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My husband and I were previously married and now have been married in the Catholic church. His mother and his ex mother in law are best friends. He sees his ex mother in law as a mom and calls her mom. Even though my husband and his ex mother in law do not speak on a regular basis, there is still a bond which makes me feel a bit uncomfortable. I’m also beginning to have mix feelings about my mother in law. Even though she has expressed she loves me and is happy her dream finally came true (for her son to get married in the Catholic church) I believe she still holds a small piece in her heart for her ex daughter in law.
 
How long was your husband married to his ex for? If it was for a long time, it isn’t unreasonable for your MIL to still like her.

Have you spoken to your husband about the way you feel?

Lou
 
… Even though she has expressed she loves me and is happy her dream finally came true (for her son to get married in the Catholic church) I believe she still holds a small piece in her heart for her ex daughter in law.
There may be room in her heart for **both **you and her close friend’s daughter, who is your husband’s ex-wife.

Your MIL’s relationship with that other woman wasn’t a spousal relationship–it was more of a parenting/friendship relationship. It’s possible to have more than one friend, and parents can love more than one child.
You are not in competition with that other woman for your MIL’s affection. If she has more than one son, she may have other daughter-in-laws beyond this other woman. It is right and proper for a MIL to love her DIL. She expresses that she loves you. Accept her love–and love her all the more because you now know that when she loves a DIL, her love isn’t just contingent on her son’s loving you and being married to you. ❤️
 
How long was your husband married to his ex for? If it was for a long time, it isn’t unreasonable for your MIL to still like her.

Have you spoken to your husband about the way you feel?

Lou
My husband was married to his ex wife for only two years however his mother and her mother are best friends.
 
How long was your husband married to his ex-wife? Do they have children together? Are the families involved in each others lives? Is the relationship one that has quite a history?

With your husband calling her “mom” sometimes that can also be a habit. I know that I had and still have, a very challenging time when my girlfriends get married calling them by their new married last names because I had called them for years by their old last name.

How did their marriage end? That can make a difference too, to family members. For example, if your current husband had an affair at the time then his former wife may have been on the receiving end of much love and sympathy. Conversely, if the relationship ended mutually and they just grew apart maybe the family wasn’t involved much.

It is good for you to take time to prayer and look deep. Decide exactly what your expectations are, what is fair and don’t be vague. What can you honestly live with. Can you accept your husband calling her “mom” sometimes? When you say that your mother in law holds a small piece in her heart for her former daughter in law what does that mean exactly and what can she or you do about it and how can you live with these feelings peacefully? These are good questions for you to take to Jesus Christ. Sometimes we have feelings that are unsettling but there really isn’t anything that other people can do about them, our answer lies in Jesus Christ. What I mean by that is how could you p(name removed by moderator)oint how your mother in law feels? Even if you could, what could she do to make you feel better? These things are things of the heart, not really things you could write down on a list and ask someone to do for you. Can you ask your mother in law not to feel that way? That is why you may need to take them to Christ to help you sort through them.
My husband was married to his ex wife for only two years. They do not have children together however his mother and her mother are best friends and typically spend a lot of time together. The marriage ended bad. She treated my husband very badly and poorly. She wanted the divorce and served him with papers. Thank you for your feedback.
 
My husband was married to his ex wife for only two years however his mother and her mother are best friends.
So although they were not married for long, it does make sense that your MIL is still interested in your husband’s ex if she is friends with her mother. Even though their marriage was not a good one, it sounds as though your MIL has known her for a long time, and does still care for her.

What kind of feedback are you looking for?

Lou
 
My husband was married to his ex wife for only two years. They do not have children together however his mother and her mother are best friends and typically spend a lot of time together. The marriage ended bad. She treated my husband very badly and poorly. She wanted the divorce and served him with papers. Thank you for your feedback.
Sounds like your mother-in-law is stuck between a rock and a hard place. It would be very hard to maintain a relationship with her best friend while shunning the daughter. If she saw your husband’s ex grow up, then she sees her in a larger context then just her son’s ex. Again, however the ex acted, it will be hard for your mother-in-law to continue a relationship with her best friend while being dismissive of the daughter. As someone else said this isn’t about a relationship with her son’s ex, its about a relationship with her best friend- who has a daughter she’s got to deal with. Awkward I’m sure.
 
These kind of relationships don’t necessarily end just because two people have split up. I am friends with my ex mother-in-law. She is a good person and I like her company. So just because your mother-in-law may still like her ex daughter-in-law doesn’t mean she doesn’t care for you. It doesn’t have to be an either-or situation. She shouldn’t have to choose between you.
 
One thing for sure is that there will always be an ex-wife. The ex-wife’s mother and your mother-in-law were friends long before you married your husband. They will most likely always be friends. We all have a right to be friends with whomever we wish. Be happy for them. The ex-wife is no longer an issue. He is married to you. Make this marriage about you and your husband. Build your life together with him. Your happiness depends on that and not on the feelings of your mother-in-law. Your priority is being a good wife. Then all else will fall into place. Do not feel less of a person. You are worth being respected. Work on you, on your self-confidence. And if you want to get to know your mother-in-law better, invite her over for coffee or dinner, or go out to eat. Call her sometimes. You don’t have to compete for her affection. Pray for her. It will get better. God bless you.
 
ymartinez,

Your mother-in-law’s being “great friends!” with the ex’s mother is strange indeed! How awkward.:confused: I would think the ex-'s mother would now be busy with friendships connected to her daughter’s new life, not her old one.:rolleyes:

I can certainly see how this is very awkward for you. Yes, making overtures of friendliness with your new mother-in-law is right. See how she returns these (its a give-and-take relationship!). But trust is earned. She has a strong loyalty to the mother of your husband’s ex, so its reasonable to be wary.

You don’t need to be her best friend, or even be a friend at all. Friendship, when possible, takes time to grow. And it takes two! You owe her polite respect*; she is an important person to your husband. Closeness is earned, though.

*[Polite respect: like you would be professionally, to people at work. Polite inquiries about her health or hobbies, or the recent weather or her garden’s progress. Even polite respectful benign inquiries about the health of her great friend! (acknowledging thereby that you see where her loyalties lie).]

If your husband’s relationship with this woman makes you uncomfortable, he should know that. You can make it clear, brief, and non-emotional when you say so, and only repeat it if necessary (like, if after time, you do not see evidence he is taking that concern seriously). Give him time to do what may be hard for him, and if he does not respond right away (perhaps because he is hoping it really doesn’t matter too much to you, so he doesn’t have to make any uncomfortable changes), you can politely say so again, calmly, clearly - as if you had not mentioned it already before! Again give him time to respond. (This is a teaching technique called “the broken record”. There is no emotional: “Why didn’t you do it when I asked before!”, but just a calm repeat of the original request).

Everyone’s allegiance should be to you two. Hanging on to the remnants of the couple-that-was has a certain disloyalty to it. And your sensitivities should be considered. If they are not, well, then you have no need to be any friendlier than you feel like. I say you can be cool and polite until you feel safe to be more.

In my previous marraige my ex’s family was dysfunctional in various ways, due, for one, to the parents of this large family who had some substance abuse issues, so all the kids grew up with various issues.😦 There was good in the family, but plenty of dysfunction, too. Anyway, I was always making an effort to be friends/friendly with this family** - I truly gave all, and overlooked all slights, but friendly overtures were never returned. I just wasn’t important; I just didn’t matter, because* I did not grow up with them* (so I was not a real family member. Even though I took their name, I was not one of the amazing Smiths!) I got only more disrespect for my effort.

A brother-in-law’s wife took a different approach, influenced by how she saw me act and how they treated me. She was cool, polite, and ANY disrespect shown her by them got addressed IMMEDIATELY, and STRONGLY. No one had any doubt she was offended, and why! She did not care one whit that it might seem petty to anyone or everyone - to her it was not! And truly they needed this, because all the sibs affirmed each other that they could all do no wrong.

So she earned a certain respect. That I never got. She never was their doormat. Like I was. On top of that, this was truly better for her kids.

Well, everyone is different and this was not me. But clearly I could see, in retrospect, that her way worked better than mine. I should also explain that her husband was oblivious to the disrespect turned on her. But she did not dwell on his failing in this area, but just accepted this reality. Since his support was not there for her, she was assertive about expecting people to respect her ON HER OWN. For example, if an in-law was rude to her when she and her children were visiting them in their home, then she (and her children) did NOT turn up at the next family function, *or *the next - for some time, if at all. She would wait for the apology, which this family was scant of. Her husband did not like his wife’s boundaries with his family, because, like my ex, because of the family dysfunction, they had extreme loyalty to their family of origin and could not admit any one of their sibs had made any errors. (Truly they married and did not cleave to their wives but to their sibs!).

I have to say, all the other brothers in this family did not keep their wives and families. Only this one. I think being the wise one who stuck up for her own and her children’s boundaries is a big part of this.

Well, hopefully you won’t run into any of these problems, but just remember, sometimes you cannot depend on others to defend your boundaries for you. Its nice if your husband does, but not every man is able to do that. Its hard to go against the set-in ways of family-of-origins. So some communication may be in order, and you can be clear and calm when explaining yourself. But if in the end you do not have his support, its up to you to make your own boundaries.

** I thought trying to be “family” to my in-laws was best/right. But later I read the advice of Miss Manners on how to behave with in-laws. She said you should play the part of an unobtrusive anthropologist, observing a strange culture!😃 And actually, this would have probably gone over* better *with this family, than trying to be one of them. Because they didn’t want anyone else to be one of them.🤷 Anyway, Miss Manner’s advice is very wise. You have to accept what you have, and work with it. (And we are all dysfunctional in some way or another!:D)

 
It is insensitive of your mother-in-law not to be aware that as the second wife you may not wish to have exes paraded obviously before you. Mothers-in-law need to be very careful at any time not to cause daughters-in-law grief or hurt.
Your mother-in-law would kindly and wisely be right to try to build friendships with your parents and family.

I understand your feelings.

It is very difficult for families though when loved family become estranged through divorce misunderstanding or separation. When you love someone you don’t suddenly stop loving them because of divorce. I have two ex-daughters in law with whom we remain friends. We don’t see them often but every now and then catch up. One is mother of our grandson and thus is related by blood through her son.

Sensitivity and discretion is necessary but loving new people doesn’t mean you have to stop loving other people who were very much part of your life, the heart is big enough to fit all, and you love the new person for himself and herself but also because one’s son or daughter loves and has chosen them.

One of my daughters-in-law can’t cope, so we keep the friendship from her, with the other we use some discretion, but the other daughter-in-law likes the ex-wife, and when the cherished dog of my son and daughter-in-law was dying, my new daughter-in–law invited my son’s ex to spend the day, have lunch, to say goodbye to the old dog they all loved, previously also by the ex who has the dog’s sister whom she also brought to say goodbye to the dying dog.

The mother of one of my ex-daughters-in-law *(the daughter-in-law who couldn’t understand why we would suddenly not love love someone we’d loved for 17 years, so we never refer to the ex or the previous marriage, *) and I always contact each other for our birthdays, she lives a long distance away, but we have a shared loved grandson, and we were friends, and have no reason not to be between ourselves!

I love my two second daughters-in-law. I give them all the love and support as persons and as my sons wives.
It takes nothing from them that I have room in my heart for the exes, although one must always be careful and sensitive.

If your mother-in-law knew it is hurting you that she loves both you and the ex daughter-in-law and her mother, then, if you feel unable to say it makes you feel insecure, perhaps you could ask your husband to let her know it’s hurtful to you that your mother-in-law keeps the ex and her mother so obviously in her life. There’s no reason why your mother-in-law should stop loving the others, but perhaps you need her to be more circumspect.

I am always very careful to ensure that my current daughter-in-law know I love and support them. I hope your mother-in-law will do the same, let you know you are cherished
God grant that you begin to feel secure in your mother-in-law’s heart, and that your relationship with her will be deep and happy.
 
Thank you for all the amazing feedback full of wisdom. I honestly wouldn’t know where to start. Every now and then my ex and I talk about his previous marriage and to be honest, it makes me feel uncomfortable. Maybe I’m trying to figure out if he still has feelings for her? I doubt it,my husband have made a commitment to God and to one another. As far as my mother in law, I’m not sure I can express how I feel about her relationship with my husband’s ex wife and his ex mother in law. In some way, I feel like there is some kind of competition. Maybe it’s me and my insecurities.
 
My husband and I were previously married and now have been married in the Catholic church. His mother and his ex mother in law are best friends. **He sees his ex mother in law as a mom and calls her mom. **Even though my husband and his ex mother in law do not speak on a regular basis, there is still a bond which makes me feel a bit uncomfortable. I’m also beginning to have mix feelings about my mother in law. Even though she has expressed she loves me and is happy her dream finally came true (for her son to get married in the Catholic church) I believe she still holds a small piece in her heart for her ex daughter in law.
Out of everything you wrote, the part in bold is what doesn’t sit well with me. She isn’t his mom, and there is no reason for him to continue calling her mom given the circumstances. I would talk to him about that. Since you are now married in the Catholic Church, this lets me know his previous marriage was not valid.
 
Thank you for all the amazing feedback full of wisdom. I honestly wouldn’t know where to start. Every now and then my ex and I talk about his previous marriage and to be honest, it makes me feel uncomfortable. Maybe I’m trying to figure out if he still has feelings for her? I doubt it,my husband have made a commitment to God and to one another. As far as my mother in law, I’m not sure I can express how I feel about her relationship with my husband’s ex wife and his ex mother in law. In some way, I feel like there is some kind of competition. Maybe it’s me and my insecurities.
In what context to you talk about his marriage? Does he initiate the conversation or do you?
Have you tried telling your husband that you feel insecure sometimes?

I think the best way to help you would be for you to stop focusing on the past, and look forward with your husband. She is his ex for a reason. You are his wife.

Lou
 
Out of everything you wrote, the part in bold is what doesn’t sit well with me. She isn’t his mom, and there is no reason for him to continue calling her mom given the circumstances. I would talk to him about that. Since you are now married in the Catholic Church, this lets me know his previous marriage was not valid.
How do I approach him about this? I’m a bit hesitant and scared. Yes, his previous marriage was never valid.
 
Thank you for your honesty. I am going to approach this from the “other side” so to speak, hopefully that will help. I had a friend, a really good friend in fact I loved her very much! Unfortunately she*** felt*** that I didn’t like her as much and so the relationship was challenging. She would say things like “I think you are too busy for me” or even “I know you have other friends you call more than me” and it was awkward. No matter how much I told her that she was a good friend it didn’t matter, because I was fighting a losing battle, the battle was insider her mind.

If you had concrete examples, such as your mother in law was rude to you and nice to her former daughter in law, or that your husband seemed distant and had photos of his ex-wife and talked about her then this would be a different story. The people in your life are not perfect of course, but it does seem that they DO love you! Take their imperfections and try to love them anyway, and do all you can and grow the relationships. Try to build on what you have and grow, don’t simply focus on what you think you don’t have. This will be hard I think.
Thank you! My mother in law has not been rude to me, if anything, she treats me very well however she does get jealous because my husband is completely focused on our family, our marriage, me and his career. She will make comments like “You don’t call me or text me enough.” I’m not sure what to make of all of this. I’m not sure if she talks to her ex daughter in law however when she does talk to me about her, she does not speak nicely of her.
 
It appears as though my mother in law has always and will always love her ex daughter in law. Why in the world does she speak badly of her to me and turns around and says she loves her? Oh my word, I don’t know what to make of this.
 
It appears as though my mother in law has always and will always love her ex daughter in law. Why in the world does she speak badly of her to me and turns around and says she loves her? Oh my word, I don’t know what to make of this.
She’s probably trying to make you feel better by saying she doesn’t like your husband’s ex. Maybe she thinks it’ll stop you worrying about feeling left out, or something like that. Obviously, it’s having the opposite effect.

I honestly wouldn’t make a big deal out of it. Maybe next time you see her, you can tell her you don’t want to hear any bad mouthing because you aren’t really interested how your MIL feels about her. You don’t have to listen to it, and it doesn’t have to be an issue.

When it comes to talking about your husband, I would just say it as you have written it on here. Tell him you feel insecure, and tell him why. It isn’t anything to be ashamed of, it’s natural really. But remember you’re the wife and not the ex for a reason.

Lou
 
She’s probably trying to make you feel better by saying she doesn’t like your husband’s ex. Maybe she thinks it’ll stop you worrying about feeling left out, or something like that. Obviously, it’s having the opposite effect.

I honestly wouldn’t make a big deal out of it. Maybe next time you see her, you can tell her you don’t want to hear any bad mouthing because you aren’t really interested how your MIL feels about her. You don’t have to listen to it, and it doesn’t have to be an issue.

When it comes to talking about your husband, I would just say it as you have written it on here. Tell him you feel insecure, and tell him why. It isn’t anything to be ashamed of, it’s natural really. But remember you’re the wife and not the ex for a reason.

Lou
I wonder what the outcome will be if I did approach my mother in law about this. I don’t want to make a big ordeal or create tension however it does bother me. I don’t like hypocrites and it makes me feel uncomfortable that she has two faces. I don’t want to begin to imagine. As far as telling my husband, I will bring it to his attention upon his arrival on Sunday. I am feeling confused 😦 cornered and alone.
 
I wonder what the outcome will be if I did approach my mother in law about this. I don’t want to make a big ordeal or create tension however it does bother me. I don’t like hypocrites and it makes me feel uncomfortable that she has two faces. I don’t want to begin to imagine. As far as telling my husband, I will bring it to his attention upon his arrival on Sunday. I am feeling confused 😦 cornered and alone.
Maybe the next time she brings it up, you could tell her (gently) that it makes you uncomfortable to hear it? If she gets angry or upset, you could just tell her it makes you feel a bit insecure and you don’t want to cause any problems, but it really does bother you.

Your husband’s in the military, right? It does make sense that you feel insecure if you can’t spend a lot of time with him. Make sure what time you do spend is good quality. You don’t have to worry about it - how you feel is incredibly important, and talking about it will help your marriage.

Do you have a good support network? Do you talk to your own family and friends regularly? You aren’t alone - it sounds like you need a boost of confidence to make you feel better. That’s not wrong or bad, it’s completely healthy :console:

Lou
 
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