Seems like a lot of longterm marriages are ending

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I heard recently (sorry, can’t quote a source) that the “year marks” for divorce are 5 - 7 years (7 year itch!) and then again around 16 - 20 years. The latter one being couples who raised kids, became empty nesters, then had nothing in common and divorced. —KCT
This is what I’m familiar with, for that exact reason. I’ve never heard of a trend where really long marriages (like 40-60+ years) are breaking up, but it seems like something that apparently is becoming a little more common (from the previous posts here).

Wow, this is great stuff. (Not the divorces 😛 ; the potential changes in social trends.)
 
This is what I’m familiar with, for that exact reason. I’ve never heard of a trend where really long marriages (like 40-60+ years) are breaking up, but it seems like something that apparently is becoming a little more common (from the previous posts here).

Wow, this is great stuff. (Not the divorces 😛 ; the potential changes in social trends.)
The older successful marriages break up for all the same reasons the younger successful marriages do. One I see often it is that people “grow apart”, but people that love each other need not “grow apart.”

Retirement, as someone else mentioned, can be a big stresser. Every turning point in life is. Sometimes one spouse ‘grows’ and leaves the other behind. I have seen established marriages break up when one of them goes back to college. People think its the coeds – its not. One of them has decided to completely change the kind of life he/she wants to live and the other isn’t on board.

Its surprising how many couples that have worked out everything else have never really talked about retirement. One wants to travel, one wants to stay home. One wants to spend all that money, the other is still in saving mode.

Why is this happening more? With respect, I don’t think it has anything to do with ABC, and only some to do with lax divorce laws. Back in the day there weren’t as many choices to make. People didn’t change careers at middle age. People didn’t really retire until they were quite old. Now there are lots of choices and paths to take in life. That’s good. But make damn sure you choose the paths together, and you both really truly agree, or you may be taking the next turn alone.
 
Older people are suspectable to the same things that influence younger people.

The media constantly tells us to ‘follow your heart’ and everything will turn out fine. The only problem is that emotions tend to be unreliable guides because they shift and change frequently. As we don’t live in bubbles isolated from others, following your whims can be selfish and can seriously hurt those around you.

We are also told that we shouldn’t have to live with unfullfilled longings. Guess what? No matter what path you choice in life, you are going to have some point in your life in which you think, mmmm…I wonder if I would be happier if I had…

I am not saying that emotions are unimportant, just that we seem to have swung to far in one direction when it comes to dealing with our own desires, wants and needs.
 
The older successful marriages break up for all the same reasons the younger successful marriages do. One I see often it is that people “grow apart”, but people that love each other need not “grow apart.”

Retirement, as someone else mentioned, can be a big stresser. Every turning point in life is. Sometimes one spouse ‘grows’ and leaves the other behind. I have seen established marriages break up when one of them goes back to college. People think its the coeds – its not. One of them has decided to completely change the kind of life he/she wants to live and the other isn’t on board.

Its surprising how many couples that have worked out everything else have never really talked about retirement. One wants to travel, one wants to stay home. One wants to spend all that money, the other is still in saving mode.

Why is this happening more? With respect, I don’t think it has anything to do with ABC, and only some to do with lax divorce laws. Back in the day there weren’t as many choices to make. People didn’t change careers at middle age. People didn’t really retire until they were quite old. Now there are lots of choices and paths to take in life. That’s good. But make damn sure you choose the paths together, and you both really truly agree, or you may be taking the next turn alone.
Another difference with retirement is that people are living longer, so they spend more years together in retirement. Years ago, people tended to die shortly after retiring.
 
Older people are suspectable to the same things that influence younger people.

The media constantly tells us to ‘follow your heart’ and everything will turn out fine. The only problem is that emotions tend to be unreliable guides because they shift and change frequently. As we don’t live in bubbles isolated from others, following your whims can be selfish and can seriously hurt those around you.

We are also told that we shouldn’t have to live with unfullfilled longings. Guess what? No matter what path you choice in life, you are going to have some point in your life in which you think, mmmm…I wonder if I would be happier if I had…

I am not saying that emotions are unimportant, just that we seem to have swung to far in one direction when it comes to dealing with our own desires, wants and needs.
That is such a good point(s), deb. I must admit…at the low times in my marriage, were the times when I was the most self centered…and wanting and wishing…etc. (and not being immersed in my faith for sure)

I will contend though that I have seen many couples stay together for the kids…and I don’t know if that is how God intended marriage either?🤷 I mean, is marriage strictly to be sacrificing to our spouses? Is it wrong to view marriage as wanting that person to help you out, too??
 
I’m going to start a new thread in another section on this…GOD’S INTENT FOR MARRIAGE. Sometimes, I get it totally, and sometimes, I don’t know what God’s view of a good marriage should be like.🤷
 
I will contend though that I have seen many couples stay together for the kids…
A friend of mine worked with a man who was only staying married until all of his kids turned 18, so he would not have to pay child support. He was determined to end the marriage after that. My friend said that her co-worker did exactly that. The day after the youngest kid turned 18, he sent his wife divorce papers. He had planned to divorce his wife many years ago. My friend is not sure if the man’s wife knew, but it was no secret at the office.
 
A friend of mine worked with a man who was only staying married until all of his kids turned 18, so he would not have to pay child support. He was determined to end the marriage after that. My friend said that her co-worker did exactly that. The day after the youngest kid turned 18, he sent his wife divorce papers. He had planned to divorce his wife many years ago. My friend is not sure if the man’s wife knew, but it was no secret at the office.
OMG…how dismal of a marriage that must have been for not only him, but his wife, as well. To live a lie basically …ugh. I started the thread everyone…please chime in with your ideas or thoughts on GOD’S VIEW ON MARRIAGE. Thanks!🙂
 
I will contend though that I have seen many couples stay together for the kids…and I don’t know if that is how God intended marriage either?🤷 I mean, is marriage strictly to be sacrificing to our spouses? Is it wrong to view marriage as wanting that person to help you out, too??
I think that we can’t go to extremes either way.

As far as staying together for the children…I think that such a couple might be inclined to believe that they no longer have to try and make their marriages better because they are only together for the children. So, in a sense, their marriage is doomed to failure, because they give up trying to make the marriage work.

What I am about to say doesn’t hold true for marriages which have abuse, adultery or addictions in them, all right?

In normal marriages, with normal people, problems usually are brought about by BOTH spouses yet people often only see their own side of the issue.Of the people that I know in a normal marriage(meaning not having any of the three issues above) all got divorces based on what they percieved was the opposite spouse’s faults. If you don’t accept your own problems in a marriage then not only can you not fix your marriage but you end up making the same mistakes with the next spouse.
 
I have discovered that some single moms can become infatuated with the type of man who they would never been attracted to while single. A wife might think that her plump, balding husband is not a good catch, but a woman ending a bad marriage might see him differently. A stable male with a job, house and car who already does little things like taking out the trash or plays ball with his kids, suddently becomes a catch.
Wow, this is very true. There have been several occasions where I’ve received “unwanted attention” (I’m a guy) from woman undergoing a divorce, and in every case, the husband’s personality was the complete opposite of mine.
 
I think there is also a lot of the “staying together for the children” in older couples. That was true of my parents. They were unhappy for many years, but as soon as the youngest was out of college (me), they actually divorced. I think there is some value to that, rather than younger couples who just think, me, me me and divorce while their chidlren are still young.
 
I just want to make it clear that I’m not advocating divorce. It’s just, in my personal circumstances, my dad was not committed to improving the marriage. If they were both committed to improving their marriage, then that would have been different. But I don’t think that parents should think that having a bad marriage has no negative affect on their children.
It’s true that a bad marriage has an affect on the children. But stability is important too. My parents were very quietly unhappy, so it didn’t affect us children as much as parents who are screaming and throwing things. My dad was also overseas on assignment for many of those last, unhappy years. Don’t know if that made things better or worse for them.
 
Another difference with retirement is that people are living longer, so they spend more years together in retirement. Years ago, people tended to die shortly after retiring.
Yes this is very true. And the stress of ill health can drive people apart too. One spouse is still vigorous and ready to go, the other is tiring and sickly for example.
 
I think there is also a lot of the “staying together for the children” in older couples. That was true of my parents. They were unhappy for many years, but as soon as the youngest was out of college (me), they actually divorced. I think there is some value to that, rather than younger couples who just think, me, me me and divorce while their chidlren are still young.
It’s true that a bad marriage has an affect on the children. But stability is important too. My parents were very quietly unhappy, so it didn’t affect us children as much as parents who are screaming and throwing things. My dad was also overseas on assignment for many of those last, unhappy years. Don’t know if that made things better or worse for them.
Although I think that was children are adults and their parents divorce, it could even be harder. By the time the children are adults themselves, they are not clueless. When they see the divorce papers served as soon as they turn 18 or graduate from high school or college, they figure out right away that their parents were just staying together “for the kids”. This may cause even more resentment from the kids. For instance, the man who waited until his last kid was 18 but all the people in the office knew his plan. If the man just did that to avoid child support, will he even bother with his adult children, or will he just disappear completely from their lives?
 
Although I think that was children are adults and their parents divorce, it could even be harder. By the time the children are adults themselves, they are not clueless. When they see the divorce papers served as soon as they turn 18 or graduate from high school or college, they figure out right away that their parents were just staying together “for the kids”. This may cause even more resentment from the kids. For instance, the man who waited until his last kid was 18 but all the people in the office knew his plan. If the man just did that to avoid child support, will he even bother with his adult children, or will he just disappear completely from their lives?
It doesn’t sound like this man was remaining in the marriage for his children but in order to avoid paying out money, so he wasn’t actually being self sacrificing. As far as the children’s feelings, I would imagine that he wouldn’t have been the greatest dad anyway.😦 His poor children.
 
It’s true that a bad marriage has an affect on the children. But stability is important too. My parents were very quietly unhappy, so it didn’t affect us children as much as parents who are screaming and throwing things. My dad was also overseas on assignment for many of those last, unhappy years. Don’t know if that made things better or worse for them.
I think that for some couples who remain together but continue to argue in front of their children, there is some pleasure in being martyrs. They will get pity from the kids who they made sure knew why they were unhappy with their lives. This is a sort of abuse, I would think.
 
I don’t know a specific stat, but I have been seeing this in my everyday life …my sister was married 27 years, then divorced. We have neighbors and family members who were married 30+ years, then divorced. People that I work with…of course, I don’t ask the details, but I just find it interesting that long term marriages are ending at a more rapid rate than say 25 years ago? Divorce in general is higher, I know, but after 35 years of being married to someone…why would someone then consider divorce? What I mean by that, is that a marriage couldn’t be great for so long, and then go sour…or could it?? Maybe the couples were living a lie all their lives, and finally had enough? It’s sad, though. I think of growing old with my husband–it would sadden me if he left me at any time, let alone when I’m 60 or something.😦

Do you see this happening around you? What do you make of it?:confused:
whats real sad is(some) people dont remember their vows before God anymore. they sometimes let the world dictate their views on marriage.
 
whats real sad is(some) people dont remember their vows before God anymore. they sometimes let the world dictate their views on marriage.
yes, that is true too. but to go through nearly an entire lifetime being married…somewhere along the lines, they had to have taken the vows seriously??
 
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