Secadaventists (sp?)

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Not sure if I spelled this right, but I’m under the impression that these are people that do not believe the papacy is legitimate? Can anyone shed some light on what exactly their beliefs are and where they come from?
I’ve heard Mel’s father was one of these and that he may hold some of the beliefs.
 
They believe the papacy is legit, but believe nobody, especially Pope Benedict XVI, is the true pope.

I don’t believe Mel Gibson is a sedavacantist. I don’t even know if he’s been ever in communion with the Catholic Church. His “church” that he built in California is not in communion with the Catholic Church led by Pope Benedict XVI. But its uncertain to me whether their schismatic church is sedavacantist or more like the SSPX, having the absurd view that they are loyal to Pope Benedict XVI by disobeying Catholic canon law.
 
Sedevacantists believe that the Chair of Peter is empty. They believe that the last true pope was Pope Pius XII. The believe this because they believe the The Mass of Paul VI is invalid and evil. They also believe that the VII council is invalid. An example of these groups is the SSPV. There are some who have elected “successors” to Pius XII. For example “Pope” Pius XIII is I think in Mineapolis. There is “Pope” Michael in Kansas I think. Those who have elected new “Popes” can’t properly be called sedevacantists though because they bellieve the See of Peter has been filled with the man they elected. You can check these “popes” out by going to google.
 
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itsjustdave1988:
They believe the papacy is legit, but believe nobody, especially Pope Benedict XVI, is the true pope.

I don’t believe Mel Gibson is a sedavacantist. I don’t even know if he’s been ever in communion with the Catholic Church. His “church” that he built in California is not in communion with the Catholic Church led by Pope Benedict XVI. But its uncertain to me whether their schismatic church is sedavacantist or more like the SSPX, having the absurd view that they are loyal to Pope Benedict XVI by disobeying Catholic canon law.
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I thought Mel’s church was just a church that doesnt use the Vatican II changes, like the Latin mass.
 
Here is an excerpt from a Wikipedia entry about Mel Gibson:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Gibson

Some people have attacked his father Hutton Gibson for religious views that he says are based on Catholic Traditionalism, and on his political opinions. A member of a Roman Catholic group that chooses not to accept as valid current Church teachings deriving from Vatican II, Mel Gibson has donated money to finance the construction of a traditional Catholic chapel in Malibu, California, called Holy Family. It has been alleged that Mel Gibson and his father are members of a sect called “the Holy Family sect”, but many question whether the congregation would actually qualify as a sect considering its size (only about 70 members) and single place of worship. The congregation has procured the services of an Independent (Sedevacantist) priest, Fr. Louis Campbell.
 
The SSPX holds that Benedict VI is the Pope, however Vatican II was invalid and so is the current liturgy. They acknowledge Benedict VI as the Pope, but choose not to adhere to him.

The SSPV is Sedevacanist, they believe everything that the SSPX believes with the exception that Benedict VI is the Pope. They hold from some document in 1918 that as soon as a Pope goes apostate, their chair becomes vacant. But as Robert Sugenis stated on one of his debates with a Sedevacanist; a layman, deacon, priest, and Bishop cannot determine independently if a Pope supposedly has gone apostate, only the magesterium can determine that. The Magesterium still states today that the chair of Peter is not vacant.
 
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jimmy:
Sedevacantists believe that the Chair of Peter is empty. They believe that the last true pope was Pope Pius XII. The believe this because they believe the The Mass of Paul VI is invalid and evil. They also believe that the VII council is invalid. An example of these groups is the SSPV. There are some who have elected “successors” to Pius XII. For example “Pope” Pius XIII is I think in Mineapolis. There is “Pope” Michael in Kansas I think. Those who have elected new “Popes” can’t properly be called sedevacantists though because they bellieve the See of Peter has been filled with the man they elected. You can check these “popes” out by going to google.
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No “Pope” Pius XIII in Minneapolis, that I am aware of, though I do know of one in Montana. Otherwise your right on with every other regard.😉
 
Rand Al'Thor:
I thought Mel’s church was just a church that doesnt use the Vatican II changes, like the Latin mass.
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Whether sedevacantist or not, Mel’s “church” IS NOT a Roman Catholic Church. Observe,
Some have insisted that Mel Gibson is Catholic. Others say he is not. Here’s some evidence that suggests that his affiliation with the Catholic Church is at best, schismatic…

Mel Gibson is quoted by an Australian newspaper as saying: “I agree with everyone who says the Vatican is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.” (“Mel Gibson’s only daughter opts to be a nun,” Sydney Morning Herald, 15 Sep 2002).

Furthermore, as reported by the Associated Press: “Gibson is building a traditionalist church on a 9,300-square-foot complex in Malibu, Calif., for about 70 members, the Times said. He is serving as the director, chief executive officer and sole benefactor of the church, which intends to conduct its Sunday Mass entirely in Latin. The property was purchased by a church group called Holy Family.” (Associated Press, 9 Mar 2003, “Report: Mel Gibson is building church for his Catholic Movement”, The Mercury News)

CBS News reports “Actor Mel Gibson is the person behind a 9,300-square-foot, Mission-style Catholic church complex in Malibu, Calif., that is not affiliated with any diocese.” (“Mel Gibson gets religion”, CBS News.org, 10 Mar 2003)

Cardinal Roger Mahony from the Diocese of Los Angeles stated regarding Gibson’s Church: “*I know nothing about the Church in Malibu. It **is certainly not in communion with the Universal Catholic Church nor the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. ***I have never met Mr. Gibson, and he does not participate in any parish of this Archdiocese. He, apparently, has chosen to live apart from the communion of the Catholic Church. I pray for him.”
(nfcym.org/v3/resources/passion_mahony.html Feb 20, 2004).
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Catholic29:
No “Pope” Pius XIII in Minneapolis, that I am aware of, though I do know of one in Montana. Otherwise your right on with every other regard.😉
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Thankyou for the correction Catholic29. I knew it was something with an “M”.
 
Catholic Dude:
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Gotta love Montana’s own trailer park pope. Also, you need to watch out for SSPX and sedavacantists, because they will open up parishes and call themselves “Roman Catholic”, but they are not in communion with the see of Peter.
 
itsjustdave1988 said:
Whether sedevacantist or not, Mel’s “church” IS NOT a Roman Catholic Church. Observe,
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Father Louis Campbell was or is FSSP, not a sedavacantist. FSSP is not schismatic, and the Holy Father has stated that he will hear no talk of SSPX as being schismatic. So, providing the priest for the private chapel of Gibson’s is still FSSP, or at least not sedavacantist, it is Catholic indeed. The preference for the Tridentine Mass does not somehow make you uncatholic. Research before posting, please.
 
Cardinal Roger Mahony from the Diocese of Los Angeles stated regarding Gibson’s Church: “I know nothing about the Church in Malibu. It is certainly not in communion with the Universal Catholic Church nor the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. I have never met Mr. Gibson, and he does not participate in any parish of this Archdiocese. He, apparently, has chosen to live apart from the communion of the Catholic Church. I pray for him.”
(nfcym.org/v3/resources/passion_mahony.html Feb 20, 2004).
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On the other hand if Mahony was my cardinal, I would be really tempted to live apart from the communion of his diocese too.

But seriously, folks, I believe that Pope Benedict XVI will draw both the SSPX and the sedevacantists back into the fold. One thing that has kept them away for so long (IMHO) is some of the liturgical abuses that have run rampant throughout the U.S. since VII. As His Holiness puts a stop to these abuses, I think some of these groups will be less offended and return to us.
 
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