See which of your representatives is attacking marriage

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What hurts society as a whole is a detriment to each individual in society.
Yes. Marriage is actually not a private matter. The personal feelings about the partners toward each other is private, but the decision to marry becomes public the second that a license is sought from the local governing body. (The State neither awards nor denies a license based on personal feelings.)

Marriage is not a private institution, but one affecting community and society. And gender complimentarity is essential to any potential health and strong functioning of that marriage within the community. Socially strong communities are built on proper (complimentary) biological bonds. Society and biology are not separable. They are manipulated and opposed at risk to the healthy functioning of society. Even most people without a religion understand from history that it is not wise to oppose the primal design of Mother Nature.
 
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**The only way to definitely stop gay marriage in the US is to add a new amendment to the US Constitution, and your elected representatives know it, that’s why they pay lip service to you to get elected but nothing ever comes of their promised efforts. **

Don’t count on that lasting forever. There is a Supreme court, and that Court has been known to reverse lower Court rulings, and at present there are six Catholics and two Jews on the Supreme Court out of nine. No radically liberal Protestants at all.

As the Three Musketeers said, “All for one, and one for all!”

What hurts society as a whole is a detriment to each individual in society. As the morals of a society grow increasing permissive and corrupt, every individual become prey to that corruption. The blood lust of the Romans was not satisfied until the gladiators slew each other with grandiose spectacle. Doubtless the people who owned the gladiators thought they had a right to own them and a right to make them fight to the death. The Roman state agreed and licensed these perverse owners of gladiators to make their men fight to the death. The gladiators had no recourse, since there was no Roman Constitution that denied such perversion of the natural law.

The American Constitution was designed to protect the majority from the unlawful dominance of a perverse minority. But in America today that perverse minority wants to impose its will on the majority. In some cases, where it is aided and abetted by perverse judges, it has succeeded to a degree. It will not succeed forever. Christianity overcame the practice of gladiatorial combat by the 4th century, and likewise overcame the practice of killing the elderly and those born with defects. Today I believe it will in due time overcome the State honoring and supporting the bottom-feeding advocates of sodomy.
We must not forget where those rights of individuals come from.
 
JFarrish et. al., throughout this whole discussion not once have I disagreed with anyone’s assertion about the importance of marriage in society, nor should I since I am married with two children. My wife makes much more money than I and we believe it is best for our children to have a parent at home to care for them, and that parent is me for the last seven years; I gave up my career because I believe the children and the family are more important than my work. I dearly miss my career and would rather not have this job, but I am taking one for the team because I believe the team is stronger than my selfish desires. Frankly, I almost entirely agree with the Catholic position on marriage, the with the obvious exception of the current qualifying condition of gender to benefit from the institution.

I’m on your side and so are the gays, that’s why they want to be a part of it. Marriage is important to society, so why limit the institution? It makes better sense to me to expand it so that more people and society may benefit from it. To declare homosexuals, who are otherwise law-abiding and productive citizens, deviants, dirty, dangerous, and unfit for society is counter productive to a society that benefits from giving all members (with the obvious exclusion of criminals) equal standing and protection. Furthermore, homosexuality itself is not a crime and neither is gay sex.

But all the above is beside the point in regards to the law as it exists. I want to help you make a better case against gay marriage and will continue to hold my ground, which is the position of the courts, that in order to declare gay marriage bad for society the case must be made how gay marriage harms an individual and can prove specific damage besides hurting one’s sensibilities. It must be shown how a gay marriage has infringed upon your constitutional rights. Those are the rules of the court and the constitution, not mine, and as long as the courts have the final say and until a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage is passed, that question must be answered in the context of existing law. The courts will not recognize speculative pronouncements of the dangers of gay marriage until someone can convince a court how gay marriage has harmed an individual. The gays have successfully convinced the courts how they, individually, are harmed by being denied the rights and benefits of marriage, and the anti-gay marriage side needs to do the exact same thing. There are six states which allow gay marriage and I am sure there must be someone in one of those states who feels as strongly as you all do how detrimental it is and is willing to go before a judge to prove how he/she has been harmed or denied his/her constitutional rights as a direct cause of gay marriage. This is one of the surest ways to stop gay marriage. Via con dios.
 
JFarrish et. al., throughout this whole discussion not once have I disagreed with anyone’s assertion about the importance of marriage in society, nor should I since I am married with two children. My wife makes much more money than I and we believe it is best for our children to have a parent at home to care for them, and that parent is me for the last seven years; I gave up my career because I believe the children and the family are more important than my work. I dearly miss my career and would rather not have this job, but I am taking one for the team because I believe the team is stronger than my selfish desires. Frankly, I almost entirely agree with the Catholic position on marriage, the with the obvious exception of the current qualifying condition of gender to benefit from the institution.

I’m on your side and so are the gays, that’s why they want to be a part of it. Marriage is important to society, so why limit the institution? It makes better sense to me to expand it so that more people and society may benefit from it. To declare homosexuals, who are otherwise law-abiding and productive citizens, deviants, dirty, dangerous, and unfit for society is counter productive to a society that benefits from giving all members (with the obvious exclusion of criminals) equal standing and protection. Furthermore, homosexuality itself is not a crime and neither is gay sex.

But all the above is beside the point in regards to the law as it exists. I want to help you make a better case against gay marriage and will continue to hold my ground, which is the position of the courts, that in order to declare gay marriage bad for society the case must be made how gay marriage harms an individual and can prove specific damage besides hurting one’s sensibilities. It must be shown how a gay marriage has infringed upon your constitutional rights. Those are the rules of the court and the constitution, not mine, and as long as the courts have the final say and until a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage is passed, that question must be answered in the context of existing law. The courts will not recognize speculative pronouncements of the dangers of gay marriage until someone can convince a court how gay marriage has harmed an individual. The gays have successfully convinced the courts how they, individually, are harmed by being denied the rights and benefits of marriage, and the anti-gay marriage side needs to do the exact same thing. There are six states which allow gay marriage and I am sure there must be someone in one of those states who feels as strongly as you all do how detrimental it is and is willing to go before a judge to prove how he/she has been harmed or denied his/her constitutional rights as a direct cause of gay marriage. This is one of the surest ways to stop gay marriage. Via con dios.
It is a legislative issue not one to be decided by law making judges.
 
It is a legislative issue not one to be decided by law making judges.
buffalo, for the record, I know you’ve been a CA member for 7+ years.
I know too that you have posted more than 20,000 times.

One more thing: I have never known you
to post any “drive by, unqualified, vague cracks.”
 
**It’s been quite a while since I’ve visited CAF, could someone please enlighten me on what the church is doing to overturn gay marriage in states and countries where it is legal? **

I have no idea. Maybe just praying for the conversion of the pagans? 😉
Just curious, but I do find it curious that you linked up conversion to this legal fight.

Is evangelism a primary aim of the legislative activism against gay marriage?
 
The American Constitution was designed to protect the majority from the unlawful dominance of a perverse minority. But in America today that perverse minority wants to impose its will on the majority. In some cases, where it is aided and abetted by perverse judges, it has succeeded to a degree. It will not succeed forever. Christianity overcame the practice of gladiatorial combat by the 4th century, and likewise overcame the practice of killing the elderly and those born with defects. Today I believe it will in due time overcome the State honoring and supporting the bottom-feeding advocates of sodomy.
How is homosexual sex the same as gladiatorial combat, infanticide, and euthanasia? I’m a little curious as to how you made that leap.
 
…Marriage is important to society, so why limit the institution? It makes better sense to me to expand it so that more people and society may benefit from it. To declare homosexuals, who are otherwise law-abiding and productive citizens, deviants, dirty, dangerous, and unfit for society is counter productive to a society that benefits from giving all members (with the obvious exclusion of criminals) equal standing and protection…
Do you also believe that a marriage of three people should be recognized legally? Such an institution seems to be just as defensible using the same line of reasoning you used to defend gay marriage. How would recognizing three-way marriages harm society in your mind? There may not be any pressure for such recognition now, but in principle there could be in the future. And if such an issue arose, where would you stand?
 
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I would highly suggest we observe the forum rules on charity and showing respect for the Catholic Church, as this IS a Catholic forum.
Violations to this will be met with prompt action.
 
Let’s start a sister thread called “See which of your representatives is destroying the Middle Class!” :rolleyes:
 
Put your congressman to the test and demand that he advocate real reform, push for a strict Biblical definition of marriage. Emphasize the holy and sacramental and get rid of inheritance laws, health benefits, hospital visitation, adoption, and any other secular “right” that distorts the true Biblical definition of marriage and makes it all about secular values.

Let’s get back to real “traditional,” not some made up, liberal, 20th century perversion that makes it all about money and who gets what. American woman 200 years ago couldn’t own property or have credit, their role was to produce children and lots of 'em. See what I’m talking about? Advocate for real Biblical, traditional, conservative marriage and the homosexual community wouldn’t want to be married. Problem solved.
 
Let’s get back to real “traditional,” not some made up, liberal, 20th century perversion that makes it all about money and who gets what. American woman 200 years ago couldn’t own property or have credit, their role was to produce children and lots of 'em. See what I’m talking about? Advocate for real Biblical, traditional, conservative marriage and the homosexual community wouldn’t want to be married. Problem solved.
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That means we must uniformly uphold and defend the teaching, lest we actually undermine and invalidate it. In other words, we cannot pat ourselves on the back for attempting to address the activities of a small segment of the pupulation while ignoring the attack on the Sacrament of Marriage from a heterosexual community with a 50% divorce rate.
Yep, I agree with you 100%. No more cafeteria-style, pick and choose which rules we are going to enforce. Traditional means traditional for everyone, not just for people who can’t get married in the first place. Support traditional marriage and overturn no-fault divorce!
 
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