Secular VS anti church

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Do think nowadays a lot of people who proclaim secular values, are really more anti church then actually secular. Especially here in my own country (Ireland). A secular country is just separation from religion from state, but often at times those who proclaim secular are really more anti church and church bashing.
 
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I’m from Ireland.
I’ve been reading the Irish press, from left to right, leading up to the referendum and I’ve seen little in the way of actual anti-Catholicism. The overarching attitude toward the Church seems to be one of indifference, that it is irrelevant. There has been criticism of the institutional Church, of course, but a lot of it is, frankly, well deserved. The abuse scandals are fair game for criticism, and a good part of the criticism comes from Catholics themselves. Overall, I think the secular press has been rather fair in its coverage of the Church in Ireland.
 
I mean no offence to you, but I can understand why in Ireland people may be anti-Church. There have been a lot of scandals.

In regards to other countries, I would place more at the feet of apathy than anything else. I am agnostic living in the UK and I don’t see anyone necessarily anti-Church. More indifferent.
 
“Secular” in my mind means people who are indifferent to, or ignorant of, religion. People whose parents who were not religious and who simply did not grow up in any sort of religious environment, people who lapsed in their faith, etc.

“Anti-Church” is a totally different group: those who know what the Church teaches and actively attack it. Most secularists would not fall into this category in my opinion.
 
By the same token I would say that some people labeled as anti-church are more accurately looking to prevent the Church from having more influence on public policy than is warranted.
 
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