Secular morality vs Catholic morality

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To my fellow Catholics:

Turn on your TV, watch most movies and listen to the radio. They are all promoting Secular Morality. By becoming aware of what Secular Morality is, you can guard against it while living a Christian life.

There are no absolutes we are told. Everything is just shades of grey. That opens the door to people telling you: “Except for maybe a few things, nothing is immoral. Yeah, you shouldn’t rape or kill but that’s about it.”

Sex outside of marriage between married and unmarried people. That’s called fornication.

Secular morality: Yeah!! Do it! A lot!

Catholic morality: It is a sin, either adultery or fornication. The Bible tells us: “Flee fornication.”

Secular morality: Abortion is a right! Nobody can tell a woman what to do with her own body!

Catholic morality: But what about the other body inside her? Everyone began life as an embryo - a human embryo. That’s a scientific, provable fact. Early pregnancy tests are designed to detect that.

Catholic morality: Marriage is designed to be the place where new life is brought into the world and where mother and father raise their children in a loving, God fearing household.

Secular morality: We’ve got ‘alternative lifestyles.’ Wanna shack up? What’s the big deal? Three kids by three different guys? It happens, ya know? What’s the big deal?

Catholic morality: The proper alternative that is consistent with Church teaching and natural law is marriage or celibacy. The children are cared for by the two people who brought them into this world.

Secular morality: Divorce. So I’m on divorce number 3, so what? Besides, it’s “No Fault” so what actually happened don’t matter,

Catholic morality: Jesus Christ told us: “Except for the sin of adultery a man shall not put away his wife.” The Church understands this. There is provision for getting an annulment in some cases.

Secular morality: Gay marriage is a right!

Catholic morality: Gay marriage is a threat to the family and to world peace since the family is the first place where each generation learns of love and society. The Church also calls homosexual acts disordered.

All are called to celibacy until marriage. The Church also respects it’s gay, bisexual and transgendered followers. For all of us, it is important to refrain from the sexual act until marriage as ordained by God.

We are living as Catholics in a world that very much does not want us to live as Catholics:

Porn is OK!

Softcore porn at your local grocery store is OK!

Profanity is OK!

Prostitution should be legal!

Illegal drugs are OK!

Ultraviolent videogames and movies are OK!

And everything is eXTREME!!! Extreme sports! Extreme teens!

Your local place of worship has switched from Church to the local Mall.

And religious people are all awful, hate-filled, borderline terrorists/actual terrorists who want to kill people or at least, beat them badly.

Pray daily. Take up your cross daily. Ignore the voices of those who want to lead you astray. Read Catholic magazines or newspapers to make sure you know how to look at the world from a proper, Catholic perspective.

God bless,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
Sex outside of marriage between married and unmarried people. That’s called fornication.

Secular morality: Yeah!! Do it! A lot!

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And everything is eXTREME!!! Extreme sports! Extreme teens!
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Very well said.
 
Should be "Secular ‘morality’ ", no? Or maybe Secular amorality.

“And religious people are all awful, hate-filled, borderline terrorists/actual terrorists who want to kill people or at least, beat them badly.”

You forgot bigoted, (fill in the blank) -ophobes who want to impose our will on others.

You’re preachin’ to the choir, ed, but it’s still good preachin’. 👍
 
I use the words secular morality because there are people here who think morality has been hijacked by religion, or that men decide morality, not God or His Church on earth.

Bigoted - Only if you don’t tolerate what ‘progressives’ want you to tolerate.

Progressives - People who have decided what, to them, represents “progress.”

Tolerance - This only works in one direction. Progressives are happy to tolerate you if you agree with their sinful ideas. Progressives will not tolerate you if you disagree with their ideas on religious-moral grounds.

Their self-defined beliefs are OK, but ours are not.

God bless,
Ed
 
I recently saw a piece that distinguished between secular values and Christian morality. Secular values are man made and changeable to highlight whatever is respectable at the time [as I recall secular means time]. Virtues, on the other hand, are given by a higher power and remain constant through the ages.
 
“respectable” ? I see too many people disrespect themselves from the very little clothing they wear, to the profanity they use and to their disregard for the religious beliefs of others.

Respectable does not significantly change over time, but when people have been led to believe that disrespectable behavior is OK, then people begin to forget, or are never taught, what respectable really means.

peace,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
I use the words secular morality because there are people here who think morality has been hijacked by religion, or that men decide morality, not God or His Church on earth.

Bigoted - Only if you don’t tolerate what ‘progressives’ want you to tolerate.

Progressives - People who have decided what, to them, represents “progress.”

Tolerance - This only works in one direction. Progressives are happy to tolerate you if you agree with their sinful ideas. Progressives will not tolerate you if you disagree with their ideas on religious-moral grounds.

Their self-defined beliefs are OK, but ours are not.

God bless,
Ed
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I have no problem with you living your life as you see fit. Is that what you mean by “tolerance”? I don’t tell other people how to live as long as they respect the rights of others to live as they choose and no one is hurt or forced (I say this because people are always suggesting that sexual and physical abuse are “okay” with liberals, sex with minors, etc., so please note that I am saying as long as no one’s rights are infringed on - violently or otherwise). My problem is with the moral police is that they DO want to tell me how to live - have to be married, can’t remarry, can’t be gay, etc… Those are choices people have to make for themselves. You might not approve but it’s truly none of your business. If you believe they are going to hell, let them work it out with God. Don’t butt in. Take care of your own life and grant others that same right.
 
Swan said:
My problem is with the moral police is that they DO want to tell me how to live - have to be married, can’t remarry, can’t be gay, etc… Those are choices people have to make for themselves. You might not approve but it’s truly none of your business. If you believe they are going to hell, let them work it out with God. Don’t butt in. Take care of your own life and grant others that same right.
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The problem is liberty is not the same as license. To claim we must allow everything and anything simply because you like it and claim no one is physically harmed is not much of an argument when we consider the actual harm to society.
 
Swan:
My problem is with the moral police is that they DO want to tell me how to live - have to be married, can’t remarry, can’t be gay, etc… Those are choices people have to make for themselves. You might not approve but it’s truly none of your business. If you believe they are going to hell, let them work it out with God. Don’t butt in. Take care of your own life and grant others that same right.
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Dear Swan, God has given us rules to live by. Basic Catholic theology says you can’t condemn anyone for doing something wrong. A serial killer, after all, may be schizophrenic and unable to control himself. But basic Catholic theology also says we must admit the serial killer is doing something wrong and pronounce that fact clearly.

You might consider asking yourself if you are really upset by the moral police or God and his rules.

May God bless you bountifully, Annem
 
Perhaps it might be well to remember that according to a particular evangelist, secular marriages survive at a great rate than Christian marriages do. I guess that might be a interesting case of Christian morality falling a tad short.

I am at a loss as to why we need to condemn the unbeliever who is living a moral life just because he or she does not fit our concept of morality as that being tied to a religious election.
 
I saw example of this secular theology in the new Indiana Jones Movie. There portrayal of the Soviet enemy was less than striking. They were more a shade of grey than anything else, nothing was fleshed out. Communism was and is an abomination. That should have been more clearly displayed in the movie imo
 
I think secular people and Christian people have a great deal in common.

Unfortunately, it seems that many people like the OP are more concerned with what happens in my bedroom than what’s happening in Darfur. They’re more concerned with making sure that I can’t get married to who I want than making sure that people can get access to healthcare they need. They’re more concerned with condemning condoms than helping feed the world’s staving people or giving help to the poor.

Rail on all you like about how you don’t like how I want to get married to a same-sex partner. Go ahead. But at least be as passionate about feeding the poor as you are about making sure your sexual mores are adhered to.
 
Aquinas74 said:
I saw example of this secular theology in the new Indiana Jones Movie. There portrayal of the Soviet enemy was less than striking. They were more a shade of grey than anything else, nothing was fleshed out. Communism was and is an abomination. That should have been more clearly displayed in the movie imo
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Wow, really? You’re upset at the Indiana Jones not because of it’s ridiculous plot or silly supporting characters - you’re upset because communism wasn’t completely condemned.

I guess wanting to take over the world with mind control wasn’t evil enough. Perhaps they should have had horns and a tail, too?

:rolleyes:

I nominate your post as the silliest scrupulous condemnation of the year.
 
Exalt said:
I think secular people and Christian people have a great deal in common.

Unfortunately, it seems that many people like the OP are more concerned with what happens in my bedroom than what’s happening in Darfur. They’re more concerned with making sure that I can’t get married to who I want than making sure that people can get access to healthcare they need. They’re more concerned with condemning condoms than helping feed the world’s staving people or giving help to the poor.

Rail on all you like about how you don’t like how I want to get married to a same-sex partner. Go ahead. But at least be as passionate about feeding the poor as you are about making sure your sexual mores are adhered to.
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Hi Exalt;

He only named those categories…I’m sure that he, like most of us here, have passion towards topics that go beyond what he named.
 
Exalt said:
Wow, really? You’re upset at the Indiana Jones not because of it’s ridiculous plot or silly supporting characters - you’re upset because communism wasn’t completely condemned.

I guess wanting to take over the world with mind control wasn’t evil enough. Perhaps they should have had horns and a tail, too?

:rolleyes:

I nominate your post as the silliest scrupulous condemnation of the year.
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I think that the characters were not really fleshed out as much as the previous films were. I mean everyone knows how evil the Nazis were in those films. There plans were evil I just don’t think it was fleshed out as well as it could have i.e. character development. Yeah and the ending was a little bit Goofy as well. Scrupulous condemnation? All I was doing was giving my opinion but if that is how you see it. Oh well, have a blessed day and weekend and may the Good Lord bless all your endeavors.
 
Spirit Meadow:
Perhaps it might be well to remember that according to a particular evangelist, secular marriages survive at a great rate than Christian marriages do. I guess that might be a interesting case of Christian morality falling a tad short.
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This is not true of those who go to Mass without fail, however. In fact, the more devout you are, the less likely you are to divorce, commit adultery, or cheat on your taxes.

May God bless you, Annem
 
Exalt
Rail on all you like about how you don’t like how I want to get married to a same-sex partner. Go ahead. But at least be as passionate about feeding the poor as you are about making sure your sexual mores are adhered to.
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It is not me who “rails” on about gay marriage. I am a Catholic. So I listen to the Catholic church on the subject of morality.

And as far as feeding the poor, of course Catholics are passionate about that.

May God bless you, Annem
 
annem said:
Exalt

It is not me who “rails” on about gay marriage. I am a Catholic. So I listen to the Catholic church on the subject of morality.

And as far as feeding the poor, of course Catholics are passionate about that.

May God bless you, Annem
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Indeed. I find it peculiar folks are quick to mention war, poverty, famine, and the like as if we only need to focus on one or two things. The real issue is why are we not outraged by other disasters like moral disasters the OP mentioned. Failure to be outraged at some of these things is very troubling.
 
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