Seeing the face of Jesus in others

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How do we do this, exactly? If a person is despicable:(, I know we’re taught to remember how Jesus Himself treated sinners. But most if not all of these sinners whose lives were touched by Him, they desired to turn and do right. If someone hates God, and is smug about it, etc., how can one possibly see the face of Jesus in him or her? (Just a note: I don’t really know anyone like this, so I’m not discreetly asking for advice, I just simply wonder.):confused:
 
First of all, the difference between any given sin of yours, mine, and that of the enemy you face, are details.

They have in common that we both started out as “perfect” babies, ostensibly with “original sin” which means we all have the capacity to sin against love.

Each kid has a certain DNA, development, and environment. While we can make general categorical statements that predict the collective statistics pretty closely at times, for what choices that person will make and what it will do and become, it is still individual.

That said, all combinations of nature and nurture create every sort of behavior, thought, and attitude in humans, and each one has a body but is unique from each other. Except Abby and Brittany Hensel, who share one. So they share some of their body, but have individual minds and hearts.

I get angry and wish a person would get hurt. A man hurts my loved one and I wish him to suffer for his actions. Or maybe I wish he would be locked up, or executed. Does it matter if I pulled the trigger? Yes. One kills a person, one doesn’t. But they both mean that I have anger. And anger is a concept in itself that we can identify and try to gain a closer honesty with ourselves.

So now a person keys my car for some reason. Or is rude to me. Or shoots my dog. I don’t know why. The person may be evil. They may have been hallucinating and thought they were saving you from an attack. The fact is there is damage. So what do we do?

Well if we are afraid for our safety, we are allowed to defend ourselves and according to the church, we may value our own lives above that of an aggressor.

But now there was this guy I was mad at. I could write a book on all the ways I could cleverly describe how thoroughly wrong and unreasonable this person was. He had cause great emotional and tangible damage to people I cared about. I got a book of insults and read some, and then read the most insulting but true description of him I could muster. That gave me some feeling of at least rhetorical command of the situation. I was calling it as I saw it. But then luckily I tore it up because I never wanted them to go anywhere except to treat my mind to the thoughts it wanted to taste, so that it could go ahead and get over them.

The results surprised me. I had put them down so badly, that I felt pity for them as victims of my rhetoric. I felt a little pride at having put them down, but then saw them as very vulnerable – even though they have done me damage I could cut them to the quick. Then I imagined how they were going to explain to God how they had done me. Suddenly I felt very sad because no matter what they have done, to imagine them standing before their Maker and giving them an account. Then my imagination imagined their heads exploding like on Raiders of the Lost Ark.

All of this was just running in my head after I read the letter and then thought, “how could they explain this God.”

Feeling pity for the perpetrators, for how it must feel to explain this to God, I wished for them not to feel badly for what they’ve done. I don’t want revenge. I don’t want to see my lust for revenge be disguised as “justice” as if I could judge another like the wicked servant who would not forgive after being forgiven.

So one step toward loving my enemy, was to feel pity for him, instead of anger and resentment or whatever, even for the exact same behavior.

I could write a lot more but I need a “work break” toward what stuff I’m committed to outside of CAF.

Sometimes I remember there is a world outside CAF. 😃
 
:nope: Here’s the logic tree.

We human beings were made in God’s image and likeness.

Christ is both God and man.

Therefore, since we are made in Christ’s image and likeness, then we have the face of Christ, especially when we are godly, and live godly lives.

Even though one may be despicable, this person is still made in God’s image and likeness, and therefore, deserves as much respect as the old grandparents in town.

:o Our relationship with God is so special that Pope Francis even likens gossip to stabbing Christ in the back. It doesn’t matter if you’re right or wrong, if you share the faults of your neighbor with others without objectively valid reasons, then you are stabbing Christ, your creator, in the back.

There is a secular mindset that is wide-spread now. It is: This person is despicable, a monster. He has wronged another human being, therefore he shall die. As Christians we are to respect the dignity of murderers, thieves, and rapists…:hmmm: albeit maybe to a lesser extent than how we would dignify our parents and all others who actively contribute to society.

Never wish chaos on others even though they are unlikable.
 
How do we do this, exactly? If a person is despicable:(, I know we’re taught to remember how Jesus Himself treated sinners. But most if not all of these sinners whose lives were touched by Him, they desired to turn and do right. If someone hates God, and is smug about it, etc., how can one possibly see the face of Jesus in him or her? (Just a note: I don’t really know anyone like this, so I’m not discreetly asking for advice, I just simply wonder.):confused:
Let me give you an example of how one can do this from my own life. My dad is a fallen away catholic and borders upon agnostic hatred of God to atheism (though intellectually I don’t think he can accept the latter). His own idea of God is a Giant who gets to … with you and poke you and then laughs. (that’s the tame version) Yet despite this I will tell you, I know for a fact he has a greater place in Christ than myself. How? He has a love for us (the kids) that is crushing in it’s magnitude. I didn’t see it at first until I was shown by the Spirit, but this man loves us kids more than anything. It’s indescribable. Unfathomable. So to finally answer your question… Love. Everyone has a small amount of love in them. Everyone. Even if it’s only a love of self. So first find what they love. Once you find the Love you find Christ.
 
How do we do this, exactly? If a person is despicable:(, I know we’re taught to remember how Jesus Himself treated sinners. But most if not all of these sinners whose lives were touched by Him, they desired to turn and do right. If someone hates God, and is smug about it, etc., how can one possibly see the face of Jesus in him or her? (Just a note: I don’t really know anyone like this, so I’m not discreetly asking for advice, I just simply wonder.):confused:
The short answer here is - “You can’t”.

Like many such things it is useful to try to do this, but there are always limitations.

You can’t see the face of Jesus in one who despises Him.
This is because the face of Jesus is simply not there.
It could be there - and we hope it someday will be there - but currently the one who, “hates God, and is smug about it”, displays the face of the evil one.

That said, we must be careful - very careful - for we might find ourselves judging wrongly.
As MS says above, there are many factors that go into what makes a person act as they do. Often times we cannot know these factors. All we see is a thin slice of the person. So rather than think the person is despicable (and beyond hope), it is better to think that their behavior is sinful, but that there is hope for them with God’s help.

Jesus not only ran into sinners who wanted to change. He also encountered sinners who did NOT want to change. I think it is also wise to consider how he dealt with these.
Mostly He tried to educate them - I think here of those who tried to trip Him up with various questions. Those who did not know any better (the pagan Pilate for example) he mostly pitied. I think the most useful thing for us is His instruction to the disciples when He sent them out on mission:
As you enter the house, greet it. If the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it; but if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town. Truly I tell you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.(Mt 10:12-15)
Notice how our actions and attitudes are not to change. If they will not hear - that is respond to our Christian outlook and action - then we simply leave them alone.
Of course, just like the father in the story of the prodigal, we stand ready to embrace one who changes, but we don not try to force change upon another. That is not our job.

Sorry - I seem to be digressing…
The bottom line is that with some people the “face of Christ” just does not exist in them (at least not yet), so it is not possible to see it there. More importantly we must seed not to lose the “face of Christ”, or the spirit of Christ in ourselves when we are dealing with such people.

Hope this helps a little

Peace
James
For me
 
Let me give you an example of how one can do this from my own life. My dad is a fallen away catholic and borders upon agnostic hatred of God to atheism (though intellectually I don’t think he can accept the latter). His own idea of God is a Giant who gets to … with you and poke you and then laughs. (that’s the tame version) Yet despite this I will tell you, I know for a fact he has a greater place in Christ than myself. How? He has a love for us (the kids) that is crushing in it’s magnitude. I didn’t see it at first until I was shown by the Spirit, but this man loves us kids more than anything. It’s indescribable. Unfathomable. So to finally answer your question… Love. Everyone has a small amount of love in them. Everyone. Even if it’s only a love of self. So first find what they love. Once you find the Love you find Christ.
A great answer…👍

Peace
James
 
How do we do this, exactly?

Easy, by not wishing them wrong. You cannot hate those who do you wrong we have to pray for them. The moment we wish them wrong we lose charity which Christ teaches us to have. I like the idea of seeing Christ in ALL people. This prevents me from wishing them wrong when I become mistreated. It’s a process that takes a lot of time of prayer and charity to change most of our negative ways. You cannot wish a person wrong if you see Christ face on them. Would you want to harm or wish evil upon Jesus? Not me. So we must do the same. Treat those that wish us harm with patience, kindness and dignity. All that will be doing really is planting a seed of love in them which won’t be seen possibly for a long time. We are to be Christ like as well meaning a loving example of charity and kindness. It’s never easy but it is spiritually enriching. 😉
 
Personally, I have never been able to see The Face of Christ in others, I can however and do see all as God’s beloved creation - people He was willing to Incarnate, live and die for and because of His Great Love of every single person without exemption and that His Overwhelming Love is forever faithful, never withdrawn. I am called to do likewise.

It does beg the question, what IS Love?
 
Personally, I have never been able to see The Face of Christ in others, I can however and do see all as God’s beloved creation - people He was willing to Incarnate, live and die for and because of His Great Love of every single person without exemption and that His Overwhelming Love is forever faithful, never withdrawn. I am called to do likewise.

It does beg the question, what IS Love?
You just answered your own question. Or as St John said, “God is Love”.

Peace
James
 
This is my opinion, but it seems to be in line with the Scriptures & Deposit of Faith:

Jesus Christ is the full revelation of God. From all eternity, He was to be the “lamb slain from the foundation of the world”. In a sense, I think God eternally sees His Son in view of the Incarnation. Christ didn’t suddenly appear in Heaven (with wounds & glorified body after His Mission on Earth was complete), as if this was something “new” to God’s experience of His Son. No! This was how God the Father has seen and known His Son from all eternity: “The One Who Shall Become Man”, “The One Who Is the Son of Man”; “The True Man”, “The Man Who Gives Himself”, just like the Father gives Himself to the Son (and the Holy Spirit gives Himself).

I think God has forever seen His Son with a human nature. God has forever envisioned Him as the Son of Mary. God has forever known Him with the wounds of His Passion. In this sense, Jesus didn’t incarnate with our human image, but rather the image of the Original Human Face - from which our humanity comes - is that of Jesus Christ, waited and expected. He wasn’t incarnate from all eternity (for Christ is God, and God is Spirit and Truth), but I think God His Father has forever seen the Word as Incarnate. This is why the blessed Virgin is so gloriously important. This is why human beings are far more precious than we realize.

So, what does all that theology have to do with seeing the Lord in other people? Well, if we see that we are made in the image of Him who is the very Image of God (the Son of God, who eternally planned to become Man) then we realize that our very humanity proceeds from the joyful expectation of the humanity of the Word of God. He waited for all eternity for Mary to humbly accept the request of the Angel Gabriel. When she accepted, it was as if everything was complete. This is the mystery of timeless eternity: the one in whose image Mary was made waited for Mary’s free acceptance of His Grace before He could form that human face in her womb.

We are made in the image of Christ, who is God. Christ has had His Human Face for all eternity, in the mind & plan of God the Father. That is why it should be easy to see Jesus in others. We look exactly like Him. He looks like us.

This is far too mystical, and probably sounds heretical… I wish I could explain what I mean better. Hopefully it isn’t scandalous or strange. All I want to say is that whenever we see a human person, we see the very icon of Christ. We are His mirror image: man, woman, child, elderly. It is in our very essence to be like Him. Why else does God give us laws, commandments, and divine orders? It’s so we might act like Him… so we might more perfectly look like Him.

Remember that the Holy Trinity is pure relationship; friendship, even. That Unity is of absolute love. God is Love beyond description; God is the definition of Love. God does not love; God IS Love. To prove that, the Word of God became man and died for us. That’s what love does: it immolates itself for love of others. If we are made in that Image, we ourselves are each an image not just of Christ, but also of the Holy Trinity: all three Persons, and one God. In relationship, in communion, in friendship, and in love we see Jesus.

You can’t see Jesus in someone if you see that person as an enemy! You can only see the title: “Enemy”, the label “Enemy”. Look with the eyes of mercy, and befriend the “evil” people… then you see Jesus. THEN the Relationship that is the Trinity dwells between the two of you, and you see clearly.
 
i think the word “despicable” is a terrible word. no one is despicable because any of us could succumb to the same sins.
 
You just answered your own question. Or as St John said, “God is Love”.

Peace
James
God is indeed Love!
What I meant by my statement “which begs the question, what IS love?” I meant what does love look like when lived out in daily life. What are it’s qualities and are there any limitations?
I have never been able to see the Face of Christ in others I am afraid, I can however see every single person as beloved of God no matter their state of soul which I cannot judge anyway. Even when a person is totally cruel and mean towards me, even if their soul perchance might be steeped in mortal sin - God never stops Loving them. God never stops loving every single person He has created. We are called to do likewise. It is not easy, it is a challenge and for most a lifetime’s work probably.

"What does love look like?
It has the hands to help others.
It has the feet to hasten to the poor and needy.
It has eyes to see the misery and want.
It has the ears to hear the sighs and sorrows of men.
That is what love looks like.”

St. Augustinesistersofstrita.org/content/st-augustine
 
:nope: Here’s the logic tree.

We human beings were made in God’s image and likeness.

Christ is both God and man.

Therefore, since we are made in Christ’s image and likeness, then we have the face of Christ, especially when we are godly, and live godly lives.

Even though one may be despicable, this person is still made in God’s image and likeness, and therefore, deserves as much respect as the old grandparents in town.

:o Our relationship with God is so special that Pope Francis even likens gossip to stabbing Christ in the back. It doesn’t matter if you’re right or wrong, if you share the faults of your neighbor with others without objectively valid reasons, then you are stabbing Christ, your creator, in the back.

There is a secular mindset that is wide-spread now. It is: This person is despicable, a monster. He has wronged another human being, therefore he shall die. As Christians we are to respect the dignity of murderers, thieves, and rapists…:hmmm: albeit maybe to a lesser extent than how we would dignify our parents and all others who actively contribute to society.

Never wish chaos on others even though they are unlikable.
Not wanting to derail the topic,but just wanted to add I don’t think this is a secular thing but a Nationality “people’s collective consciousness” thing.
Eg:In Australia,we don’t have the death penalty,most people don’t agree with the death penalty,but I wouldn’t exactly call us a religious country.
 
How do we do this, exactly? If a person is despicable:(, I know we’re taught to remember how Jesus Himself treated sinners. But most if not all of these sinners whose lives were touched by Him, they desired to turn and do right. If someone hates God, and is smug about it, etc., how can one possibly see the face of Jesus in him or her? (Just a note: I don’t really know anyone like this, so I’m not discreetly asking for advice, I just simply wonder.):confused:
Just recognize in them the image of God, which is their capacity to know and to will, to know God and to love Him. This is the way we can truly see the face of God in the despicable. God bless you.
 
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