Seder Supper....Passover

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How many of you have attended a Seder and what was your experience like.

We attended a Passover celebration last night. This was my second time. The first one was 31 years ago. This time it was more meaningful because I have a must stronger understanding of the Passover and how it relates to our Christian traditions. My wife enjoyed it and found it interesting as well.
 
My dad’s side of the family gets together every year on Holy Saturday to celebrate the Seder.

I love it because it connects the Old Testament beliefs with Jesus coming into the world and dying for our sins. You see God’s plan described so simply - you know that everything that God did for Moses and David and all the others He made covenants with in the Old Testament; it was done for a reason.

It’s a great tradition and celebration.
 
I enjoy attending passover seder “reenactments”. I think they are a wonderful complement to our Lenten activities.
 
The_Geographer said:
How many of you have attended a Seder and what was your experience like.

We attended a Passover celebration last night. This was my second time. The first one was 31 years ago. This time it was more meaningful because I have a must stronger understanding of the Passover and how it relates to our Christian traditions. My wife enjoyed it and found it interesting as well.
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as a student and later as a young parent I was invited a few times to share seder with Jewish friends and neighbors, among the most powerful experiences and demonstrations of how faith is rooted in home and family expression that anyone could have. I have also, reluctantly, participated in various parish attempts to recreate this experience, which usually fall flat and miss important dimensions.
 
puzzleannie said:
as a student and later as a young parent I was invited a few times to share seder with Jewish friends and neighbors, among the most powerful experiences and demonstrations of how faith is rooted in home and family expression that anyone could have. I have also, reluctantly, participated in various parish attempts to recreate this experience, which usually fall flat and miss important dimensions.
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This is why I’d like to attend and actual Seder Supper with Jewish people.
 
My family has always celebrated the Christian Seder.

For those who have attended both, what significant differences are there?
 
We attend a Seder at my mom’s house every year. We really enjoy it and the kids really learn a lot.
 
The_Geographer said:
usccb.org/liturgy/godsmercy.shtml
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Did you know that the USCCB has no authority in the matter of the doctrine of the faith? In other words, they can’t interpret faith or tradition without the approval of the Holy See. Find me a papal encyclical and I’m all ears.

For an illustration of what’s wrong with the church in the U.S. note the second paragraph in your linked article. In 1974 The Holy See issues guidelines to assure that homilists don’t offend the Jewish religion (Conciliar Declaration). A year later the USCCB liberally interprets it by “[urging] catechists and homilists to work together to develop among Catholics increasing ‘appreciation of the Jewishness of that heritage and rich spirituality’…” :eek: How did they go from receiving the Word of God “without prejudice toward the Jewish people or their religious traditions” to working together to develop “appreciation of Jewishness”?

The priest on Audiosancto sounds more convincing to me. How can participation in traditions of faith that necessarily deny the coming of the Messiah not be sinful?
 
dusza said:
I could tell you, but… they would kill me. 🙂 Seriously, on their website they request that the homilists not be identified. I can tell you that he’s an FSSP priest.
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And this is why we should be suspect of anything he says.
 
dusza said:
audiosancto.org/sermon/20080928-Seder-Meals-Violate-the-1st-Commandment.html
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This is the truth. 🙂

And you can find out who they are easily by listening to their sermons, they don’t hide it, they just don’t want to be badgered by every passer by on the Internet, they don’t have time.

They are some of the best sermons by Catholic priests you will ever hear.

We are not allowed to use old testament rituals, or the rituals of other religions. We are Christians, not Jews. The rituals what is now “Judaism” uses and formed after proper Judaism became Christianity are also explicitly denials of Christianity often enough, like Seders.
 
dusza said:
Did you know that the USCCB has no authority in the matter of the doctrine of the faith? In other words, they can’t interpret faith or tradition without the approval of the Holy See. Find me a papal encyclical and I’m all ears.

For an illustration of what’s wrong with the church in the U.S. note the second paragraph in your linked article. In 1974 The Holy See issues guidelines to assure that homilists don’t offend the Jewish religion (Conciliar Declaration). A year later the USCCB liberally interprets it by “[urging] catechists and homilists to work together to develop among Catholics increasing ‘appreciation of the Jewishness of that heritage and rich spirituality’…” :eek: How did they go from receiving the Word of God “without prejudice toward the Jewish people or their religious traditions” to working together to develop “appreciation of Jewishness”?

The priest on Audiosancto sounds more convincing to me. How can participation in traditions of faith that necessarily deny the coming of the Messiah not be sinful?
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Wolf!! Wolf!!! Wolf!!!

We could do this all night. My father was a so called “Traditional Catholic” he also claimed that non-Catholics were doomed to the eternal fire of hell. He rejected the Second Vatican Council. Logically to deny it is to reject the Churches Teaching. If you want to defend your position you’ll have to hold on to “Old Catholic” teachings so that you can also reject Infallibility of the Papacy. Your arguments were not expected and highly irregular. They resemble someone who suffers from scrupulosity, as did Martin Luther for example.
 
Shin said:
We are not allowed to use old testament rituals, or the rituals of other religions. We are Christians, not Jews. The rituals what is now “Judaism” uses and formed after proper Judaism became Christianity are also explicitly denials of Christianity often enough, like Seders.
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Not "allowed"? Really? I read Talmud and have a Chai on my mantle; and when I go to my friends’ Seders, I actively participate and read from the Haggadah. Is it wrong to celebrate the liberation of the Jewish people from the slavery of Egypt? My 2 year-old goes to nursery school at the JCC, and we got him a costume for Purim. Are we sinners?

I’m sure you didn’t mean to equate “old testament rituals” (could I keep kosher if I wanted to) to something like maintaining a shrine to Vishnu, but that’s what it sounded like.
 
Don’t red herring Geographer.

There’s absolutely nothing infallible about committees, and plenty of bishops’ committees have been corrupted, especially in these times of great corruption.

The USCCB is quite notorious actually, what with the so-called ‘Movie Reviews’ praising indecent films on its website. Your son couldn’t watch them.

The fewness of the saved is in scripture and has been taught consistently for thousands of years. It is the sad truth.

'I do not speak rashly, but as I feel and think. I do not think that many priests are saved, but that those who perish are far more numerous. The reason is that the office requires a great soul. For there are many things to make a priest swerve from rectitude, and he requires great vigilance on every side. . .

Do you not perceive how many qualities a bishop must have that he may be strong in his teaching, patient, and hold fast to the faithful word which is according to doctrine? What care and pains does this require! Moreover, he is answerable for the sins of others. To pass over everything else: If but one soul dies without Baptism, does it not entirely endanger his own salvation? For the loss of one soul is so great an evil that it is impossible to express it in words. For if the salvation of that soul was of such value that the Son of God became man and suffered so much, think of how great a punishment must the losing of it bring.’

St. John Chrysostom, Archbishop, Father, and Doctor of the Church
 
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