, so for a “prophet”, she didn’t really see 1870 coming, did she? All she had was 1798, but while 1798 was a pretty bad blow, it was hardly the end of Papal power.
 
In all honesty, it’s nearly impossible to argue with a SDA and win. You have to know your history AND Bible really well… Just pray for them and live the best Christian life you can.
 
Wasent the point of 1798 of event supposed to be a wound, not a destruction
 
Fatima-Crusader said:
Wasent the point of 1798 of event supposed to be a wound, not a destruction
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There have been tons of other “wounds”, before and after.

Napoleon’s actions, despicable as they were, hardly impacted the power of the papacy. They just elected another Pope.

If they want a “wound”, then it’s 1870, which ended the Pope’s temporal power, without destroying the Papacy.
 
I just seen an SDA say thag in Rev 12 the passage
And the serpent sent out from his mouth, after the woman, water like a river, so that he might cause her to be carried away by the river. 16But the earth assisted the woman. And the earth opened her mouth and absorbed the river, which the dragon sent out from his mouth.

Means the united states and how the refromers got away from “evil Rome”, these people have such a crazy view on scripture
 
It is no more weird than if it had been 1225 years apart, or 1097, or 1373 years apart; people start from the given and work backwards (literally and figuratively).
 
porthos11 said:
Really? The Pope got to practice secular authority in 538?
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Great point to consider.

I took the liberty to answer this question on the new thread below
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SDA Adventist claim 538 AD – 1798 AD = 1260 years prove the Papacy is the Anti-Christ and that Catholic Church oppressed God’s peoples Non-Catholic Religions
SDA Adventist claim 538 AD – 1798 AD = 1260 years prove the Papacy is the Anti-Christ and that Catholic Church oppressed God’s peoples. On another thread the question was asked Since many people today believe the Catholic Church oppressed people in the “Dark Ages” it is good to respond by educating them about two particular Popes who lived holy lives. SDA Adventist claim 538 AD – 1798 AD = 1260 years prove the Papacy is the Anti-Christ Their interpretation of Revelation chapters 11 – 13 is …
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