Seeking advice on how to help my father

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I have to begin by saying that my father is a great man; he is a good person in the true sense of the word, has raised me to imitate him, and if it weren’t for the example set by him I don’t know where I’d be today. He works hard, he loves his family, and he loves his fellow man. I have the utmost respect for him in every way.

However, he has stopped being a Catholic (several years ago, in fact), despite being raised in a very devout family. I understand that it is my duty to, first of all, obey, respect, honor, and love him (so long as he doesn’t command me to sin); and, secondly, to try to help him back to the faith (which proceeds necessarily from the first obligation).

Our post-modernist, relativistic world has led him to believe that all religions are a path to God. He prefers Buddhism. He’s not some asinine, self-righteous new-ager or anything, but this is his religion at this time. When I try to discuss Catholicism with him, he points out the many similarities between Catholicism and other religions.

The catechism itself answers this objection:
28 In many ways, throughout history down to the present day, men have given expression to their quest for God in their religious beliefs and behavior: in their prayers, sacrifices, rituals, meditations, and so forth.

He still maintains, though, that there’s no real proof that the Roman Catholic faith is the only true and perfect way to reach God. I’ve told him that the Catholic religion was the faith held by all his ancestors for over a thousand years, but this is hardly a good argument, especially considering how little tradition is respected these days.

Therefore, I ask you to give me some advice as to how to deal with this particular manifestation of apostasy. I am nowhere near knowledgeable enough to handle it.

I think the other two major things that caused him to leave the faith were the prohibition against contraception, and the fact that being a Catholic means accepting the views of other, more pious and learned men (the hierarchy of the Church), in lieu of your own thoughts, on religious matters at least. I’m not really comfortable bringing up the issue of contraception . . . at all. I know he had a vasectomy, and I suppose I should tell him about the Church’s current teachings on Natural Family Planning; I guess that’s just what I’ll have to do, even if it’s more than a little embarrassing.

As for his issue with hierarchy and “organized religion”, that’s a bit harder to deal with. He is humble, and believes humility to be a virtue - indeed, his Catholic ethos has been quite well preserved in general - but he doesn’t accept that other men can tell him what to believe. The only answer to this objection I can think of at this time is that a big way of expressing humility is submitting to the will of others; any other answers that I can think of rely on being a Christian in the first place.

Luckily, I think he is slowly beginning to turn around. He goes to mass with me every Sunday that he doesn’t have work. He even believes in transubstantiation. Even here, though, I have a problem. I told him that he shouldn’t take communion since he is apostate (trying my best not to be judgmental, but focusing on his salvation); he won’t accept this. He says “Christ hung out with prostitutes and money-lenders and all sorts of horrible sinners; he died for all of us, not just Catholics.”

I answered that of course he is right; any sinners have the chance to be reconciled with God and forgiven by him. But it would be profaning the Body and Blood of our Lord to partake of this Sacred Mystery while in a state of grave sin. He responds that “it’s not up to the Church to decide who can and cannot receive the eucharist” - despite the fact that it is through the Church that transubstantiation happens in the first place! So I need help here also.

Thank you all so much; I’ve been praying for him (and the rest of my family: we were all Catholic at one time but all fell eventually), and it seems like God is already answering my prayers bit by bit. Hopefully you all can help my father in this process as well.

God bless!
 
I’d say pray and fast for your father, God will show you the way.

Of course you can discuss issues with him, but above all be a good witness to Christ yourself and live your faith.
 
I’d say pray and fast for your father, God will show you the way.

Of course you can discuss issues with him, but above all be a good witness to Christ yourself and live your faith.
Good advice to the both o’ yas 🙂

I was already planning to do a good ol’-fashioned fast on Friday of this week. I need to humble myself, and I think a fast will do the job well.

I still need some responses to his objections though. Understand that we’re not arguing whatsoever - he enjoys discussing this stuff. I always just change the subject if he says something that really bothers me and I feel like I’m going to get heated - besides, that’s usually a sign that I don’t have a good answer 😃
 
So he is the one who usually initiates discussions? Then I think the job is even harder, when you have the conviction at your heart, you might be sometimes pretty deaf to logical arguments, even if you present them well. Or maybe he is looking for such arguments? Somehow it seems that in most cases it would be the other way round, a son looking for answers and experimenting and the father guarding the orthodoxy…
your father is humble but there is pride in him (oh well, it’s everyone’s problem, mine too).
How about if you give him some books to read? Maybe they would open up his mind? I am not sure if those books are available in English, but I would recommend something by Fr Joseph Marie Verlinde - I have justdone the search on the interent, I am afraid his books are not available in English 😦 He is an expert on Eastern Religions and New Age.

Try to get him to read the mystics, maybe St Faustina’s Diary, works of John of Cross, or maybe Seven Storeys Mountain by Thomas Merton, or the book I loved and it is such a fast reading - Father Emilano Tardiffs’ Jesus lives! (I might have got the title wrong but if you do the search you can find it somewhere) just to get him thinking - read them first so that you will have a common ground.

But anyway, you are fighting with the powers of darkness, so pray and fast and leave it to God to find a way to your father’s heart.
 
Just remember that Jesus knew his Scriptures, but also was not a guy walking around with a book in his hand. His sayings are plain and simple, and he converted by doing.

Consider this: maybe your father’s engagement with Buddhism is a challenge to your faith and thinking about spirituality.
 
So he is the one who usually initiates discussions? Then I think the job is even harder, when you have the conviction at your heart, you might be sometimes pretty deaf to logical arguments, even if you present them well. Or maybe he is looking for such arguments? Somehow it seems that in most cases it would be the other way round, a son looking for answers and experimenting and the father guarding the orthodoxy…
your father is humble but there is pride in him (oh well, it’s everyone’s problem, mine too).
How about if you give him some books to read? Maybe they would open up his mind? I am not sure if those books are available in English, but I would recommend something by Fr Joseph Marie Verlinde - I have justdone the search on the interent, I am afraid his books are not available in English 😦 He is an expert on Eastern Religions and New Age.

Try to get him to read the mystics, maybe St Faustina’s Diary, works of John of Cross, or maybe Seven Storeys Mountain by Thomas Merton, or the book I loved and it is such a fast reading - Father Emilano Tardiffs’ Jesus lives! (I might have got the title wrong but if you do the search you can find it somewhere) just to get him thinking - read them first so that you will have a common ground.

But anyway, you are fighting with the powers of darkness, so pray and fast and leave it to God to find a way to your father’s heart.
Well sometimes he initiates discussion on it sometimes I do; we both love debating 😃

Those books sound great. He studied Comparative Religion in College and I know he’s read a few Christian Mystics, but I’ll see if I can get a hold of some of those books you recommend.

Right now I’m basically saying that you can’t really figure out which religion is “true”, at least not without a time machine. You have to judge the tree by its fruit. Buddhists believe in Karma - that morality is built into the structure of the universe. The implications of this have caused horrible atrocities to be committed by monks in Tibet with total justification from the faith: “you’re poor because you were evil in your past life! Oh you can’t afford to pay our taxes? Okay borrow from us with 20% interest. Can’t make up your debt? We’ll just chop off your nose.”

^ Things like that were extremely common until fairly recently, when the current Dalai Lama and Hollywood conspired to give Buddhism a new face. My dad holds that this isn’t “true to Buddhism”, but I think a belief in karma makes reasoning like that fairly sound - even if it rightly disgusts him. There was lots of corruption in the Catholic Church as well at one time, of course - maybe not as much as we’re taught in the public schools but you can’t deny that it happened. Still, this corruption was not built into the fabric of the religion itself - it happened in spite of Catholicism, not because of it. I can’t say the same of the brutal system of old Tibet. A belief in karma necessarily causes you to believe that anything bad that happens is because of something you’ve done in a past life: it denies free will and basic common sense, even if it won’t admit to it.

I also might explain to him how you can’t just take bits and pieces of Christianity as it suits you. I might hold off on that though: if he realizes the profound incompatability of Buddhism and Christianity he might just totally leave the latter.

Good works are the best way though . . . y’all are right.
 
I think he’s blessed to have a son like you…

I understand the appeal of the Buddhism-- the emphasis on gentleness, a morality that centers around not doing harm to others-- there really is a lot to like.

As I see it, though, there are some nasty worms in that apple. First, nirvanna isn’t heaven, it’s oblivion. No reunion with those we’ve loved or lost, no personality at all, we’re all just rolled back into the mind of god.

In fact, I recently came accross the concept that Buddhism isn’t a religion so much as a form of organized atheism: there is no god as such to pray to, no afterlife, and the end result-- nothingness-- is pretty much the same.

Second, the poor of this world are just getting what they have coming. No need to pick the leper out of the gutter, he’s just paying off the karmic debt he acquired last time around. If we judge a society by how it treats it’s weakest members, Buddhist societies aren’t very inspiring.

And that relates back to the gentleness I mentioned in the beginning: it’s a passive sort of thing. While one isn’t supposed to cause suffering, one isn’t obligated to alliviate it, either: In fact, that sort of thing shows a lack of the detachment the Buddhist is supposed to aspire to.

I suppose if I were trying to approach someone about their Buddhist faith, I’d tell them that I hoped they were wrong: that I want to know them forever, not just crossing paths a few times down the millenia like ships in the night. That I would never want to be detached from them, or want their personality to be absorbed by some universal entity.
 
I think he’s blessed to have a son like you…

I understand the appeal of the Buddhism-- the emphasis on gentleness, a morality that centers around not doing harm to others-- there really is a lot to like.

As I see it, though, there are some nasty worms in that apple. First, nirvanna isn’t heaven, it’s oblivion. No reunion with those we’ve loved or lost, no personality at all, we’re all just rolled back into the mind of god.

In fact, I recently came accross the concept that Buddhism isn’t a religion so much as a form of organized atheism: there is no god as such to pray to, no afterlife, and the end result-- nothingness-- is pretty much the same.

Second, the poor of this world are just getting what they have coming. No need to pick the leper out of the gutter, he’s just paying off the karmic debt he acquired last time around. If we judge a society by how it treats it’s weakest members, Buddhist societies aren’t very inspiring.

And that relates back to the gentleness I mentioned in the beginning: it’s a passive sort of thing. While one isn’t supposed to cause suffering, one isn’t obligated to alliviate it, either: In fact, that sort of thing shows a lack of the detachment the Buddhist is supposed to aspire to.

I suppose if I were trying to approach someone about their Buddhist faith, I’d tell them that I hoped they were wrong: that I want to know them forever, not just crossing paths a few times down the millenia like ships in the night. That I would never want to be detached from them, or want their personality to be absorbed by some universal entity.
Thank you so much! That’s an excellent way to put it; sounds way less harsh than what I was saying.

I should also clarify that we don’t just “pick a religion based on its fruit” like we’re picking and choosing whichever one fits our personality the best. I think other religions strive for God, but only the Catholics have really found most of the answers (or all of them even; I’m not sure, don’t know enough whether the church says it has all of the answers or not) - or rather, we were given them by Christ.

It’s an excellent religion, with beautiful, ancient ceremonies, 2,000 years of experience on its side to guide it in guarding the faith, and most importantly I think it really does cause you to strive to be the best person you can be. Not in the sense of the vain, “self-esteem”, “do your personal best” crud that gets forced down our throats: but in the sense of loving and being charitable, being humble and temperate, and all the other great virtues we try to live by.

G.K. Chesterton said it best:
“The difficulty of explaining “why I am a Catholic” is that there are ten thousand reasons all amounting to one reason: that Catholicism is true.”
 
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