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The Catholic church was born at Pentecost. All her members since then are able to trace their apostolic successors directly back to the apostles themselves. The Holy Spirit has confirmed these with signs and wonders.
The Catholic church possessed the letters of the apostles and used them in her liturgies underground during the 400 year persecutions. Who later canonized (measured them as authentic apostolic teachings and letters) them 400 hundred years later under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit as the New Testament we have today.
If the Catholic Church has the power to bind and loose from God to canonize which books are inspired of God and which books are not and has the protection of the Holy spirit to take a revelation from God such as the Trinity and make it binding “doctrine” on all Christian believers, 400 years after the resurrection of Jesus. The list goes on on how the Catholic church defended the Apostolic teachings handed down to her from Jesus and the apostles.
Her liturgical faith dates back to biblical times unchanged today in the Catholic Rite, and is recorded in the New Testament. If you don’t believe the Catholic Church’s historical witness from the bible and Apostolic successors?
The secular powers from pagan Rome record in their court proceedings putting to death Popes, bishops and went as far as outlawing the Catholic Church for the next 400 years after Pentecost. The Jewish religion gives testimony that Jesus founded the Catholic Church upon Peter our first Pope.
Those eyewitnesses both secular and non christian are the ones who confirm the Catholic faith from biblical times to the present. In fact the Catholic Church has outlived many recorded nations and kingdoms which have come and left. Yet the Catholic Church has never forgotten them from her historical records.
You are right, The Protestant reformers introduced a “NEW TEACHING OF THE BODY OF CHRIST” as being a different body of believers, interpreting new teachings (sola theologies never heard of before) and a new “spiritual” (symbolic) gospel which gives freedom to different believers to interpret what the books of the bible teach, uniting all protestants under this freedom and new teachings that though believing differently all fall under the “Church”.
1600 years before the reformers the Christian world was Catholic, and all those since Pentecost witnessed from the scriptures to today believe the same, that the Catholic Church is the body of Christ, because of Jesus True presence in the economy of His Sacraments.
Christ never needs to reform his Body the Church, If anything, Jesus needs and has reformed the disciplines of Her members, just as reformed Peter who denied Him three times, yet Jesus never left Peter and Jesus has never left us orphans.
I disagree with you on “it comes down to whom faith is placed in and in whose interpretations are believed”. This is not about a challenge of interpretations or how it comes down to whom faith is placed. The point is God has revealed His Son to us, Jesus has revealed the Father and the Holy Spirit to our humanity. The Catholic Church preaches Christ Crucified, just walk in one and you will view a crucifix in every Catholic Church.
The Catholic church did not interpret, she was given the revelations from God, the Catholic church is commissioned by Jesus to go out in every nation and people in every age of time and “do this in memory of me”, teach, feed and baptise. This the Catholic Church has remained loyal to her commission from God in the Holy Spirit. Why? because her members were there to receive the commissioning from Jesus and handed it on to their successors down to today and will continue to fulfill her commission until Jesus returns for His bride finding her in obedience to her commission.
The New protestant teachings and new interpretation of “Church” teaches contrary to what God has already revealed through His only begotten Son Jesus. That is why Jesus named His Church Rock, so that she cannot change or invent new teachings, The Catholic Church can only give what God has given her, she does not (interpret) do this on her own.
The Catholic Church was given the power to bind and loose and protect by defending the revelations given to her by God, against those things which have come against her and continue to come against the revelations of God, given to her to reveal to every people, nation and tongue in every age.
The Catholic church does not compete to gain popularity with an interpretation. She only proclaims Christ crucified and lives by this example. The Catholic church does not protest against no one, and She does not deny God’s savings grace to no one, nor does she deny that God can save anyone He wills to. This thing the Catholic Church does know, that she was commissioned to tend, feed the sheep and lambs who are “called” into the flock of Jesus.
If your thinking the Catholic church is doing something other than this, then you are misinformed.
Peace be with you
The Catholic church possessed the letters of the apostles and used them in her liturgies underground during the 400 year persecutions. Who later canonized (measured them as authentic apostolic teachings and letters) them 400 hundred years later under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit as the New Testament we have today.
If the Catholic Church has the power to bind and loose from God to canonize which books are inspired of God and which books are not and has the protection of the Holy spirit to take a revelation from God such as the Trinity and make it binding “doctrine” on all Christian believers, 400 years after the resurrection of Jesus. The list goes on on how the Catholic church defended the Apostolic teachings handed down to her from Jesus and the apostles.
Her liturgical faith dates back to biblical times unchanged today in the Catholic Rite, and is recorded in the New Testament. If you don’t believe the Catholic Church’s historical witness from the bible and Apostolic successors?
The secular powers from pagan Rome record in their court proceedings putting to death Popes, bishops and went as far as outlawing the Catholic Church for the next 400 years after Pentecost. The Jewish religion gives testimony that Jesus founded the Catholic Church upon Peter our first Pope.
Those eyewitnesses both secular and non christian are the ones who confirm the Catholic faith from biblical times to the present. In fact the Catholic Church has outlived many recorded nations and kingdoms which have come and left. Yet the Catholic Church has never forgotten them from her historical records.
You are right, The Protestant reformers introduced a “NEW TEACHING OF THE BODY OF CHRIST” as being a different body of believers, interpreting new teachings (sola theologies never heard of before) and a new “spiritual” (symbolic) gospel which gives freedom to different believers to interpret what the books of the bible teach, uniting all protestants under this freedom and new teachings that though believing differently all fall under the “Church”.
1600 years before the reformers the Christian world was Catholic, and all those since Pentecost witnessed from the scriptures to today believe the same, that the Catholic Church is the body of Christ, because of Jesus True presence in the economy of His Sacraments.
Christ never needs to reform his Body the Church, If anything, Jesus needs and has reformed the disciplines of Her members, just as reformed Peter who denied Him three times, yet Jesus never left Peter and Jesus has never left us orphans.
I disagree with you on “it comes down to whom faith is placed in and in whose interpretations are believed”. This is not about a challenge of interpretations or how it comes down to whom faith is placed. The point is God has revealed His Son to us, Jesus has revealed the Father and the Holy Spirit to our humanity. The Catholic Church preaches Christ Crucified, just walk in one and you will view a crucifix in every Catholic Church.
The Catholic church did not interpret, she was given the revelations from God, the Catholic church is commissioned by Jesus to go out in every nation and people in every age of time and “do this in memory of me”, teach, feed and baptise. This the Catholic Church has remained loyal to her commission from God in the Holy Spirit. Why? because her members were there to receive the commissioning from Jesus and handed it on to their successors down to today and will continue to fulfill her commission until Jesus returns for His bride finding her in obedience to her commission.
The New protestant teachings and new interpretation of “Church” teaches contrary to what God has already revealed through His only begotten Son Jesus. That is why Jesus named His Church Rock, so that she cannot change or invent new teachings, The Catholic Church can only give what God has given her, she does not (interpret) do this on her own.
The Catholic Church was given the power to bind and loose and protect by defending the revelations given to her by God, against those things which have come against her and continue to come against the revelations of God, given to her to reveal to every people, nation and tongue in every age.
The Catholic church does not compete to gain popularity with an interpretation. She only proclaims Christ crucified and lives by this example. The Catholic church does not protest against no one, and She does not deny God’s savings grace to no one, nor does she deny that God can save anyone He wills to. This thing the Catholic Church does know, that she was commissioned to tend, feed the sheep and lambs who are “called” into the flock of Jesus.
If your thinking the Catholic church is doing something other than this, then you are misinformed.
Peace be with you
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This thread is not about “Did the Catholic Church get it right?” or so 