Self-Harming child

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I’m hoping some of you have some ideas here, my husband and I are in unknown territory. Some background might help…my son is 15 and is the middle of 6 sisters. He has always had the most tender heart, but has also been attacked by the evil one since a child. He would wake in the night screaming like he was on fire from about age 3 to 14. He has always slept with night lights (some years it was his full on bedroom light). He told us a few years ago that he, “couldn’t tell us” why he woke screaming…he said we would never understand and that he couldn’t describe the creatures in his room because they didn’t really exist anywhere. We spoke to a trusted, very enlightened priest, who told us that we had to bless his room and BELIEVE HIM when he tells us things. He also said we needed to get our house blessed. We’ve lived in three different houses since the night terrors started. He couldn’t verbalize to us until he was about ten (in this current house). I might add, when my son was very little, he found some brown scapulars and tied them to the posts of his bed and slept with a rosary.
But in the last 18 months, he has changed. He sunk into a deep depression, he tried to kill himself, he had been self-harming. Our priest friend was killed in a car accident a few years ago. I cannot talk about evil affecting my son to the outside world…people will think we are nuts. The night terrors stopped. We had to temporarily place him in a treatment facility and begin anti-depressants. We thought things were ok and he wanted to wean off his meds. He was involved with public school activities, homeschool friends, Church youth group (even went to leadership camp), but in the last month I’ve seen him withdrawing more again and caught him self harming last week. We are again looking at treatment centers and chose one where he can do school during the day and be home at night and also put him back on the anti-depressants. I feel we are in a cycle though, that will not break, unless we can get the evil to leave him alone. When I tried to talk to him about “I don’t mean to dismiss your pain or demean it in any way. Teenage years are hard, but when you grow up you’ll realize that your stresses, your pain, is little compared with what the adult world has to deal with.” I did not expect this response. “I don’t believe in God, I hate you (well, I did expect that). There are people dying, suffering, pain, wars, famine, disease, hatred, evil, death…It is too much. God can’t exist in all that…” I know he has NEVER been able to come to grips with redemptive suffering. He gets physically pained when he sees others suffer. If my husband and I are talking about someone, my son will interject and say, “don’t talk about people” and walk off. He sees us as hypocrites, but it is so much worse every day. I would like to get him in with a monk or religious community that might help him make sense of it all. In my mind I have him spending spring break, working, eating, praying and living alongside a community of religious who are aware of the evil in the world and are practicing redemption for the world. Anyone have any ideas?
 
Kay,

This is not something we can help you with. You need professional help from a trained psychologist. You should also speak to your pastor.

Your son has very real problems. They may be of a spiritual origin, but they may also be psychological in nature, or both.

Do not exclude mental illness. Your son has very serious problems, and in-patient care may be best for him. We cannot give medical advice here. So you simply must talk to a psychologist.

I am so sorry you and your family are going through this. I know you love your son, and are worried about him. I wish I had some better solution to offer.
 
And that is the typical response…which wasn’t my question…and in the psychiatric world, they see nothing wrong with my son and send him home from treatment facilities…he is struggling in his faith and you give me mental illness? Yes, he has spoken to our pastor, my son refuses to meet with him again. Yes, he is in counseling, but counseling doesn’t help him deal with his crisis of faith. I was asking if anyone had or knew of an order of men dedicated to redemptive work on a 24/7 basis.
 
Best advice is to seek the continued professional help for your child. Praying for the intentions of your family. God bless.
 
And that is the typical response…which wasn’t my question…and in the psychiatric world, they see nothing wrong with my son and send him home from treatment facilities…he is struggling in his faith and you give me mental illness? Yes, he has spoken to our pastor, my son refuses to meet with him again. Yes, he is in counseling, but counseling doesn’t help him deal with his crisis of faith. I was asking if anyone had or knew of an order of men dedicated to redemptive work on a 24/7 basis.
It’s unfortunately not unusual for a teenager to lose their faith. I think 1ke was responding to the fact that you titled your post “self-harming child” and spent most of it discussing what do appear to be mental issues. How can the psychiatric world see nothing wrong with a child physically hurting himself? That is not normal behavior.

If you’re set on the spring break idea, I would probably start by looking at religious orders in your nearest city and asking if they could use a volunteer for a week. NYC has brothers that go into the inner city and check on residents who live in the projects. Pittsburgh has the same. But is it safe or him to be away from family for that long? Priests and brothers aren’t trained to offer psychological help and it may be more of a burden for them to have to supervise a moody and suicidal teenager.

I’ll pray for your family.
 
I guess I wasn’t clear. He isn’t moody or act otherwise depressed, except while home. He gets good grades, he is very bright and to the outside world looks and behaves normally (had the doctor @ the overnight treatment facility call us and ask why he was there). It is only at home, only when he opens to us that we see his pain. No drugs, does homework, chores and is not rebellious to anyone but me. My husband thinks this is because we are “safe.” I know a Catholic boarding school was out of the question, but thought a temporary exposure to a prayerful, God loving, group of men would be good for him (my husband has been absent for much of his life and only just now has a job that allows him to be home more).
 
I have not ever heard of a place like you are seeking but that doesn’t mean there isn’t one. So, I am going to pray for you to be able to find the kind of situation that will help your son’s faith crisis.
 
I hope you find what you seek too.

As the father of a very difficult 13 year old, I have my own horror stories. For no particular reason, she has improved greatly in the last 9 months and we pray that continues.

Our daughter is also the dream when dealing with friends, school, church, counselors etc. They have no idea what we have to endure when she goes Chernobyl. We certainly do because we seen it happen so many times.

I’m not willing to proclaim that we’ve turned a corner but life has been much better the last few months. I’ve been able to dream for her again.

Something like you seek does seem to be a good idea. However, good luck finding it. If there is a monastery in the area, call and ask. All they can do is say no.
 
Dear KL,
If you can’t locate a monastery, have you considered counseling with Catholic Community Services? Here is a link in your state.

The teen years are tough. It’s hard to tell the difference between mental and spiritual trials. Your son sounds very sensitive and aware of others’ sufferings.
I would not tell him that “when you grow up you’ll realize that your stresses, your pain, is little compared with what the adult world has to deal with.” I can remember as a teen being overwhelmed with the pain I heard of, and for years I went around looking for signs that it was not really as bad as it seems. Now that I’m grown, I can put it into perspective and see God’s mercy in the world, but couldn’t then.

Sometimes just hanging in there with the child is all you can do, until they grow up enough to find their own balance. I have kids who have been thieves, bullies, atheists, school drop-outs, vandals, drug dealers. People have said at various times to cut them out of my life, but I won’t ever give up on any of them.
There is always hope. It helps a child a great deal to know that his parents (or parent) are on his side, care deeply about him. It sounds like your son has that support. Keep praying.
 
I guess I wasn’t clear. He isn’t moody or act otherwise depressed, except while home. He gets good grades, he is very bright and to the outside world looks and behaves normally (had the doctor @ the overnight treatment facility call us and ask why he was there). It is only at home, only when he opens to us that we see his pain. No drugs, does homework, chores and is not rebellious to anyone but me. My husband thinks this is because we are “safe.” I know a Catholic boarding school was out of the question, but thought a temporary exposure to a prayerful, God loving, group of men would be good for him (my husband has been absent for much of his life and only just now has a job that allows him to be home more).
I was a teenager not too long ago, so What you are describing about him appearing ‘normal’ to the outside world is what all teenagers do when they are depressed; they don’t want anyone to know so you’re husband is absolutely right, you guys are ‘safe’ so he can vent and sulk in the ‘comfort’ of his home. He would never try to show that side in public which is actually a good thing because it shows he hasn’t given up. He still cares even if he won’t admit it to you. The situation isn’t hopeless. It’s a horrible thing but not uncommon. It does concern me that he self harms though.
Don’t try to push him towards groups, it will only push him more away. Just talk to him daily (even if he ignores you), love him, and do try to balance him on some meds, at least until he stabilizes.
 
Hey, first question- did you you get the house blessed? I no it might seem to others your nuts but guess what- its a terrible gift a few of us are given:) and your son has it to. I have it also, I thought I was crazy intill one of are visting priest said mention of seeing that which likes to stay hidden. I talked to are main priest and I’m now helping our demonology priest with my girft to see those he can’t . Ive found praying the rosary helps try it with him or for him might help. Pray to mary and his guardian angel. Also that depression is satan or the demons messing with him. Satan wants people miserable, the sadder you are the farther from god you feel. Oh and I was taught by a psychologist if you can get a person (your son) to focus on a single thing for 10 seconds for 10 days it thickens the part of the brain that sends out endorphins, the thicker it is the more that are sent. I wish you great love and prays for your family- (future nun)-liz
 
Would it help any, from the spiritual angle, to find him some examples of the Saints who were in life’s worst circumstances but found something positive to do - prayer, for instance? The story of the life of Pope St. John Paul II, the bad things he endured under Nazism and Communism, and how he never gave up and was an instrument of the Holy Spirit to see Communism start to crumble within his lifetime? Or St. Maximilian Kolbe in the concentration camp . . . anything to help him see that despair is what makes things even worse, and that we must fight the spiritual battle and the hosts of Heaven will be fighting right by our side. And that as Mother Teresa said, we don’t have to be successful, just faithful - it sounds as if your son is trying to fix the whole world on his own. (I’ve been this way myself since childhood . . . :o and experienced fears and despair at times.)

I would also contact your bishop and see if exorcism has any role to play in his healing, and put your son on prayer lists so many others can be praying for him. A St. Benedict medal would be another help.
 
I’m hoping some of you have some ideas here, my husband and I are in unknown territory. Some background might help…my son is 15 and is the middle of 6 sisters. He has always had the most tender heart, but has also been attacked by the evil one since a child. He would wake in the night screaming like he was on fire from about age 3 to 14. He has always slept with night lights (some years it was his full on bedroom light). He told us a few years ago that he, “couldn’t tell us” why he woke screaming…he said we would never understand and that he couldn’t describe the creatures in his room because they didn’t really exist anywhere. We spoke to a trusted, very enlightened priest, who told us that we had to bless his room and BELIEVE HIM when he tells us things. He also said we needed to get our house blessed. We’ve lived in three different houses since the night terrors started. He couldn’t verbalize to us until he was about ten (in this current house). I might add, when my son was very little, he found some brown scapulars and tied them to the posts of his bed and slept with a rosary.
But in the last 18 months, he has changed. He sunk into a deep depression, he tried to kill himself, he had been self-harming. Our priest friend was killed in a car accident a few years ago. I cannot talk about evil affecting my son to the outside world…people will think we are nuts. The night terrors stopped. We had to temporarily place him in a treatment facility and begin anti-depressants. We thought things were ok and he wanted to wean off his meds. He was involved with public school activities, homeschool friends, Church youth group (even went to leadership camp), but in the last month I’ve seen him withdrawing more again and caught him self harming last week. We are again looking at treatment centers and chose one where he can do school during the day and be home at night and also put him back on the anti-depressants. I feel we are in a cycle though, that will not break, unless we can get the evil to leave him alone. When I tried to talk to him about “I don’t mean to dismiss your pain or demean it in any way. Teenage years are hard, but when you grow up you’ll realize that your stresses, your pain, is little compared with what the adult world has to deal with.” I did not expect this response. “I don’t believe in God, I hate you (well, I did expect that). There are people dying, suffering, pain, wars, famine, disease, hatred, evil, death…It is too much. God can’t exist in all that…” I know he has NEVER been able to come to grips with redemptive suffering. He gets physically pained when he sees others suffer. If my husband and I are talking about someone, my son will interject and say, “don’t talk about people” and walk off. He sees us as hypocrites, but it is so much worse every day. I would like to get him in with a monk or religious community that might help him make sense of it all. In my mind I have him spending spring break, working, eating, praying and living alongside a community of religious who are aware of the evil in the world and are practicing redemption for the world. Anyone have any ideas?
Well, there seems to be two issues here.

I empathize with you that your son has been suffering from psychotic episodes for quite some time, so you’re not going to get any better advice from anyone on this forum other than to see a psychological professional; therefore, I’ll try to help with the second issue.

The issue of Redemptive Suffering is, of course, a very interesting (read: annoying) topic to explain… Many priests sometimes struggle to understand it as well, I assure you. :o

Try this: First, Define God as omnipotent, omnipresent, etc, etc. Then read into the book of Job, most specifically Job 2:10, where he states “We accept good things from God; should we not accept evil [can also be translated as adversity]?”, and afterward discuss it with your son. An interesting point might be: If God is all knowing and all powerful, why would he allow evil? He allows evil because it is His pleasure, and also because He is able to make good come of evil.

There’s more areas in can be found in, but that’s certainly one of the most obvious ones.👍
 
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