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I apologize for my heated response.True. Sufficient to “listen to Him” as Our Father called us to do from the cloud, regarding His Son in Whom He is “well pleased” … :bible1:
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Mystical_Seeker
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They may sound like attacks, but it’s hard for me to be silent because I have received so much benefit that I like to encourage people to try “radically” imagining the words. None of us are perfect, but there comes a time when it gets easy. Psychology calls it “flow.” I compare it to “the kingdom” although I don’t claim they are the same thing. I get kind of pressured like shouting from the mountain tops, etc. I was very psychotic and was healed. Your path and mine are different, but they are crossing and I believe that everything ends up being for the good. So it’s up to the Holy Spirit to take it from here.
Don’t worry about the deadly sins thing though – that was from Fr. Barron, not me. Plus I quit half way through the class so I got the gist but don’t know all the detail. So I found it useful to put the sinful tendencies into categories, but frankly even though I learn a lot from Fr. Barron I kind of keep my guard up because he comes off just a bit too establishment for me at times.
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Well I appreciate your often well-written, lengthy responses. I know I can be a little resistant to new ideas.They may sound like attacks, but it’s hard for me to be silent because I have received so much benefit that I like to encourage people to try “radically” imagining the words. None of us are perfect, but there comes a time when it gets easy. Psychology calls it “flow.” I compare it to “the kingdom” although I don’t claim they are the same thing. I get kind of pressured like shouting from the mountain tops, etc. I was very psychotic and was healed. Your path and mine are different, but they are crossing and I believe that everything ends up being for the good. So it’s up to the Holy Spirit to take it from here.
Don’t worry about the deadly sins thing though – that was from Fr. Barron, not me. Plus I quit half way through the class so I got the gist but don’t know all the detail. So I found it useful to put the sinful tendencies into categories, but frankly even though I learn a lot from Fr. Barron I kind of keep my guard up because he comes off just a bit too establishment for me at times.
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The only thing that draws my interest in writing them, is that based on the way your OP’s are worded, titled, and the way you discuss things, there is value. You have an open enough mind, I believe, to delve into something new even if you are resistant. So you may be resistant, but not closed off.
And why not resistant? If a certain mindset works for you, make someone else sell theirs to you never let them bully you. Or scare you with spooky language or threats of hell, IMO.
You have a good BS filter IMO, and it will guide you as surely as anything needs to.
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I didn’t read this carefully enough before. I have a couple additions to offer…
So I don’t see that we are different here. When I say “perfect” to me, it’s not about always Doing the Right Thing, per se. 1 Cor 13 that is read at weddings backs this up. To me it means something very useful but I’m not sure how to describe it in a few words. So I don’t mean to challenge you to live a perfect life – that’s what Jesus saved us from having to do.
And you are right that if there were no sin, there would be no need for forgiveness. I’m with you on that.
What I can do, is alter the way I think about and behave in the face of the fact that all of this wrong doing is going on. If I can be at peace even during storms, that is my goal to accept the gift of Christ’s peace He gave us “not as the world gives.”
The world can give us “comfort” by making conditions favorable for us. It lasts as long as the conditions are favorable.
Jesus gives us “peace” which is unconditional and eternal. The challenge is to find peace even during the storm – like the captain of a ship remaining calm or something maybe. This is my goal. I can see evil going on, but not have a “visceral reaction” to it that takes away my peace – and if it does, can I get it back before my mouth starts to curse it?
let me know if this answers your quesions better than my previous posts. I don’t want to shovel you a bunch of stuff unless it’s useful to you.
It’s OK to look at it that way.
Yes, and I think Rom 7 talks a bit about how confused Paul gets. He does not want to sin, but he does what he does not want to do. So he concludes that it is the sin in him that is doing it… something like that. you can read if you want.
I agree with this. That’s why I’m not a moralist, as much as a “mental conditioning” focused. Like the gospel John has more “inner teachings” than the others. I’m into how to think about enemies, and stuff like that. As far as sinning myself? I can’t say that I don’t sin according to anyone’s standard. Nor do I expect others to. If you do something to me, we can discuss it but if you do something “against God” then I’m not here to judge. I may offer to listen to a story but I try not to throw stones even by accident, if I can help it.
So I don’t see that we are different here. When I say “perfect” to me, it’s not about always Doing the Right Thing, per se. 1 Cor 13 that is read at weddings backs this up. To me it means something very useful but I’m not sure how to describe it in a few words. So I don’t mean to challenge you to live a perfect life – that’s what Jesus saved us from having to do.
And you are right that if there were no sin, there would be no need for forgiveness. I’m with you on that.
My wish to is hold nobody to any standard, except myself to have a desire to do the best thing, whatever I may think the best thing is at that time – even if I fail.
What I can do, is alter the way I think about and behave in the face of the fact that all of this wrong doing is going on. If I can be at peace even during storms, that is my goal to accept the gift of Christ’s peace He gave us “not as the world gives.”
The world can give us “comfort” by making conditions favorable for us. It lasts as long as the conditions are favorable.
Jesus gives us “peace” which is unconditional and eternal. The challenge is to find peace even during the storm – like the captain of a ship remaining calm or something maybe. This is my goal. I can see evil going on, but not have a “visceral reaction” to it that takes away my peace – and if it does, can I get it back before my mouth starts to curse it?
let me know if this answers your quesions better than my previous posts. I don’t want to shovel you a bunch of stuff unless it’s useful to you.
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meh.
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GLam8833
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We, who believe have died with Christ, His
Spirit, who died w/ Him is now living in us!
So we have a higher calling to holiness than
ALL WHO WENT BEFORE. As St. Peter
said: “He himself bore our sins on His own
body on the tree SO THAT we might die
to sin and live for righteousness” 1 Pet. 2:24
and “By His wounds YOU HAVE BEEN
HEALED” We have been healed of our
concupiscenses!!
Spirit, who died w/ Him is now living in us!
So we have a higher calling to holiness than
ALL WHO WENT BEFORE. As St. Peter
said: “He himself bore our sins on His own
body on the tree SO THAT we might die
to sin and live for righteousness” 1 Pet. 2:24
and “By His wounds YOU HAVE BEEN
HEALED” We have been healed of our
concupiscenses!!
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Mystical_Seeker
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Who can claim to be greater than another, given all that?
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Deo_Gratias42
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Get what? What is the “it” that these people get? How do you define “strong”?
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