Seeking advice - Marriage falling apart

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Hi,

I am a long time reader of this site and a first time poster. I’ve never posted anything like this, but I am at the end of my rope and I have read some really good pieces of advice on this site in other threads.

It’s my marriage, it’s ready to fall over a cliff.

To explain you all need some back story. I am the wife and mother here, married almost 7 years now. I met my husband when I was 19 and he was wonderful. He came from a broken family with a multitude of VERY serious issues that I cannot even begin to explain and had a horrible childhood. When I got to know him all I could think was wow his family has been so terrible, yet he turned away from it all, strived to do the right thing and became a devout Catholic all on his own accord. Our engagement and wedding was pure bliss.

Then literally the honeymoon ended and things went sour. His business failed and money was nonexistent and I was pregnant (as we planned and always wanted a big family). However, without a reliable income he went crazy for lack of a better word. Yelling, cursing, throwing things, punching walls, blaming me and calling me names all while I cowered and cried over a little baby - it was a nightmare. I came so close to leaving, it was only because I was pregnant again that I stayed those first two years of marriage. I began to really wonder if he was mentally stable, as when I was in labor with our 2nd child and he was driving me to the birth center, he wanted ME the laboring woman (and I was like 8cm in the car, feeling the urge to push) to call his parents to let them know I was in labor. When I refused he threatened to throw his cell phone out the window and actually rolled down the window and stuck out his phone. I was so confused and sad, I did not know who in their right mind would do that. That incident is one (of many many more) that really sticks out in my mind.

But things got better. He got a job and was somewhat stable again. We were able to buy a house and start getting ahead financially. We had 2 more kids as well and I thought things were good. However, money was still a HUGE topic of disagreement. He keeps excruciatingly close track of all credit card and debit transactions and each night goes over them meticulously. He would regularly berate me for spending too much money on groceries and threaten to take away all his credit cards from my disposal (which would leave me with nothing as I am a stay at home mom). However, I thought to myself he’s really careful with money because of all the financial struggle we’d been through, but I was also at a loss because I am very frugal too (always buy second hand clothes/shoes and I have to buy food!). But I dealt with this pretty well considering

Then he got a new boss who was not kind at work and things got really bad again. Yelling, screaming, threats you name it. We painted our son’s room one Spring and I did not do the greatest job painting the ceiling getting a few marks of paint on the edges and he literally lost it on me again. Yelling and cursing me and slamming a curtain rod down right next to me. Again that day I almost left. He said sorry and I came back – also because I really had no where to go. Shortly after that I confronted him about something I had suspected over the past few months - porn. He looked me in the eye and denied it. A couple weeks later I guess his guilty conscious got the best of him and he said he was looking at porn. What shocked me was that he’d been looking at porn since our first year of marriage! I had no idea in the early years and was devastated by this because early on in our marriage I tried so hard to please him and be the best wife and mom I could be. It felt like I was always reaching out to him and he just was not there…now after all these years I knew why and it hurt.

I come from a broken home too and really have nowhere to turn which is a whole other story. His mother is also constantly saying bad things about me to him (my housework isn’t up to par etc) and it’s a big dividing issue. So I decided that I needed to get a skill in order to support us since this marriage probably was not going to work out and I had 4 kids. I know if I leave he will quit his job and maybe even kill himself (he’s threatened that multiple times when I have talked about how bad things are - something else that made me question his mental stability and frightens me!). So I am half way through nursing school (I go part time in the evenings after he gets home from work). He is a big supporter of me going, because in his mind it means more $ if I work part time when I graduate.

He does not know that I went to nursing school in the first place partly as a way to be financially independent from him so I can leave if need be. I reasoned to myself that I will see how things go while through school and I hope and pray it turns around. Just so everyone knows … I’ve talked to him EXTENSIVELY about how I feel and all of the above, I don’t hold things inside and that’s the only reason we’ve lasted this long. The problem is he does not see porn as a big deal and he expects us to live off rice and beans (even though he makes over 100K a year, he is obsessed with saving money)…and his anger/temper over the smallest of things is out of control.

I love him but I don’t think I can stand it. Last week he was shouting and cursing over me about the $200 I spent on groceries while our 6 year old daughter cried and covered her ears in the corner. I asked him to stop and he refused. Often when he comes home from work he is extremely angry about something small and I have anxiety when I hear him coming in. Tonight I am terrified he’s going to check our transactions online and flip out that I had to buy groceries twice this week. … I don’t want to be alone, but I know I can’t raise my children in this environment.
 
I’m so sorry for your situation…have you tried marriage conseling? It seems he also needs urgent psychiatric assistance. I don’t know wether if you’ve tried talking to him about your feelings but I think you should, and if you can’t because you’re affraid he’ll react violently, I think it would be wise to move with other family members while you solve this…you and your children shouldn’t have to stay in a violent environment, and just because the violence is still psychological only, doesn’t mean it’s any less damaging.

I will keep you in my prayers. Try to talk to a priest at your local parrish and start developing an intervention plan. I think your husband needs a serious wake up call and you definetely can and shouldn’t feel guilty about removing your self and your children from such a horrible environmet for a while. That’s my humble opinion. Keep praying for guidance and I’m sure a lot of people here can offer you a lot of valuable support.

Blessings.
 
Dear bell1011,

It’s very sad to hear your story and I’ll offer your my prayers.

I think you really need professional help at this point. In the form of marriage counselling and perhaps financial counselling, so that the family budget does not tear the family apart. At the very least you should contact a trusted priest who can advise you and perhaps steer you in the right direction for further help. If you husband remains a faithful Catholic, he will hopefully be amenable to this.

God bless.
 
It sounds as if he’s treading a very, very fine line between normal marital issues and abuse. His outburst after you didn’t paint the room exactly properly WAS emotional abuse. He took out his anger on a piece of furniture - how long before YOU become the piece of furniture? Frankly, based on what you’ve described I’m concerned for your safety and that of your children. This man seems to have more concern about how much money you’re spending than seeing that you actually have what you need to survive. Threatening to take away your credit cards and controlling your spending is control - NOT love.

I strongly, strongly urge you to seek counselling ASAP and ask him to go as well. If finances are an issue I recommend you see if you can find some cheap or free counselling available through your community. If not, I suggest you try calling a hot line for abused women.

If he threatens suicide if you try to leave, realistically, that’s just another means to control you. YOU are not responsible for his mental health. If you feel he’s that unstable, you need to call 911 and ask them to do a welfare check as he’s threatened suicide. This is manipulation. It is NOT love.
 
Oh my God, I’m so sorry, for some reason I couldn’t read your entire post…your husband needs urgent psychiatric assistance and he needs to overcome his porn addiction…funny I come across this thread since I’m dealing with something similar. Here’s a link to a great catholic site with a structured program for porn addicts:

candeobehaviorchange.com/healthy-sexuality/

There’s a support module for wives too, you can look into that. I think his porn addiction could be one of the main reasons he’s so violent towards you.

My humble opinion is that you set the cards on the table and tell him exactly how you feel and what you need for him to change. If he doesn’t solve his anger and porn addiction, you can’t be with him, for your sake and your children’s.

Go to adoration, pray a lot for guidance. I will be praying for you too. Please do try to protect your self as much as you can, and your kids too. It seems to me he could explode some day and start physical violence.
 
There are a lot of issues. Had you tried marriage counseling? If he won’t go, can you go to individual counseling?

Is there a domestic violence hotline in your area/shelter?

There’s a checklist they recommend to have ready in case someone needs to leave, suddenly.
 
Do you have a battered women’s center nearby? If he had actually hit you maybe you would more clearly see how dangerous this situation appears from how you describe it. He sounds like someone mentally unhinged with violent tendencies. I don’t usually react this strongly but this story sounds like the story of Joshua and Susan Powell - that guy whose wife disappeared and then he suddenly killed himself and their children.

You can go talk to someone at the women’s center without actually acting on it. Just go make the connection now. It is especially important since it doesn’t sound like you have family to turn to.

As much as you can start setting money aside so if you have to leave you will have resources.

I am a nurse and it’s an ideal job for a woman to support a family if it gets to that point for you.

I am so sorry you are going through this and you are in my prayers.
 
I am so sorry. Your post is terrifying to read.

What you are describing is physical and psychological abuse. For your own sake and for your children (who should not be seeing this, as they will likely grow up thinking it is ok and normal) you need to get away ASAP. Others have suggested contacting a domestic violence hotline or womens’ shelter for help. This is a good idea. Do that ASAP. You should also consult with a good family attorney, ideally one who respects your faith. Hotlines and shelters are sometimes able to help you find resources of this kind.

If you go back to him (big IF) do not return to him until he has (a) gotten counseling and (b) demonstrated for at least two years in a row, if not longer, that he has his anger issues under control. Be absolutely sure about this. I seriously doubt he “went crazy” as soon as he experienced job stress and then suddenly turned into who he is now. It seems likely that, in classic abuser fashion, he was able to pretend to be a great guy well enough and long enough to fool you while you were dating, and then his true colors came out after the honeymoon was over.

You do not deserve to be treated this way, no matter what he or his mother say about you, and your marriage vows do not obligate you to take abuse. You have the right to protect yourself and to protect your children from witnessing this kind of behavior in their father.

I will pray for you.
 
I’m concerned for your safety and your kids too. We have all heard of these situations going horribly wrong. I agree with the last poster - battered womens shelter or something like it and tell them your story. I’m sure they can help you prepare for the worst. Certainly seek help from your priest and if your husband will participate then great. Praying for you and family.
 
You have alot going on. I would call the nearest abuse center to get help and possibly get out. It looks like he put on the charm for you when you married him and then his true colors came out afterwards. I am sorry but when you thought he was ok even coming from a terrible background, there must have been some warning signs there. Since he hide himself from you dating, that could be grounds for an annulment.You deserve better than what he is giving you. I would seek out a shelter ASAP.
 
bell, you cannot tolerate verbal abuse and you cannot tolerate the infidelity of porn. I seriously encourage you to find professional support to move you through this for the sake of yourself and your kids.

The male marriage counsellor that I went to for my marriage problems told me that I have to be ‘smart’. Men often feel a power in dominating and women will often feel that appeasing will make an impact on that. It never will.

Your children have to know what is proper behaviour in relationships. Don’t think that appeasing him is ever a good thing.

God bless.
 
Your post brings back Some bad memories. I’m praying for you and your children to be out of that situation.youv been given lots if good advice from previous posters, please don’t wait for things to go from bad to worse, I know that the thought of being alone is daunting now but be strong for yourself and for your children, motherhood is easier with out constant fear,stress and worry about how your husband is going to react. I’m sure there is much happiness in your future please know I’m praying for you and your children.
 
You seem to be in a dangerous situation. Please seek counseling and contact a women’s abuse center. Regardless of if you want to be alone, it sounds like you need to do exactly that for your own safety and that of your children. The real danger in a situation with serious verbal abuse is that at some point it can easily escalate to physical abuse.
 
Please, please please find a way to get a psych assessment…he does not sound stable to me.

I lived a very similar situation volatility, irrational behaviour, disconnectedness and extremely high sexual drive (porn addiction fits right in here)…My husband was just diagnosed with bipolar with other stuff.

My world came crumbling down too. It is better now.

Safety for you and the children is #1. Please find a priest that you trust for guidance.

Keep us posted. keep praying . I will pray for you.
 
Hello,
My husband of 20 years has allowed his porn addiction to overtake our family. Porn is the devil. I gave him an ultimatum, either we work it out with counseling or I am filing for divorce. Well,he choose the later because he doesn’t want to deal with his problems. I am DONE!!! I have been a wonderful mother and devoted wife, plus I work outside the home. Basically I have been a single parent to the kids all these years. He made it very clear to me that he doesn’t love me anymore. Anyway…my advice is: he isn’t going to change unless he wants to. If he wants to try and work things out then, it is worth saving your marriage and family. However, if he doesn’t there is nothing you can do. I cried for months begging and pleading to get help and he absolutely refused, even for the kids. Not only is porn his problem but so is money. He has over 500,000 in assets and has only two pairs of cheap pants, a few shirts and 2 pairs of old shoes. I could go on…We are still working out the divorce decree. He has defaulted and didn’t show up for our court date, but I am determined to be divorced from him and be on my own. I am in the process of buying a home, as well. I feel sorry for him and I pray for him everyday. I have to go on with my life for my kids and for my well being. You have to take care of YOU!!! I was so scared, but my faith in God has made me stronger. Get help for yourself, as well. Your kids need you and you have to be their rock. So, you have to take care of YOU, especially, since he isn’t being a nice husband. That is just the way I feel because I figure, if something happens to me they will basically be on their own with no love and support from their father. He is very disconnected which is one of the factors of porn. Good luck and you are in my prayers. God bless you!
 
Psych issues of some kind, but that doesn’t excuse abuse. You can’t let your children grow up thinking this is normal.

Porn is an addiction having nothing to do with you, but again, you mustn’t let your husband think this will be allowed to continue…it IS adultery, and you don’t deserve it.

Whatever you do, please speak to your priest, and to a domestic violence counselor from Catholic Social Services or the Salvation Army Domestic Violence Program (google your local numbers). You MUST,MUST have a safety plan in place for yourself and the children before you act.

Also–can you start to reach out to family quietly for help, or get a bit of cash at a time (even $2 for a “water”) and hide it in your tampon box to build a 911 fund starter in case you have to leave unexpectedly–you also need copies of everything: marriage license, bank statement, birth certificates for kids, any police reports, pictures of injuries. Start keeping a journal if you can do it safely (in the box with the hair cutting clippers, or your pads).

Praying for your intentions.
 
I am really sorry to our your family’s troubles.

This sounds like a serious situation, even if there has not been violence or if there is never violence. Beyond the nearly universal advice that you seek help, this is not the place to get advice or make important decisions, we do not have the information or training. I recommend you start with a meeting with your priest, he may be able to help directly as well as recommend good counselors or refer you to other services that might be appropriate.

I will pray for your family.
 
I agree, that the original poster has very serious problems in her marriage. She is probably beyond this point, but there was a book that I read that helped me (and my marriage) a lot. “Divorcebusting”.
In the book, the author talks about how leaving a marriage often does not solve the problems, but people exchange for a different set of problems. For instance, what about when the husband has weekends with the kids, etc. What if she divorces him, then he gets a new girlfriend, and they are not good to the kids (but not bad enough to change custody order).
If her husband is very irrational, I don’t know that he is going to agree to marriage counseling. I wish her luck, I feel like I have been there also, but not in such an extreme way.
“Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer”. In this case, is her husband her enemy?
 
Definitely reach out to a women’s shelter. If you have any feeling that he may be checking your phone (and that does sound in character), borrow a phone to make those calls. Reestablish connections with relatives and old friends. If you are in school, there may be some campus office that could help you confidentially.

I agree with the advice to lay up an emergency fund of some kind. Even $20 could get you and the kids to safety–if you had it.

I would not leave your husband alone with the children for any length of time until his issues with anger are resolved.

As you realize, $200 worth of groceries is not unreasonable on a $100k salary. What is unreasonable is expecting a family with a $100k a year income (and a fairly good expectation of higher income later) to eat rice and beans all the time. That’s an emergency short-term diet–it’s not a long term plan for people who have better options.

I hesitate to mention this because your husband sounds so unreasonable/borderline nuts, but do you do a monthly budget? If you look at a personal finance book together, they will have estimates for amounts of money to spend in each spending category. Some of that advice can be pretty hard to live with at lower income levels (15% savings!!!), but in your particular case, following that advice could be very good news for you. For instance, if you chose to do Dave Ramsey’s plan, you would only (only!!!) be saving 15% of income a month. (Assuming you are already debt-free but a mortgage and have an emergency fund of 3-6 months.) If you were doing Elizabeth Warren’s plan (from “All Your Worth”), you’d be spending 50% on fixed costs (mortgage, car payments, basic groceries, etc.), 30% on wants and 20% on savings (which includes extra debt repayment, I believe–so if you were spending on paying your house of early, that would count). I’m not sure what Suze Orman would advise, but it would surprise me very much if she suggested more than 20% savings.

So, I would suggest (as long as your husband is behaving rationally, otherwise LEAVE safely), asking him to choose a mainstream personal finance guru to follow (not some nut with a Kindle published book, obviously). Then do a monthly budget with him, using past months as your baseline for stuff like utilities. I suggest that once you’ve taken care of fixed expenses and given both of you at least some blow money (fun money for each spouse) and blocked out a savings goal for the month (with perhaps some small savings funds for specific household projects), you ask for carte blanche for the rest of the budget. (Easier said than done, I understand.) In my family, we have a very similar household income to your family and that’s how we do it–there’s a certain amount of money available for groceries and clothes and such, and it’s all up to me how I spend it. My husband isn’t fretting over individual grocery receipts or clothing store receipts because he knows that it’s all in the budget. When I get to the end of the money, I stop spending. (Unless it’s something of dire necessity, like diapers.) At your income level, $200 a week for groceries is entirely reasonable.

You might also talk about doing an envelope system where you’d get $200 a week in cash for groceries or an agreed-upon amount for clothes purchases.

You might helpfully volunteer to go discuss his diet ideas with his doctor or a nutritionist his doctor recommends. “Sure, honey, I’d love to follow your $50 a week eating plan for a family of 6, but I’d really like to run it by an expert. I’ll make an appointment to go talk to the nutritionist at your doctor’s office and get some sample menus and grocery lists.”

But, as I said, I hesitate to encourage you to discuss finances or nutrition with him, because it doesn’t sound like he’s functioning well enough to have a rational discussion. That said, his anger issues aside, there is a whole category of stingy guys who feel personally injured by the fact that food, water, electricity, housing, and transportation cost money that they would otherwise be stashing in gold coins in a jar in the yard. And yes, I realize there’s also a whole category of women (but men, too) who believe that as long as they have a credit card, they still have money, but I have to say that extreme stinginess is more normal among men than among women.

Use your judgment, reach out for support, and make sure that you are prepared to leave at any time. Your husband has to know that if you divorced him, you would get very substantial child support, so if/when you leave, there is a much higher risk of harm to you and/or the children at that point.
 
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