SDAs were kinda sneaky!

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Brian, she deserves to be disciplined for lying to you. You might save someone else. Write them and let them know what happened. If enough people do then maybe they will change their tactics and be more honest. At my seminary and parish they routinely put tracts on our cars. Next time I plan on taking my own advice.
 
Is it really accurate to say that the SDA salesperson “lied?”
There are such things as lies by omission. You lead someone to believe one thing for one purpose when you know that if you disclosed the whole story that the person would come to an entirely different conclusion. I call that lying.
 
told me how she’d always admired the faithfulness of Catholics
I have had many arguements with SDA and their sub-groups, where they have posted to my email address anti-Catholic materal some of which has been extremely offencive. I have always replied.

At the end of the last ‘debate’ where we were both quoting scripture, they gave up but added ‘they love their Catholic brothers and sisters’. I found that astonishing.

Last Year, JP2 was described in their literature as 'the anti-Christ.This year, I notice they have had a paradigm shift, they are now acknowedging that he was a ‘very holy man’ and ‘much loved’.

They are getting there. 👍
 
Just don’t call my Mother the “whore of babylon” and then say you love me. I won’t buy it.
 
I have had many arguements with SDA and their sub-groups, where they have posted to my email address anti-Catholic materal some of which has been extremely offencive. I have always replied

At the end of the last ‘debate’ where we were both quoting scripture, they gave up but added ‘they love their Catholic brothers and sisters’. I found that astonishing.
Adventists, even my adventist relatives, always reassure me they ‘Love the people but not the system’. I reply the Church is the body of Christ, not a system, and you can’t separate out our people from our Church. ARRRRRRGH…
Last Year, JP2 was described in their literature as 'the anti-Christ.This year, I notice they have had a paradigm shift, they are now acknowledging that he was a ‘very holy man’ and ‘much loved’.

They are getting there. 👍
I don’ t see any ‘progress’. If they have softened towards JPII its only because they now are attacking our current Holy Father as anti-Christ.
 
As far as the OP’s thread… SDAs are sneaky about their
‘literature evangelists’.

The fact that they do not identify themselves as SDAs is how they are taught, its not that one girl’s choice or style.

Ellen White wrote a book and many articles about how to be a ‘Colporteur’ (their word for someone who sells religious books as a form of evangelism).

The goal of making converts this way is alive and well in their current organization.

theliteratureevangelist.com/55,000_Literature_Evangelists_By_2010

A few years ago, I found a set of ‘Bible Stories’ on the shelf of our Catholic school library. The big blue covered set you often see advertised in doctor’s and dentists offices. I immediately recognized it as SDA literature.

The one volume of ‘Bible Stories’ you find in the doctor’s waiting rooms does not identify it as Seventh-day Adventist, and it seems innocent enough, bible stories with nice full color full page illustrations. If you send in the card for information on the full set, you get a visit from an SDA literature evangelist. Not only will they sell you the Bible Stories set at a hefty price (When I was an Adventist over 25 years ago it was close to two hundred dollars, I have no idea what its current price is like), they will try to sell you ‘history’ books (Great controversy and other EGW books), and ‘bible study’ books, but will never identify any of it as SDA in origin unless hard pressed and maybe not even then.

One thing they will not tell you about the set of Bible stories they sell is that the set you get is not really like the sample copy. In the full set sold to people, Adventist interpretations of the bible are presented with the stories, even controversial items like the state of the dead and the idea that Sunday is the wrong day of worship.

When I found a copy of this deceptive trash in our parish, I took a volume to our parish priest and showed him how the contents contradicted Catholic teaching. The set was removed from the shelves and destroyed.

Here’s a link to a copy of this set for sale on ebay, so you can identify it. This set is all over the place and most have no idea that its adventist in origin and presentation.

cgi.ebay.com/Complete-10-Volume-Bible-Story-Arthur-Maxwell-Children_W0QQitemZ230091184272QQihZ013QQcategoryZ279QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Its subtle, you have to read the stories closely looking for the adventist slant but its there. I would not have them around any children I was responsible for, they are intended to cause people to question mainstream Christian interpretations of the bible.

Selling the Great Controversy as ‘history’ is over the top. Anyone who thinks the GC is accurate history is totally sucked into Adventist think.

MarysRoses
 
A number of posters in this thread have said that this girl was sneaky, a liar, and dishonest. I disagree. She presented a product that no doubt was in comformity with her beliefs. She did not pretend to be someone who she wasn’t, although she also did not advertise who she was. I don’t think that honesty requires her to volunteer that information, althought it certainly requires her to answer truthfully when asked.
 
I’ve known some SDA groups to picket Catholic churches. My grandfather actualy got into a fight with an SDA pastor once- funny story actualy.

Anyway, these people are extremely anti-Catholic, and have been known to use slander and lies to achieve their purposes (remember, this is the group that claimed on the Papal Crown was to be found the title Vicarius Filii Dei (Vicar of the Son of God) and in Latin numerology the numbers would add up to 666, when the actual title borne by the Holy Father is *Vicarius Chrirsti *(Vicar of Christ), not to mention that in Latin the u in Vicarius would really be a v, hence throwing off the whole calculation- and of course, there are no words on any of the Papal Crowns).
 
Okay, time for an update!!!

Today, I had a knock on my door. Yep, SDAs from the local church! They were responding to my request for bible study materials. Wow, didn’t know they’d deliver them in person. So, they gave me two little tracts to read. They asked what my interests were. I told them I had bought The Great Controversy. Then they asked me if I “had a church home.” I told them yes, I was a faithful Catholic. This kinda tripped them up and one of the men said “Well, uh, you know, TGC is a faithful history of Christianity from early times. You can find everything it’s saying in other places like encyclopedias.” I told him I understood the positions in the book as I had been raised Baptist. They then asked me if they could bring me another lesson next week, to which I guiltily replied yes. I didn’t realize next week was Easter Sunday!!! I just feel too plain guilty to speak with them again on a such an occasion! They closed by inviting me to stop by their church some time and said they’d see me again!

What do I do now? I was just trying to be hospitable and have no intention of attending their church! I hate to taint Easter Sunday by entertaining people who have such disdain for Christ’s Church! I’m just too nice sometimes. Should I call their church up or something and tell them I’d rather they not come back by?

I had sent an email to the college that sent the book selling girl-telling them I didn’t approve of their methods but I never got a reply…:(:o:confused:
 
If they come on Easter you could get into an extended talk about just how central the Resurrection is to your Christianity. Go on and on about it. SDAs typically don’t even celebrate Easter and have very little idea what Easter actually means to Christians.

There’s a reason Easter is the main feast in the whole Church year…

There’s been some good discussion of Easter on the Former Adventist Fellowship online forum. Most of us formers are completely amazed how much the Resurrection means to us after the “veil was removed” and we lost our SDA glasses.

You could try and get your SDA friends to read St Athanasius’ “On the Incarnation”… it gives a pretty thorough explanation of salvation and could clue them in to why Christians like to celebrate Easter.

Jeremiah
 
SDAs typically don’t even celebrate Easter and have very little idea what Easter actually means to Christians.
Jeremiah
Wow–this really surprises me. I figured SDAs would celebrate Easter on Saturday night (out of fear of celebrating it on Sunday). Do they have any special service for Easter? How about on Holy Thursday and Good Friday?

This makes me really sad for some reason. They are missing out on such an important part of our Christian faith.

Sincerely,

Maria1212
 
Brian,
This is your chance to evangelize them. Prepare a presentation for them this Saturday. Afterward invite them to attend the Easter Vigil with you. If they don’t bite they won’t be back.
 
Well, they were wanting to come Easter Sunday! Perhaps email and ask for Saturday instead? If I can track them down… I dunno, I’m just kinda disturbed by the whole thing. Let this be a lesson to all of you who guiltily by or accept literature from one of these groups…
 
Well, they were wanting to come Easter Sunday! Perhaps email and ask for Saturday instead? If I can track them down… I dunno, I’m just kinda disturbed by the whole thing. Let this be a lesson to all of you who guiltily by or accept literature from one of these groups…
LOL… just ask them next week to explain the importance of Easter and how they celebrate it in their Churches. Explain that you really love the honor and importance given to Christ’s resurrection in the Catholic Church, and as Christians, would guess they have some great Easter traditions too. 😉

Ask them how they celebrated and taught their children about Palm Sunday last week. Ask what kind of program their church will be having for Pentecost Sunday… all very special days in the life of Christ and the Church.

If they dont have satisfactory answers for you, them explain to them that you are very interested in a religion which is Christ centered, and you dont understand why they ignore so much of the highlights of Chris’s life. Let them know you appreciate their gestures, but that you would prefer to remain in a church that is more Christ centered and really celebrates the wonderful things that Christ did on earth and for each of us.
 
THE WALDENSES KEPT THE SABBATH

The Waldenses were a body of Christians who stood aloof from the church in its alliance with the secular power, and consequently remained free from many of the corruptions and Pagan notions which the heathens had incorporated into their religion when they came into the national church. Moshiem in his Church History, Vol.I, p. 352, says “They complained that the Roman Church had degenerated under Constantine the great, from its primitive purity and sanctity. They denied the supremacy of the Roman Pontiff.”

Robinson, in the History of Baptism, says, “They were called Sabbati and Sabbatati, so named from the Hebrew word Sabbath, because they kept Saturday for the Lord’s day.”

Jones, in his Church History, says that because they would not observe saints’ days, they were falsely supposed to neglect the Sabbath also.

A commissioner of Charles XII, of France, reported that he found among them none of the ceremonies, images, or signs, of the Romish Church, much less the crimes with which they were charged; on the contrary they kept the Sabbath-day, observed the ordinance of baptism according to the primitive church, and instructed their children in the articles of the Christian faith and commandments of God.

SUNDAY-KEEPING A HUMAN ORDINANCE.

In proof that the early church did not consider the first day sacred, we find, besides the testimony of the New Testament, that early ecclesiastical writers did not consider the keeping of Sunday an institution of divine appointment. In this respect there is a great difference between early and modern writers. Thus Wm. Tyndale, in the sixteenth century, said it was changed by men to put a difference between Christians and Jews. But as long as it has no sanction in the Bible, it is as if we should worship idols to put a difference between us and the Jews, who were forbidden idolatry in the same law that commanded to keep the Sabbath.

Bishop Cranmer, who was born in 1489, said they observed the Sunday according to the judgment or will of the magistrates; which is no better warrant than Daniel would have had to cease to worship God for the king’s order.

Melancthon, who wrote in behalf of the German Reformers, said it was not founded on any apostolical law, but rested solely on tradition; but our Saviour, when on the earth, sharply rebuked those superstitious ones who made void the commandment of God by their tradition. Does not Jesus in his gospel yet speak to us? Are not his words left on record for our instruction? Then let us leave traditions which lead us to transgress the commandment of God.

Eusebius, in the early part of the fourth century, said, “All things whatsoever that it was the duty to do on the Sabbath, these we have transferred to the Lord’s day, [meaning thereby Sunday,] as more appropriately belonging to it, because it had a precedence, and is first in rank, and is more honorable than the Jewish Sabbath;” meaning thereby the seventh day. Upon this we remark, (1.) The seventh day was not and is not the Jewish Sabbath, but the Lord’s Sabbath. (2.) God put more honor upon the seventh day than upon the first day. (3.) Its sanctity did not depend upon its precedence in the week of days, but upon the express act of God, who hallowed the Sabbath, or seventh day. And (4.) the keeping of the Sabbath-day cannot with safety be made to rest on the will of man to the neglect of the commandment of God.

Sunday-keeping was enforced in the cities of the Roman Empire in A. D. 321, by Constantine, who still permitted labor in the country on that day. But in 538, when the civil power was transferred to the church, and Western Rome came under Papal rule, the council of Orleans prohibited the country labor also. It was not generally observed in the Eastern churches till some time after.

Neander, the learned and justly celebrated historian, says, “The festival of Sunday, like all other festivals, was always only a human ordinance; and it was far from the intention of the apostles to establish a divine command in this respect; far from them and the early apostolic church, to transfer the laws of the Sabbath to Sunday. Perhaps at the end of the second century, a false application of this kind had begun to take place; for men appear by that time to have considered laboring on Sunday as a sin.”
 
It was not kept in England and Scotland till the thirteenth century, although Christianity was introduced and societies formed in Scotland as early as the fifth century, and in England, it is probable, in the first century. Parliament was held in England on Sunday until the time of Richard II, when at the instigation of the Roman church, it was adjourned till the following day, and Sunday-keeping was established by law; and since that time many Sabbath-keepers have suffered severe persecutions, because of their adherence to the Sabbath of the Bible. Laws for the observance of Sunday were, through the influence of the Pope of Rome, passed in England before that time, but on account of an aversion to the change on the part of the people they were not effectual.

In America, also, some have been persecuted for keeping the Rest-day of the Lord. Many States have laws binding men to keep the Sunday, and some of them are exceedingly unjust and cruel toward the observers of the Sabbath. These are not, at present, generally enforced; but there is a growing disposition manifested to protect this human institution at the expense of the divine; so much so that we have no inducement but the love of God and of his truth to turn from the traditions of men to the commandment of God at this time.
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We SDAs are not against Catholics we are against the Catholic system.

If you think we are attacking people and not the system then you have misunderstood.

The Catholic church did ban people from owing copies of the Bible. If people were caught with Scriptures that person was usually burned at the stake(usally after being tortured).

Translating the Bible into the common langauge of the people was a offense punishable by death too.

What the SDA teach is exactly the same as the great reformers taught. The SDA church is the only Protestant denomination that is still protesting.

One of your Catholic magazines once said that the Protestants should logically become Seventh-day Adventists as they are the only consistant Protestant.

Your Catholic Cathoism says that the Roman Catholic Church changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday back in 324AD. You changed the 10 commanments, You deleted the second about idle worship and divided the tenth into 2 to get 10.

Daniel 7:25 He would think to change the times and laws of God.
 
We SDAs are not against Catholics we are against the Catholic system.

If you think we are attacking people and not the system then you have misunderstood.
Gosh I have heard this soo many times comming from the SDAs. saying this, is a method of bashing the RCC ( when I say RCC is catholic people are also included) and look like the good guy.
 
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