Seeking Advice: First time visiting an Orthodox Church this Easter

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Hi,

I am planning on visiting an Orthodox Church this Easter. Can someone recommend to me which night or nights it would be best to go? Why would I choose Greek over Russian? Which would be better for a first time (read, most accessible music perhaps)?

I am planning on phoning the church ahead of time to make sure the liturgy is in English. Which liturgy am I likely to see? Can someone point me to an explanation of it online?

Do I wear a jacket & tie or casual? What will be the dress code? How long shall the service be?

Is there anything I’ve missed above that I should know before I attend?

And finally, I shall be in Wayne County near the monastery (Harper Woods); can someone recommend a church to go to?
 
I am planning on visiting an Orthodox Church this Easter. Can someone recommend to me which night or nights it would be best to go? Why would I choose Greek over Russian? Which would be better for a first time (read, most accessible music perhaps)?
The Russian churches have more “Westernized” four-part harmony music. Although, any church will be beautiful. The Orthodox and Western churches share a date for Pascha (Easter) this year, so I’d show up at maybe 11:30 PM Saturday night and don’t plan on coming home til about 3-4 AM Sunday 👍
I am planning on phoning the church ahead of time to make sure the liturgy is in English. Which liturgy am I likely to see? Can someone point me to an explanation of it online?
There is a special service (rather, a collection of services) for Pascha. Check out this link: orthodoxwiki.org/Pascha#Celebration_of_the_feast
Do I wear a jacket & tie or casual? What will be the dress code? How long shall the service be?
Depends on the parish. I’d wear business casual at least. I put on a jacket and tie for Pascha. Expect it to be 3-4 hours long – lots and lots of singing!
Is there anything I’ve missed above that I should know before I attend?
It is the tradition of the Orthodox churches to stand throughout the entire service. If you want or need to sit down, though, feel free to grab a chair. No one will mind or probably even notice.

Also, be prepared for a giant feast after the service. The traditional Orthodox Lenten fast is to abstain from meat, dairy, wine and oil for all of Lent and Holy Week.
And finally, I shall be in Wayne County near the monastery (Harper Woods); can someone recommend a church to go to?
I’m not familiar with that area, but check out this page: www.orthodoxyinamerica.org
 
Hi John,

First thought>>> Make sure you’re showing up for Easter, if that’s what you mean to do. I understand that some years, at least, our respective calendars don’t agree at that point.

Second thought>>> I think Chesterton said something like, ‘All roads lead to Rome.’ No, but really, as a methodist in transition I’ve sometimes thought about Orthodoxy. Bottom line for me ---- I’m a westerner, globally speaking. Which of the ancient episcopal sees speaks to my bailiwick? I think its got to be Rome.

Third and final >>>** He is Risen Indeed.**

God bless you!
Wes
 
Hi John,

Christ is risen! Did you manage to make it to the service?
 
Hi John,

Christ is risen! Did you manage to make it to the service?
Yes, I am wondering the same. How did you like it? I personally loved it as I missed the opportunity to attend Holy Week/Paschal services last year. The joy was beyond words!

In Christ,
Andrew
 
I cannot speak for John of course, but while we’re on the subject, I did attend my first Easter Vigil last evening. Wonderful. Love the bells — when we moved into the New Covenant stuff.
 
Hi all,

I was just going to write a ‘Thanks to all’ and leave it at that, I really didn’t expect people to express interest… It is, after all, the Internets.

First of all thanks all for the advice, I’m glad the forums and her ?] users are here.

I went to an 11:00am Russian Orthodox Service and an 11:00pm Greek Orthodox Service. It was 5 hours of church in one day and admittedly, a little exhausting. Both were fantastic experiences and they’ve both made my choice of church far more difficult…

Russian Orthodox

The Russian church was my first standing service and my first Orthodox Service. I loved it and I have to say that of all the services I’ve been to, their wearing your best clothing and for lack of a better word, casual, approach to formal behavior is perfect. It was the first ‘human’ church I’ve been to.

They celebrated the Liturgy of St. Basil and while the website said the service was in Russian and English, it was entirely Russian excepting the Old Testament readings. That said, I’ve never heard so much Bible reading, and it was all chanted. Wonderful. And doubly Old Testament so since it was English and we didn’t speak Russian;) I saw the Eucharist celebrated, and it was everything it’s known to be.

The other major memory of the visit was that the worshipers would prostrate themselves in front of the sarcophagus. I have just learnt about the body/spirit connection and how action is a necessary part of worship as a result (from several Catholic Theology books). In January I held my hands out (with the rest of the Catholic congregation) as a suppliant, and now knowing the importance of such a thing, when the people would kneel and touch their heads to the floor to pray, I think I understood, and it was perfect. This approach to God’s presence was an utterly new idea to me and I shall adopt it.

It’s been two days since I went and I am really looking forwards to attending a Russian or similar church again in the near future. The more I consider it, the more I want to go. Will have to find one in my area (Toronto, Canada).

Greek Orthodox

The Greek Orthodox service was actually the more enjoyable experience perhaps because it was mostly in English, and was slightly closer to what I’m used to: sitting & watching, standing & singing. It ran three hours from 11 to 2:00am and we held candles which dripped shocking wax over our thumbs for slightly over two of those hours.

The priest who spoke was a wise and well-humoured man and I realized tonight (Monday) that he read the Easter announcement from the Patriarch of Constantinople. When you think about it, it’s not Istanbul, it’s Constantinople. His sermon was excellent. In the heart of a depression era Michigan he stated that ‘God will always answer your prayers if they are about salvation’. Courage and truth. It all took place under a giant Byzantine Dome, the first Byzantine architecture I’ve seen (hahahaha. Good ol’ North America).

I wish I knew the words to the hymn we all sang when we went outside. Since I would only be able to parrot the English lines, I kept my voice ‘sotto’ during the celebration.

The liturgy was St. Chrysostom’s and in English. I followed along bits of it in the book as best I could but had difficulty as there were many hymns interspersed throughout (I assume). Fantastic music. And since I’ve discovered this thing called ‘liturgy’ in January, I can’t get enough. The liturgy is I think my next major topic to study. I want to understand the services from their depths to their heights.

Conclusion

Overall despite the cultural barriers I felt as equally at home in the Orthodox Churches as I do in my present Catholic Church, and the Catholic church is the first church I’ve liked in a decade so that’s quite an accomplishment (n.b. excluding St. John’s Anglican in Detroit).

There are two things I have taken (so far) from Saturday. Firstly to seriously consider the Orthodox Churches. I plan on buying the two volumes of The Truth of Our Faith and found, by random luck, volume 1 of The Philokalia on a Saturday bookstore visit, which I’m looking forwards to read. So far I’ve only read Timothy Ware’s book and have tried Lossky’s Introduction but was defeated (this time).

Secondly, the devotion of the people in the Russian Church, their worship taught me a lot.

I’ve much more to say but I’m going to wait and process the data myself and not publish it here.

Please post comments or anything and thanks all for the advice.
 
The other major memory of the visit was that the worshipers would prostrate themselves in front of the sarcophagus. I have just learnt about the body/spirit connection and how action is a necessary part of worship as a result (from several Catholic Theology books)
This is going to sound silly but the prostrating is my absolute favorite part. It really feels like I’m giving something to God. My prayers are tainted by my sin (and I often get distracted), but a prostration is so simple and it feels so right, like I’m worshipping Him more correctly. We only do it several times a year in church (though many people prostrate themselves while praying at home):
  • Sunday of the Cross we prostrate ourselves before the cross, the third sunday in Lent
  • Holy Thursday we prostrate before the cross (a big one) with Jesus on it
  • Good Friday + Holy Saturday we prostrate ourselves before the tomb
  • The Elevation of the Cross we prostrate ourselves before the cross (again) Sept 14th (I think, though it’s different in the Russian church)
On the Sunday of the Cross and the Elevation of the Cross they sing a gorgeous hymn while people go to venerate the cross:

Before Thy Cross we bow down in worship O Master, and Thy Holy Resurrection we glorify!

Anyhow, it sounded like you liked the prostrations so I thought I’d let you know more about them. Wow, I said the word prostration a lot, it must be a pain to read it, sorry!
 
volume 1 of The Philokalia on a Saturday bookstore visit, which I’m looking forwards to read. So far I’ve only read Timothy Ware’s book and have tried Lossky’s Introduction but was defeated (this time)
The Philokalia can be extremely difficult if you don’t have a good foundation in the world view and concepts expressed in it. I recommend Bread & Water, Wine & Oil by Archimandrite Meletios Weber. It is very easy to understand and will make your reading of The Philokalia much more meaningful and rewarding.

Yours in Christ
Joe
 
The Philokalia can be extremely difficult if you don’t have a good foundation in the world view and concepts expressed in it. I recommend Bread & Water, Wine & Oil by Archimandrite Meletios Weber. It is very easy to understand and will make your reading of The Philokalia much more meaningful and rewarding.
Joe- I too think Bread & Water, Wine & Oil is excellent. It’s such a readable book, at the same time not dumbed down. I go back and read parts of it periodically - you can just pick it up and open to any page and find something useful.

I think Protopresbyter Alexander Schmemann’s For the Life of the World: Sacraments and Orthodoxy is often recommended and used copies are easy to find.

I’m not sure I’ve actually ever read either of those fully cover to cover but still I do pick them up and read chunks periodically.

Also, All the Fullness of God: Essays on Orthodoxy, Ecumenism and Modern Society by Father Thomas Hopko. I like his podcasts, too.

Seems to me there were many good reads suggested in a thread last year, maybe in Eastern Catholicism section, where someone reminded me of the Schmemann. Unfortunately, I never seem to have success using the “search” feature here to find old posts again. Maybe someone else will remember it.
 
This is going to sound silly but the prostrating is my absolute favorite part…We only do it several times a year in church (though many people prostrate themselves while praying at home):
  • Sunday of the Cross we prostrate ourselves before the cross, the third sunday in Lent
  • Holy Thursday we prostrate before the cross (a big one) with Jesus on it
  • Good Friday + Holy Saturday we prostrate ourselves before the tomb
  • The Elevation of the Cross we prostrate ourselves before the cross (again) Sept 14th (I think, though it’s different in the Russian church)
I also love prostrations. I went to the Greek Orthodox Cathedral for Bridegroom Matins where they sit in pews. I was glad when at the end of Matins where they had a few prostrations a few people moved out into the aisles in order to prostrate (on the lovely thick carpet). I didn’t want to behave oddly as a guest so I was thrilled when I could just join that little group prostrating because I was so uncomfortable in that pew. 🙂

Almost any weekday/week night service could include prostrations, especially those in Great Lent. have many prostrations. The beautiful Great Canon of St. Andrew of Crete is a marathon of prostrations.

Don’t forget Kneeling Prayer after Pentecost Divine Liturgy. During Pascha we are forbidden to kneel so when it ends at Pentecost we definitely make up for that at Kneeling Prayer. 🙂
 
I wish I knew the words to the hymn we all sang when we went outside. Since I would only be able to parrot the English lines, I kept my voice ‘sotto’ during the celebration.
Was it the glorious Christos anesti!? Christos anesti ek nekron,
 thanato thanaton patisas,
 ke tis en tis mnimasin,
 zoin charisamenos!
(Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death and on those in the tombs bestowing life!)

I love all the hymns so much, including Hymn of the Resurrection, and The Angel Cried these are more Russian than Greek I think.
 
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