Segmentation of the Church

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I think one thing Catholics of every rite and viewpoint can agree on is that so many of us have been assimilated into mainstream culture and incorporated it into our lives as Catholics. I heard it last week on Al Kresta’s radio program, for example. Typically, I’ve heard it said by conservative Catholics who express their disappointment in those Catholics who are more focused on social justice issues and read “rags” like Commonweal and the National Catholic Reporter. But I think the allegation that, but for conservatives, Catholics have swallowed mainstream culture whole is wrong. Not because liberals and moderates haven’t swallowed much of mainstream culture, which they have.

Beyond that, and to me an even larger problem, is the issue that we have almost dropped the need to be “one church,” an exhortation made by different New Testament figures. In 1 Corinthians 1, Paul bemoans the fact that the Corinthians have split into factions, claiming leadership by different leaders… Apollos, Paul, Cephas (Peter). He reminds them that it’s not Paul who died for their sins, but Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 11, the institution of the Eucharist, begins with the scolding by Paul of the Corinthian Church for some members eating before others (this is generally agreed by historians to reflect a rich/poor divide). He tells them that they need to eat together (a particular point of Pauline teaching that echoes in many of his letters, including Galatians and Romans).

Above and beyond all that is Jesus’ statement, “blessed are the peacemakers,” a title for people I don’t see very often. Instead, conservatives lambast liberals for hypocrisy and supporting a culture of death, while liberals decry conservatives for putting truth before love and for undermining the teachings of Vatican II. Almost universally, I’ve heard both conservatives and liberals say that the “other side” doesn’t care about human dignity, and are consumed self-satisfaction.

I think much of this ideological division in the Church comes from the fact that all of us have consumed the divide that our political leaders and political parties want to engender. American culture in general is divided by political persuasion, with Rachel Maddow and Glenn Beck fans only listening to their own news. I think the two political parties have promised all sorts of opportunities for Catholics and other Christians to “make change from within,” but have largely used religious people to populate their electoral efforts. And even prominent Catholic thinkers seem to follow the partisan line: George Weigel was a prominent apologist for the Bush administration during invasion of Iraq, and Joe Biden seems to pay lip service to a faith in which I can see little influence in his political proclamations. And it seems to me that in beholding ourselves to the two-headed partisan beast that we’ve resolved our cognitive dissonance over voting for otherwise awful policies by minimizing their moral and social import (e.g., war vs. abortion; contraception vs. climate change).

This division is reinforced by “parish shopping” where everyone find the parish that lets them worship alongside people who share their lifestyles and values.

Overall, I think this division is horrible for the Church, and counter-Biblical. I would like to ask everyone’s opinions on how we can overcome this utterly poisonous division. I think everyone here is acting in good faith, so I ask that you respond in like fashion. What do you think we can do to overcome this division in the Church?
 
I think you are getting a false sense of this ‘segmentation’ from these forums. I personally don’t see it out on the streets so to speak but maybe that is because I live in an area where Catholics are the minority and we are surrounded by protestants. So this is more of what I see…

ncregister.com/daily-news/protestant-south-becoming-a-new-catholic-stronghold?utm_source=feedly

I also think ‘parish shopping’ has more to do with liturgy. Having said that it wouldn’t hurt if somehow we could get consistent proper liturgy and good catechesis all around. Not only having RCIA for converts but maybe faith formation classes for those already Catholic. In America at least it would be nice for the saying to be I am a Catholic American instead of an American Catholic
 
The Church has indeed segmented. That was the plan all along: to divide our house against itself. The goal was to poison all levels of Western society under the guise of a false freedom, which leads to listening to others - men - as opposed to the Church founded by Christ. The enemy began to gather right after Vatican II.

1966 The National Organization for women, a vicious anti-family group, is founded.

1967 Leaders in Catholic higher education sign a statement that separated them from the Church hierarchy in the name of “freedom.” The Pill is marketed as freedom from fear. Fear of what? Babies.

1968 The “live for the flesh” Sex without love or commitment Revolution starts, which is immediately rebuffed by Pope Paul VI in his encyclical Humanae Vitae. Dissidents inside and outside the Church go nuts. You can’t have people listening to the Pope! So when the Hippies began appearing in our neighborhoods, promising a better, freer way, we didn’t know better because we were taught to welcome the stranger. Their message to us? “Don’t trust anyone over 30!” Mom, dad, priests, nuns, the way you were brought up doesn’t matter - LISTEN TO US! So what did they give us? Porn, underground perverted comix and newspapers that taught us to act like Communists and to “eat the rich.”

Dope, sex with whoever, and booze. And Eastern religions and beliefs - forget about Christianity. Do whatever you want. And they lived in open scandal. When parents, neighbors and relatives tried to correct them, all we heard was: “Leave us alone! We’ll live how we want!!!”

1969 The National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws is founded, and we were lied to.

1970s Porn bookstores, strip clubs and topless bars open everywhere. Just a few years back, the worst you could legally do was Playboy, now it was graphic sex. And people became addicted as planned.

1973 The Supreme Court, not the people, without good reason, legalizes abortion. And the American Psychiatric Association, under pressure from radical gay activists, throws out years of studies and research and removes homosexuality as a disorder from their Diagnostic and Statistical Manual by vote.

So, in the five year plan, from 1968 to 1973, the stage is set for today, but there’s more.

During the 1970s, the National Organization for Women demonized all men, including the leadership of the Church. They wanted women to abandon their role as homemaker and get a career and said everything they could to make men something to be not trusted and feared. That woman must be separate from men because men are, by nature, evil. That fertilized the ground for the

1980s Classified ads were in the newspapers, because it was nobody’s fault anymore. Lawyers ran ads like this: “No kids? $75 and you’re out. Call 800-DIVORCE.”

I gradually saw people I knew. Fellow Catholics. Take in a little poison, whether it was porn, dope, living with and having sex with their girlfriend, drinking and no longer respecting anybody, including themselves. They were free agents now. Honor thy Mother and thy Father? Who cares?

Starting in the 1970s, the mass media gradually began to introduce subject matter that would have been forbidden just several years prior. TV gradually turned up the volume on sex, partial nudity, profanity and simulated sex scenes, with the movies filled, not with love and romance, but actors and actresses degrading themselves and modeling lewd, obscene, profane and dysfunctional behavior, and they made it seem normal or average. Why did the media turns its spotlight from the good and wholesome to the shameless, guiltless, and sin? what’s that? form of “entertainment”?

All the people I mentioned had only one goal: to gradually poison the Body of Christ over the last 40 years so that we are insensitive or indifferent to sin and they wanted society remade in their image and likeness and convince us to like it!

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So, it is up to us, the lay faithful.

ncregister.com/daily-news/archbishop-chaput-religious-liberty-depends-on-lay-faithful-not-bishops/

That’s right. If we don’t act on what the Bishops and Pope Francis are telling us, things will not improve. So here’s the plan.
  1. Look at yourself as you look at the way things are now. Pray because for too many, prayer does not count as much as actual action. We must have faith and ask for God’s guidance first. Not live like He doesn’t exist. Too many Catholics are living like pagans. I heard that from a priest on Catholic Radio. Obviously, they were taught by bad role models. Each of us need to be good role models to the best of our ability.
  2. I doubt many Catholics know what the word catechesis means. Collect pamphlets that answer questions for young and old about the primary problem facing us: addiction to impure living and sex and porn. Time to clear our homes. Dispose of anything that is harmful and cut waaay back on TV and the movies, which show darkness, death and evil as cool and fun, along with terrible examples of wrong sexual behavior.
  3. We NEED a return to a proper sense of shame, guilt and sin. Make a note for yourself and notice how many people, including comedians, are telling you to live wrong. I was shocked when I heard the late George Carlin state: “There’s nobody - up there.” Or another comedian say there’s no such thing as bad language. Who died and made him God?
  4. Yes, things have changed and we are guilty but it’s time to confess our sins and move back to the light of faith. When I was a boy, I thought of God every day and desired to please Him by acting according to what I was taught in Catholic school.
  5. Go out into the streets in groups and hand out pamphlets to passers-by about gay marriage, abortion, cohabitation, chastity, true marriage and euthanasia. Let’s not be invisible. The media, for the most part, has nothing good to say about us. It’s time to speak up as often as we can.
  6. Start a men’s group or women’s group in your Parish. We must stop going to Church and getting in our cars and driving home without the faintest idea of who we were sitting next to. Get to know each other. Faithful Catholics! Get together.
  7. We must make a list of good alternatives to all the bad media out there. We must make the effort. We cannot afford to be passive. I know, some of us are burdened with other things, but those who are not: pray in front of an abortion clinic, help the poor that you see on the street (with due caution in some cases). That’s Jesus on that street corner. Bring your kids, if you feel comfortable or they’re old enough, so they can see your good example.
Play board games with your kids, make things with them. Introduce them to good books. Take them to the local library. Science-fiction prior to 1960 is good stuff. Comic books from before 1970 are also good stuff - a lot of it has been reprinted in hardcover books. And old movies before 1965, with few exceptions, will show true love, friendship, kindness and fantastic things, like the pre-1965 Disney animated movies.

Yes, there was a time when you could take a young lady to dinner and a movie. Today? Dinner, yes. Movie? No in most cases, with the rare exception.

We must build up groups of Catholics working together to form Catholic communities that exist outside the Church building. And finally, no more 18 and out. Families create other families and in-laws. I know that some Catholics feel like they’ve been through too many divorces, used too many drugs, shacked up too often or did other wrong things, that God can’t forgive them or they just hope they will get in that death-bed confession. Don’t risk it.

Don’t dwell on it but look at your past honestly and contact a priest. God is waiting to forgive you, His Church wants you back, and you can experience a renewal of your mind. And get involved in spreading the truth, even if it’s just on forums like this one.

We cannot afford to develop a “who cares” attitude or God will take care of it or, I heard this from a friend, “I guess when I die, whoever’s up there will deal with me.” What? You’re Catholic and you don’t fear God as your loving Father?

Make plans, which means everybody reading this. Ask God: What can I do?, earnestly. Don’t fear your priest. Talk to him. Ask for his advice. I remember seeing a priest walking through my neighborhood when I was a boy. I asked my mom about what he was doing. She explained he was going to give Communion to someone who was sick.

Let us be alive and active as God grants us strength.

More info on request.

Peace,
Ed
 
Look for areas of agreement and work on that.

I remember seeing some TV program while in N. IL, and how pro-choice people joined with pro-life people to work on reducing unwanted pregnancies – thru efforts to reduce promiscuous sex, etc. It wasn’t a Catholic thing, but even the pro-choice side could agree that having an abortion was not a picnic and it would have been much better if the woman had not gotten pregnant in the first place rather than have an abortion.

My own issue that I’m very keen about is enviornmental problems – without viable air, water, soil, resources for our products and buildings, and climate to grow our crops life is not possible – so I see enviornmental issues as more fundamental than, say, the economy (which rests on the foundation of the environment). But most people don’t seem very aware of such problems, or dismiss them out-of-hand because the implication is they are doing something wrong and no one likes to admit wrong-doing. Or their political party says there are no environmental problems, etc.

What I’ve found, however, is that people are more amenable to solutions, esp ones that save them money or don’t cost, or don’t cost much. There is no end to the fight about whether or not there are enviornmental problems, but nearly everyone is amenable to working on solutions that have many benefits.

There are lots of tough nuts to crack, but I’m thinking if all the benefits that a married couple has (like health insurance thru their spouse, hospital visitation rights, inheritance rights, tax breaks, etc) can be afforded to homosexual couples (and their children) without having to be legally married, then there would probably be less push for same sex marriage – it would take a good amount of wind out of their sails. For instance, if we had universal health care (something beyond Obamacare), that would take care of that problem; and I think the other issues could also be cleared up.

The other side of the same-sex marriage coin is the high divorce and non-marriage rates among heterosexual couples. I think we really need to strengthen marriage, as much as or perhaps more than we need to address SSM.

If Catholics could be made to see marriage as a convent they enter to do penance the rest of their lives, for the sake of the life of the world and to strengthen their own character and aid their own spiritual growth (rather than Cinderella marrying Prince Charming and living happily ever after), then they might end up very pleasantly surprised when they find a few happy and blissful moments in a hectic day. Also, I’m thinking it is a very wise and prudent thing to stick it out in marriage…for economic reasons and welfare in old age. My husband of 44 years and I are just entering that phase, and we can now clearly see the great benefits of staying married thru thick and thin.

Also sticking it out in marriage is a great way to learn how to get along with others one disagrees with 🙂

Strengthen marriage, and the other problems that divide us tend to get cleared up.
 
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