Sedevacantism?

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I’m a former Protestant and apostate who has decided to convert to Catholicism. Through extensive research, I have studied Catholic Christianity and I know that God is calling me to the true faith. However, I’ve ran into sedevacantism, and here are questions I have regarding their points, and whether or not I should convert to Catholicism or Sedevacantism.
Pro (Sedevacantist): Apparently, the words of consecration for the Eucharist have been changed from “for many” to “for all.” Yet I heard that Vatican II did not actually implement that change, it has just been an abuse by bad priests. The point is that you cannot change the words/meaning of the Eucharistic consecration, or else you invalidate the mass.
The mass in general has been changed. I personally do not understand why Vatican II decided to do this. Apparently it was to “modernize” the Church, but modernization implies that one follows the fashions of the world, a path completely against the teachings of Christ. In my opinion, the Vatican II mass still feels like a traditional mass, so why change it anyway? Can’t we just stick with the Tri Mass?

Con (Sedevacantist):
Many of them are delusional. There is this one website called doomsdaytube.com, which basically predicted the end of the world in 2012. That obviously didn’t happen, which gives me a strange impression on sedevacantism.
Many of them also defend their argument on the fact that Rome is no longer the seat of the Church using unapproved prophecies and the unapproved secrets of Our Lady of La Salette. Though the apparition itself was approved, the seers went on to lead lives contrary to most witnesses of Marian apparitions. Rather than become more religious, the girl wrote secrets in which Our Lady allegedly said “Rome will become the seat of the AntiChrist,” and that “The Church will be in eclipse [hidden]”. They use the latter quote to argue that the current Church is hidden and that the “Catholic” church in Rome is heretical. Yet what they don’t realize is that these secrets were condemed by the PreVatican II Church. Therefore, those secrets are useless to their argument, along with the other false prophecies they use, such as the alleged ones of St. Nilus.

Sorry for the long thread, but the point of my post is that I’m gravely confused spiritually. I don’t know whether or not to become Catholic because of the sedevacantists arguments. Some of them make sense, while others are based on lies and false prophecies. Help anyone? 😦
 
I’m not sure but I do believe that threads discussing sedevacantism are prohibited here,
 
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NOTICE: Ban on sedevacantism discussions
For the foreseeable future, sedevacantism will not be discussed in the Traditional Catholicism forum. And since sedevacantism was only allowed to be discussed in the Traditional Catholicism forum, it will also not be discussed on any of the CAF forums for the foreseeable future.
We regret the necessity of this ban, but the moderators and administrators just do not have the time and resources to arbitrate the sedevacantist threads at this time. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation. God bless.
 
I don’t mean to discuss a banned topic, but I just wish to point out for the sake of the OP that many of these points can be and often are believed and accepted by those of us who do recognize the authority of the the recent Pontiffs up to and including Benedict XVI (and whomever his successor will be in the upcoming weeks).

It would be good idea to start a discussion about some of these legitimate concerns you raise without Sedevacantism being involved, as none of them are directly related to the Sedevacantist position.

For example “for all” was already changed back to “for many” in the English Masses back in November 2011 (the official Latin text was never changed to begin with). The Tridentine Mass is still permissible within the ordinary structures of the Church. Abuses by priests are condemned by the Holy See, and the local bishops are charged with working to put an end to them, though obviously this cannot happen overnight. Etc.

All good points to discuss and consider during your conversion process, but none of them are actually about Sedevacantism.
 
Im a cradle Catholic and I ran into sedevacantism like a month ago. After lots of extensive research and troublesome days, I found that they are absolutely wrong. Sedevacantism is in a nutshell the modern day version of the pharisees of Jesus’ time. Sedevacantism is a misunderstanding of everything and also puts a pre determined worldview before facts.
 
I’m sorry! I thought that rule applied to those advocating Sedevacantism. Please forgive me.

God Bless,

Zach
 
I don’t mean to discuss a banned topic, but I just wish to point out for the sake of the OP that many of these points can be and often are believed and accepted by those of us who do recognize the authority of the the recent Pontiffs up to and including Benedict XVI (and whomever his successor will be in the upcoming weeks).

It would be good idea to start a discussion about some of these legitimate concerns you raise without Sedevacantism being involved, as none of them are directly related to the Sedevacantist position.

For example “for all” was already changed back to “for many” in the English Masses back in November 2011 (the official Latin text was never changed to begin with). The Tridentine Mass is still permissible within the ordinary structures of the Church. Abuses by priests are condemned by the Holy See, and the local bishops are charged with working to put an end to them, though obviously this cannot happen overnight. Etc.

All good points to discuss and consider during your conversion process, but none of them are actually about Sedevacantism.
This subject is banned but you may PM the OP.
 
However, whatever you do…stay very far away from the opinions on doomsdaytube. They’ve been around forever, and are not Catholic.

God Bless :signofcross::byzsoc:

P.S. There are many Priests, nuns, sisters, friars and religious brothers on this forum. You can PM them and I’m sure they’d lend you help.
 
The approved translation, in ENGLISH, in the late 1960’s - early 1970’s did change the wording from “many” to “all”; but the NEW translation, in 2011, changed it back to “many.”

The parts of the consecration that cannot be changed is “This is my body” and “This is my Blood.”
 
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