Second Catholic College May Drop Health Care Over Obamacare Mandate

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Second Catholic College May Drop Health Care Over Obamacare Mandate

A second Catholic college is looking at dropping its health care package for students in the wake of the mandate the Obama administration put in place that requires religious and pro-life groups to pay for birth control and drugs that may cause abortions.

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Most Catholic hospitals and schools are not going to drop their health care benefits. My wife is a nurse and works for a larger network of Catholic hospitals and they are not dropping their health care coverage because if they did they would go out of business as nurses, doctors and health care staff would leave in mass exodus.

David
 
Good thing, thanks to ‘Obamacare’, those students can now stay on their parent’s health plan until they’re 26. 👍
 
davidmlamb said:
Most Catholic hospitals and schools are not going to drop their health care benefits. My wife is a nurse and works for a larger network of Catholic hospitals and they are not dropping their health care coverage because if they did they would go out of business as nurses, doctors and health care staff would leave in mass exodus.

David
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Which is exactly the choice that this mandate forces upon them: cease being Catholic or go out of business.
 
JimG said:
Which is exactly the choice that this mandate forces upon them: cease being Catholic or go out of business.
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No it doesn’t! Most Catholic hospitals are going to comply with the law and they will continue being Catholic providing for the needs of the sick. The law does not force religious organizations to provide BC. It forces the insurance companies to provide them. That is a big difference. Catholic hospitals in Canada, Europe, the UK, Japan…and the rest of the western world all provide the same services because their single payer health care system mandates it by law and not a single one has ceased being Catholic. No one is forcing Catholics to use birth control, or have abortions. They freely choose to do so with full consent of the will. So ceasing from being Catholic because Catholics freely choose to act immorally is straining out a gnat to swallow a camel.

David
 
MillTownCath said:
Good thing, thanks to ‘Obamacare’, those students can now stay on their parent’s health plan until they’re 26. 👍
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Yep,

I have been covering my now 22 year old daughter under my health care plan for a year and last week the the Doctors removed a walnut size malignant tumor from her brain and now she is going to receive radiation therapy. Had it not been for “Obamacare” I would be burying my 22 year old daughter. Some of those opposing “Obamacare” with children under 26 will also have their children come down with a life threatening illness and than thank God for the new health care law. My ex wife is one of them. She now supports the new health care law because it is saving the life of our daughter.

David
 
davidmlamb said:
No it doesn’t! Most Catholic hospitals are going to comply with the law and they will continue being Catholic providing for the needs of the sick. The law does not force religious organizations to provide BC. It forces the insurance companies to provide them.
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Do you really have such a high opinion of insurance companies to believe that they will just take the cost of BC (and abortificants such as IUDs) out of their profit margins instead of just rolling it into the premiums as a general increase?

Really, is that what you honestly believe?
 
And what about the hospitals and schools that are self insured. How do they provide health care in a way consistent with the teachings of the Church, and comply with the mandate?

There are quite a number of diocese that started self insuring when their own states imposed this evil mandate. Now what are their options?
 
Brendan said:
Do you really have such a high opinion of insurance companies to believe that they will just take the cost of BC (and abortificants such as IUDs) out of their profit margins instead of just rolling it into the premiums as a general increase?

Really, is that what you honestly believe?
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Some believe that providing BC would not reduce insurance company profits because there would be a corresponding decrease in the medical costs these companies would have to pay for birth and birthing complications.

And besides, even if insurance companies did raise their rates, that would not change the moral standing of those whose contract with them.

However your comment about self-insuring entities is well taken.
 
Brendan said:
And what about the hospitals and schools that are self insured. How do they provide health care in a way consistent with the teachings of the Church, and comply with the mandate?

There are quite a number of diocese that started self insuring when their own states imposed this evil mandate. Now what are their options?
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This is correct. A great many Catholic dioceses and Catholic organizations do self-insure. The mandate will force them, as insurors, to provide free artificial contraception, sterilization, and morning-after pills which violate their conscience. They can comply with the mandate, thereby rejecting Catholic morality, or refuse to comply, pay enormous fines, or go out of business. It is the same situation for Catholic business owners, and especially for Catholic insurance companies. The bishops have said that they will not comply. I don’t see how they have any other option if they wish to continue being Catholic.

The worst of it is this: the mandate was totally unnecessary. There is not and never has been, a shortage of contraception or insurance coverage for contraception. It’s not in short supply. For the government to mandate that Catholic institutions provide coverage for it is a violation of their religious liberty. And it is only the beginning.
 
No it doesn’t! Most Catholic hospitals are going to comply with the law and they will continue being Catholic providing for the needs of the sick. The law does not force religious organizations to provide BC. It forces the insurance companies to provide them.
Brendan said:
Do you really have such a high opinion of insurance companies to believe that they will just take the cost of BC (and abortificants such as IUDs) out of their profit margins instead of just rolling it into the premiums as a general increase? Really, is that what you honestly believe?
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Your argument here is a non sequitur Brandon. What I believe is that individual Catholics are culpable for obeying the teachings of the Church and not the government. So if let’s say St John’s Catholic Hospital offer’s its employees Blue Cross/ Blue Shield Health Care which includes provision for birth control and abortion than it is Catholics whose must choose between good and evil. It is the Church’s job to instruct the faithful in doctrine and righteousness and it is the Faithfull’s job to obey the teachings of the Church. If Catholic Hospitals or schools close down because the government mandates their insurance carrier to provide birth control drugs and abortion services than the Church disobeys the mission God has called them to do (take care of the sick/educate) and incurs guilt. If the faithful disobey what the Church has taught them than they incur guilt. What you are actually advocating here Brandon is that the Church abandons its mission (see Matthew 25:14-46). You have strained out a gnat to swallow a camel!
Brendan said:
and what about the hospitals and schools that are self insured. how do they provide health care in a way consistent with the teachings of the Church, and comply with the mandate?
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Very simple, they change insurance carriers! This is a very good argument for Medicare for all and gets rid of private health care insurance carriers. Take note that Canada and Europe do not have this problem.
Brendan said:
There are quite a number of diocese that started self insuring when their own states imposed this evil mandate. Now what are their options?
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A no brainer Brandon, switch to a private insurance carrier until we as a nation adopt a truly Universal Health Care system and let the faithful be faithful to the teachings of the Church! 👍

Pax Cristi,

David
 
Many Catholic institutions have in the past had to negotiate with insurance companies in order to obtain coverage which did not violate their Catholicism. Under the HHS mandate, however, such coverage will simply be unobtainable; they will be forced to violate their Catholic morals when obtaining any outside insurance. Not only that, they will be forced to pay for such immoral coverage in the premium. It gets back to being forced to quit being Catholic or comply with the mandate.

But their is an easy answer, which the HHS could easily do: drop the mandate.
 
JimG said:
Many Catholic institutions have in the past had to negotiate with insurance companies in order to obtain coverage which did not violate their Catholicism. Under the HHS mandate, however, such coverage will simply be unobtainable; they will be forced to violate their Catholic morals when obtaining any outside insurance. Not only that, they will be forced to pay for such immoral coverage in the premium. It gets back to being forced to quit being Catholic or comply with the mandate.

But their is an easy answer, which the HHS could easily do: drop the mandate.
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Jim, this is engaging in circular reasoning because I have already disproved this argument. Have Catholic hospitals and schools in Canada and Europe ceased to be Catholic because their Universal Health Care coverage “forces” them to pay for the same services the HHS law now requires the Church in the states to provide? Following your logic we can say because the Church allowed pedophile priests to escape from justice and continue to molest children the Church has ceased from being Catholic. The argument is non-sense. It is individual Catholic believers whose conscience is well informed who must abstain from using these services. No Catholic is being forced to use BC, become sterilized, or have an abortion. This is something that is done with full consent of the free will.

David
 
davidmlamb said:
Jim, this is engaging in circular reasoning because I have already disproved this argument. Have Catholic hospitals and schools in Canada and Europe ceased to be Catholic because their Universal Health Care coverage “forces” them to pay for the same services the HHS law now requires the Church in the states to provide? Following your logic we can say because the Church allowed pedophile priests to escape from justice and continue to molest children the Church has ceased from being Catholic. The argument is non-sense. It is individual Catholic believers whose conscience is well informed who must abstain from using these services. No Catholic is being forced to use BC, become sterilized, or have an abortion. This is something that is done with full consent of the free will.

David
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Apparently Cardinal Dolan and 43 Catholic institutions agree with me, since they have taken the administration to court over the imposition of the HHS mandate. Every single bishop in the U.S. has also said that the HHS mandate forces Catholic institutions to violate their conscience. The USCCB has said ‘we will not comply.’ They do not agree with the violation of their freedom of religion, and will fight it to the supreme court.

If the administration is able to force Catholic institutions to violate their conscience in this way, many, perhaps most, of them, will be forced to close, thereby forcing the loss of a great many valuable social services.

And as I mentioned before, the mandate is unnecessary. It should be rescinded.
 
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