"Seek and ye Shall Find" What if you don't?

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The Bible says if you search for God you will find him, but I know of several atheists who are former Christians who say they searched wholeheartedly for God and didn’t find him. One said compared his former faith to a good dream, which seemed so real while it happened, but eventually ended. How would you respond to this?
 
I would say that they have not loved and/or suffered enough. The world has lulled them into a self-absorbed slumber.

If your friends were truly in search of God and not just “a good dream” that did not end, then not finding Him would reduce their lives to an empty, meaningless wandering into nothingness. Is that what they say? If they don’t, they never sought Him. If they do, He is calling them yet.
 
The Bible says if you search for God you will find him, but I know of several atheists who are former Christians who say they searched wholeheartedly for God and didn’t find him. One said compared his former faith to a good dream, which seemed so real while it happened, but eventually ended. How would you respond to this?
You can ask him when he was looking for God… what was it he expected to find?

Maybe he missed finding God, because he over looked God when he meet God.

Ask the other person, “what ended”, how does he know it “ended”, what made it different than when it seemed real.

You need to know more from them… what they expected, what they felt, saw, noticed, didn’t feel, didn’t find, etc.

Then you will be able to help them more.

Always pray for guidance.

Come Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of your faithful and kindle in them the fire of your love.

V. Send forth your Spirit, and they shall be created.
R. And You shall renew the face of the earth.

Let us pray.
O, God, who by the light of the Holy Spirit, did instruct the hearts of the faithful, grant that by the same Holy Spirit we may be truly wise and ever enjoy His consolations. Through Christ Our Lord. Amen.
 
The Bible says if you search for God you will find him, but I know of several atheists who are former Christians who say they searched wholeheartedly for God and didn’t find him. One said compared his former faith to a good dream, which seemed so real while it happened, but eventually ended. How would you respond to this?
This sounds like a shallow answer but truly they didn’t search hard enough. El does not hide from those who seek him in their hearts.
 
The Bible says if you search for God you will find him, but I know of several atheists who are former Christians who say they searched wholeheartedly for God and didn’t find him. One said compared his former faith to a good dream, which seemed so real while it happened, but eventually ended. How would you respond to this?
People search for God on their own terms. That is not seeking. It sounds like they may be enjoying a “dream” now. I culture and society make it relatively easy to fill ourselves with other things. One needs to look authentically at their soul and purpose.

Our purpose is not to be happy and is not to have a certain job or family. It’s much deeper than that and your friends need to dive into that Thelma to be true seekers.

As far as seeking goes, I am a former baptist and my grandma raised my dad Bretheren and can i just urge you to be a truth seeker yourself regarding Christ and his Church he founded.
 
The Bible says if you search for God you will find him, but I know of several atheists who are former Christians who say they searched wholeheartedly for God and didn’t find him. One said compared his former faith to a good dream, which seemed so real while it happened, but eventually ended. How would you respond to this?
What else would you expect to hear from them? “I didn’t search for God wholeheartedly”?

They say exactly what one would expect them to say, which falsifies nothing about Christ’s words.
 
The Bible says if you search for God you will find him, but I know of several atheists who are former Christians who say they searched wholeheartedly for God and didn’t find him. One said compared his former faith to a good dream, which seemed so real while it happened, but eventually ended. How would you respond to this?
Well I think the obvious thing is that this is not an empirical statement.

That means it is non-falsifiable, it can never be proven wrong - as the very competent sophistry evident so far makes clear.

That doesn’t mean there isn’t a deep truth to be found in it.
 
Personal experience, we don’t need to search for God, He will find us. As I have told before I was very young and without a clue what or who God is, or why. Yet I did find myself praying, not knowing why or how. At that point in my life all was OK. Far away where the days and years in school where I was constantly bullied and the time when my depression and panic-attacks would cripple me, a marriage that was straight from hell, and I did not try enough, I know, but if someone does not love you there is not much you can do. What ever I have faced Jesus have been with me. There was a time of my life when all could have gone bad but Christ did not let that happen. I have never search for Him, that is maybe wrong, but I know He is with me. Bad things happen if I sin, and good things if I repent, so far. I don’t want, and I hope I never have, or will, try His patience, but He is with me. I love Christ, and right now, He is with me, as always.
 
Been going through an upheaval myself, spiritually for several months and I think I am only now starting to see light at the end of the tunnel. This is only since Monday. I pray I am coming back to Jesus in a true way.

I have asked for God. Searched for guidance. I am sure he answers. I pray that he has answered my prayers.
 
Just because a person searching hasn’t found God yet, doesn’t mean they’ll never find Him. The Master calls workers into the vineyard at different times.
 
The Bible says if you search for God you will find him, but I know of several atheists who are former Christians who say they searched wholeheartedly for God and didn’t find him. One said compared his former faith to a good dream, which seemed so real while it happened, but eventually ended. How would you respond to this?
Where did they look? Did they look in the Church?

God dwelt with Israel in the Temple. The Spirit of God was found in the glory cloud in the Temple. Christ said that Mary herself should have known that he would be in His Father’s house doing his Father’s business. The four men broke through the roof to get into the house to see Jesus - Jesus was inside and the crowds were trying to get in - Jesus did not go out. Peter tried to walk on water and even made it a few steps, but he could not stand for long and had to be helped back into the boat.

Where did these people look? You can find God in many places but the Holy Spirit blows where he wills and His presence is often fleeting and difficult to discern. God in the person of Jesus Christ will always be found in his Holy Church and will always speak through legitimate authority of the Church.

Where the Church is, there is Christ.

-Tim-
 
For whom were they seeking? Were they seeking for God in their own image? Did they perhaps overlook God already with them?

Were they seeking in a way that avoids what God is asking of them?

Where were they seeking? Were they seeking in the Church? Under the guidance of a spiritual authority? Jesus established the Church for us for a reason.

How long did they seek? God does not always show up on our timetable, but if we endure to the end, God will find us.
 
The Bible says if you search for God you will find him, but I know of several atheists who are former Christians who say they searched wholeheartedly for God and didn’t find him. One said compared his former faith to a good dream, which seemed so real while it happened, but eventually ended. How would you respond to this?
In general I would advise them to remain open minded on the subject and then I would pray for them.

In regards to the specific example you offered…
He compared his former faith to a dream that seemed so real but eventually ended. Now he is an atheist - and this seems real to him.
So ask him…What makes him (or her) so sure that it’t God who is the dream and that the atheism is real???

Sadly - just as Jesus predicted in the parable of the sower and the seed - there will be those who receive the word with joy but then, for whatever reason, lose it.

Peace
James
 
The Bible says if you search for God you will find him, but I know of several atheists who are former Christians who say they searched wholeheartedly for God and didn’t find him. One said compared his former faith to a good dream, which seemed so real while it happened, but eventually ended. How would you respond to this?
Can I take a rather cold-blooded, but I hope not uncharitable view?

How did they search?

What did they expect to find?

Disembodied voices? Mystical visions? An all-encompassing sense of fulfillment and transcendent union? The fulfillment of all their wishes?

Some do, but I expect those are rather unusual experiences for Christians.

Most of the rest of us have to work hard and ceaselessly at the process of approaching God, through daily prayer, through charity, through keeping the Commandments, through the sacraments, through looking for Christ in your fellow man, through resisting temptation, through reading holy scripture. You’re not guaranteed some kind of mystical experiential proof of God from all of this, and some of our greatest saints and most saintly people (St. John of God, Mother Teresa) still experienced crippling periods of crippling doubt. They remained steadfast though.

You do all those things, and you are likely to feel closer to, and communion with, God. If you don’t, or if you did and the feeling fades (as your friend described) you keep doing them anyway because the payoff is not in achieving b because you did a. It doesn’t work like that.

You do all those things because you have extended a reasoned (i.e., there’s some kind of reason) belief towards God, and it could be as simple as you feel that belief in God is more reasonable than not, or even that you simply prefer to believe in a world with God than in a world where you don’t. I know some people who believe in God because of the way that a piece of music about God made them feel. I doubt that God much cares why you come to Him, and there are many paths, he’s just glad you came. And then you do it because Jesus is our Lord and he told us to do it. Period. Not because you can come to “know” him or even because you can achieve salvation.

I don’t know if you can describe any of those paths as “Faith.” I think Faith isn’t getting on the path, that’s just a decision (albeit a good one.) Faith is the process of staying on the path once you made the choice to start traveling on it. It’s G.K. Chesterton’s definition of Faith that I hold - keeping to a reasoned belief despite what our changing moods tell us.
 
How would you respond to this?
I wouldn’t; I would just pray and then continue to live Christ.

It’s a fallacy to think that there is going to be this perfect argument that is going to convert everyone. It is possible for people to perfectly understand something and reject it.
 
The Bible says if you search for God you will find him, but I know of several atheists who are former Christians who say they searched wholeheartedly for God and didn’t find him. One said compared his former faith to a good dream, which seemed so real while it happened, but eventually ended. How would you respond to this?
I sought Him and “found” Him. Maybe they really didn’t seek hard enough. Like anything else, you really have to want it.
 
I find your answers judgmental and shallow. You’d rather easily dismiss someone by attacking their credibility and make excuses for their inability, rather than face the fact that you can seek all you want and yet he is nowhere to be found. That you are possibly worshiping nothing. That there are no answers being given. That every good thing in your life is you, nothing else.
 
I find your answers judgmental and shallow. You’d rather easily dismiss someone by attacking their credibility and make excuses for their inability, rather than face the fact that you can seek all you want and yet he is nowhere to be found. That you are possibly worshiping nothing. That there are no answers being given. That every good thing in your life is you, nothing else.
And you speak from lack of experience. The fact is that no one can “find” God for another person.
 
I find your answers judgmental and shallow. You’d rather easily dismiss someone by attacking their credibility and make excuses for their inability, rather than face the fact that you can seek all you want and yet he is nowhere to be found. That you are possibly worshiping nothing. That there are no answers being given. That every good thing in your life is you, nothing else.
The above assertion might be valid if this were a non-Christian venue - but it is not.

The OP is a Christian - on a Christian website - seeking Christian answers from Christians.

In this venue we do not have to make allowances or references for the possibilities that you present because, as Christians, we have universally rejected this as a possibility.

As for the referenced reply being judgmental and shallow…I would agree that the answer is not as tactful as I would choose to present it, but at the same time there is - in that reply - a challenge to the OP to persevere and to consider different techniques and avenues of seeking after God in prayer and in life.

We all need such challenges from time to time.

Peace
James
 
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