Seeing Black Holes

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So I watched a documentary on black holes on the Science channels called Seeing Black Holes. It was an extremely interesting documentary into “black holes”. I use quotations because:

1.) All of the scientists stated very candidly that they had never actually seen a black hole.
  1. Everything that is known about black holes is based solely on theory, with absolutely no evidence since one has never been seen, so obviously couldn’t be tested.
3.) The host, as well as all of the other scientists that were interviewed seemed genuinely unnerved that in studying black holes, general relativity and quantum mechanics are incompatible. Not only that, but he, as well as the other scientists, stated that they know virtually nothing about the universe and because of this, much, if not all of science may be wrong. Wow. Maybe I misunderstood the documentary but this is what I got from it.

I studied the basic sciences in high school and college so I’m no expert but to see and hear how nervous these prolific scientists were about the incompatibility of Einstein’s theories and quantum mechanics was extremely interesting, to say the least.
 
It seems the more we learn about the universe, the more we learn we will never fully understand the universe! I am fascinated with quantum mechanics and think it will be the next big step in our seemingly growing knowledge of how things work.

Are you familiar with the Double Slit Experiment?? Check it out, it reminds me of how some scientists react the black holes.

youtube.com/watch?v=t7YBmOk1nQw&feature=fvst
 
dudeist said:
It seems the more we learn about the universe, the more we learn we will never fully understand the universe! I am fascinated with quantum mechanics and think it will be the next big step in our seemingly growing knowledge of how things work.

Are you familiar with the Double Slit Experiment?? Check it out, it reminds me of how some scientists react the black holes.

youtube.com/watch?v=t7YBmOk1nQw&feature=fvst
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Thanks for the link! This is much easier to understand (well, I use the term lightly) than the static illustrations in the book I’m reading: In Search of Schrodinger’s Cat by John Gribbin.

Isn’t God just fantastic? He gives us all these fascinating things to figure out, and just when we think we figured out something, it leads to a million more questions!!👍
 
Scientists have learned to live with ambiguity and contradictory results. It was only a few years back that the estimated age of the oldest stars in the universe was higher than the estimated age of the universe itself–surely a disconcerting result. However, the scientists simply noted that one or both estimates were wrong, and lived with it, while taking data and interpreting other data to get better estimates and models. Eventually the problem was resolved–for now at least.

We know that, in the extreme conditions of black holes, one or both of our major theories of the universe is wrong, or at least inaccurate–but we don’t really know how much, or even which one.
 
dudeist said:
It seems the more we learn about the universe, the more we learn we will never fully understand the universe! I am fascinated with quantum mechanics and think it will be the next big step in our seemingly growing knowledge of how things work.

Are you familiar with the Double Slit Experiment?? Check it out, it reminds me of how some scientists react the black holes.

youtube.com/watch?v=t7YBmOk1nQw&feature=fvst
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Extremely interesting and confusing at the same time. So if matter can have both wave and particle nature, which makes no scientific sense, why can’t we have both human and divine nature?
 
dandingo said:
Extremely interesting and confusing at the same time. So if matter can have both wave and particle nature, which makes no scientific sense, why can’t we have both human and divine nature?
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We have both a body and a divine soul, don’t we?
 
Peggy_in_Burien said:
We have both a body and a divine soul, don’t we?
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This was more of a rhetorical question to the atheist/agnostic that needs absolute, empirical proof of everything in order to believe in it. But yes, I agree with you.
 
dandingo said:
Extremely interesting and confusing at the same time. So if matter can have both wave and particle nature, which makes no scientific sense, why can’t we have both human and divine nature?
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Who says we don’t? It is only the interpretation of the Church that the hyopostatic union is attributed only to Jesus, who referred to Himself as “the son of man.” In other systems, notably that of the non dualists, who over time and irrespective of circumstances always articulate nearly the exact same picture of God/Man, the Divine Nature supports the realm of mortal mind that is unaware of it. When one is graced by work or “accident” and sees beyond the limits of their personal mind, there is a discernible shift of identity. many Saints seem to have got stuck short of this because of the insistence of the Church that there is no further Truth to experience. Go figure. It’s one reason, though the lyrics are not his, I like Taj Mahal’s Take a Giant Step–Outside your Mind. It is not a suggestion to be taken lightly and is very practical. It might even help with he dilemma of schematic contradictions of the paradigms of physics.
 
Our soul is made in the image and likeness of God, is all that I was referring to. I didn’t intend any disrespect to the Lord.
 
I went to click “like” and then realized I wasn’t on facebook
 
Please take the body/soul argument to a separate thread.

Back on topic, black holes are, almost by definition, invisible, but there are two ways to “see” them. One is by the radiation emitted by the very hot gasses that surround them and are being sucked into them. The other is by the speeds of objects orbiting them. If stars are observed zipping very fast around a point in space, but nothing can be seen at that point, it’s a black hole.
 
there is no “argument” Divine means the nature of God…end of story, if someone doesn’t believe me, ask a professional apologist on here, or look it up in the dictionary
 
frankpetrucci83 said:
there is no “argument” Divine means the nature of God…end of story, if someone doesn’t believe me, ask a professional apologist on here, or look it up in the dictionary
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It’s still off-topic and should be taken to a different thread. End of story.
 
actually, the question was resolved until you brought it up again, what do black holes have to do with philosophy and apologetics anyway? Are you trying to assert some form of authority that you do not have? Because I certainly do not recognize it
 
Secondly, on a Catholic Forum, the truth is NEVER off-topic…if someone says something false about God, then it is proper, under the apologetics section, to point out the error, if you disagree with that, I’m afraid you’ll just have to live with your own opinion
 
Seeing is not believing. We cannot see the mind but we know we are not mindless!
There are other criteria of probability - both philosophical and scientific…
 
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