Self-intinction

[Phemie]

I knew from previous Masses I’d attended that the parish where I went to Mass tonight doesn’t offer Communion under both species. I don’t know whether what I saw tonight is par for the course there and I’ve just had my eyes on my hymnal before or this was something ‘special’ because it’s Ash Wednesday but I saw that the EMHCs were all offered the chalice in which they all intincted their Host. The chalice was offered in a way that made it obvious they were to do this and not take it and drink. Another Parish where Redemptionis Sacramentum has not been implemented.

The Sanctus, the Memorial Acclamation, and Agnus Dei were compositions that didn’t use the words in the Missal. Although the Sanctus was close, the Memorial Acclamation didn’t come close to any of the 4 options in the Missal, in fact it was just weird and included 4 Amens.

 

[TheMc]

I knew from previous Masses I’d attended that the parish where I went to Mass tonight doesn’t offer Communion under both species. I don’t know whether what I saw tonight is par for the course there and I’ve just had my eyes on my hymnal before or this was something ‘special’ because it’s Ash Wednesday but I saw that the EMHCs were all offered the chalice in which they all intincted their Host. The chalice was offered in a way that made it obvious they were to do this and not take it and drink. Another Parish where Redemptionis Sacramentum has not been implemented.

The Sanctus, the Memorial Acclamation, and Agnus Dei were compositions that didn’t use the words in the Missal. Although the Sanctus was close, the Memorial Acclamation didn’t come close to any of the 4 options in the Missal, in fact it was just weird and included 4 Amens.

Please don’t get me started…

 

[thomas_jd]

I knew from previous Masses I’d attended that the parish where I went to Mass tonight doesn’t offer Communion under both species. I don’t know whether what I saw tonight is par for the course there and I’ve just had my eyes on my hymnal before or this was something ‘special’ because it’s Ash Wednesday but I saw that the EMHCs were all offered the chalice in which they all intincted their Host. The chalice was offered in a way that made it obvious they were to do this and not take it and drink. Another Parish where Redemptionis Sacramentum has not been implemented.

The Sanctus, the Memorial Acclamation, and Agnus Dei were compositions that didn’t use the words in the Missal. Although the Sanctus was close, the Memorial Acclamation didn’t come close to any of the 4 options in the Missal, in fact it was just weird and included 4 Amens.

A few months ago another poster from Texas lamented this abuse at her parish.
How widespread has this become?

 

[damooster]

A few months ago another poster from Texas lamented this abuse at her parish.
How widespread has this become?

Are you serious (not trying to be rude)? This mess is everywhere. I’ve seen it here in northern Virginia, supposedly one of the more “orthodox” dioceses in the country.

 

[Phemie]

Are you serious (not trying to be rude)? This mess is everywhere. I’ve seen it here in northern Virginia, supposedly one of the more “orthodox” dioceses in the country.

It was often done in my own parish but with frequent announcements in the bulletin the practice has stopped. I know from experience that in some parishes it was the only “approved” way to receive under both species and you wouldn’t have been allowed to drink from the chalice. Haven’t been there post R.S. so don’t know if the practice has stopped.

 

[nicolep]

Are you serious (not trying to be rude)? This mess is everywhere. I’ve seen it here in northern Virginia, supposedly one of the more “orthodox” dioceses in the country.

While I’m sure it’s widespread, “everywhere” is a stretch. I have never seen it happen anywhere I’ve been to Mass. I’ve been in quite a few cities outside my own. We are a large diocese with some fairly liberal (although I don’t like saying it that way, I can’t think of another way) parishes. I’m referring to self-intinction and not other forms of abuse.

It makes me so sad that particular parishes take such liberty with the Mass. It’s so beautiful without all of these changes. Leave it alone!

 

[TheRealJuliane]

We dont even have the chalice on Good Friday! I thought that was normal???

And our pastor had to clarify that intinction is NOT allowed, I used to see it occasionally but he has since told the EMs not to allow it.

 

[nicolep]

We dont even have the chalice on Good Friday! I thought that was normal???

And our pastor had to clarify that intinction is NOT allowed, I used to see it occasionally but he has since told the EMs not to allow it.

No, there isn’t a chalice on Good Friday. That is a day of the year that none of the sacraments can be celebrated. The Body of Christ is given with hosts previously consecrated that have been reserved in the Tabernacle.

I don’t know if you meant Ash Wednesday though. There’s nothing wrong with having the Precious Blood available or not as long as there aren’t any abuses either way.

 

[benedictgal]

And our pastor had to clarify that intinction is NOT allowed, I used to see it occasionally but he has since told the EMs not to allow it.

Actually, intinction is an acceptable form of distribution of Holy Communion under both species. However, only the bishop/priest can do that. EMHCs cannot distribute Holy Communion via intinction and self-intinction is forbidden.

 

[nannymar]

I knew from previous Masses I’d attended that the parish where I went to Mass tonight doesn’t offer Communion under both species. I don’t know whether what I saw tonight is par for the course there and I’ve just had my eyes on my hymnal before or this was something ‘special’ because it’s Ash Wednesday but I saw that the EMHCs were all offered the chalice in which they all intincted their Host. The chalice was offered in a way that made it obvious they were to do this and not take it and drink. Another Parish where Redemptionis Sacramentum has not been implemented.

The Sanctus, the Memorial Acclamation, and Agnus Dei were compositions that didn’t use the words in the Missal. Although the Sanctus was close, the Memorial Acclamation didn’t come close to any of the 4 options in the Missal, in fact it was just weird and included 4 Amens.

I have never received Communion with a self-instinction. However at the Monastery the priest has a special Communion plate that has the Precious Blood in a cup in the middle of the plate. The priest does the intinction on the Host into the Precious Blood. We, that are receiving Communion, have a plate which we hold under our chin and after receiving pass the plate to the one behind us. That is the only time I have received in this way. Our Parish does not have this and intinction, if someone comes on occassion to us we are obliged to discourage strongly. I,personally, will take the purificator and follow the Host that has been intincted right to the mouth of the communicant. Usually doesn’t happen a second time. As far as your last paragraph, sounds very Protestant to me that is with a small “p”.

 

[Phemie]

I have never received Communion with a self-instinction. However at the Monastery the priest has a special Communion plate that has the Prious Blood in a cup in the middle of the plate. The priest does the intinction on the Host into the Precious Blood. We, that are receiving Communion, have a plate which we hold under our chin and after receiving pass the plate to the one behind us. That is the only time I have received in this way. Our Parish does not have this and intinction, if someone comes on occassion to us we are obliged to discourage strongly. I,personally, will take the purificator and follow the Host that has been intincted right to the mouth of the communicant. Usually doesn’t happen a second time.

The priest intincting the Host is one of the methods the Church has for Communion under both species.

What the Monastery uses is referred to as an ‘intinction set’ in religious article catalogs.

 

[corsair]

Hey, I go to the FSSP as often as I can. I don’t have to worry about garbage such as this. Why would anyone persist in attending Masses where this stuff happens?

 

[Phemie]

Hey, I go to the FSSP as often as I can. I don’t have to worry about garbage such as this. Why would anyone persist in attending Masses where this stuff happens?

Because often that’s the only thing available? EF is only a dream for a great many of us.

 

[Sarahforgiven]

Hello, what is FSSP?
I asked about intinction in RCIA & we were told it was forbidden unless the priest did the intinction. I am converting from the Episcopal church where this was common.

 

[Phemie]

Hello, what is FSSP?
I asked about intinction in RCIA & we were told it was forbidden unless the priest did the intinction. I am converting from the Episcopal church where this was common.

FSSP stands for * Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Petri: *The Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter. They are priests who celebrate the Extraordinary Form of Mass according to the Roman Missal of 1962.

From their website “The mission of the Fraternity is two-fold: first, the formation and sanctification of priests in the cadre of the traditional liturgy of the Roman rite, and secondly, the pastoral deployment of the priests in the service of the Church.”

They gave you the right information about intinction at RCIA. I’ve noticed that it’s common at the local Anglican Parish.

 

[Sarahforgiven]

I so want to work on my Latin
Thanks for the reference

 

[Senecus]

In a few months of scanning these CA forums, I’ve read more than a couple threads about the topics surrounding communion (receiving both wine/blood & bread/flesh). CA members get pretty worked up over various related issues - - is it right or not, etc, etc.

I wonder if the Catholic Church has ever evaluated the standard mechanism used by most Protestant Churches in distributing the wine/blood . . . via special high quality round host trays, containing individual pre-filled (unconsecrated) thumbnail size glasses? This could be a practical solution to offering both kinds as instructed in Scripture.

I know this sounds different, maybe radical, but if anyone here has ever seen it practiced in a large Lutheran or Episcopal Church, you’d be impressed by how well it works. Of course, the Priest would have to do the consecration slightly different (holding his hands over the stacked trays) . . . . anyway . . . . . just thought I’d mention it . . . . food for thought

 

[Phemie]

In a few months of scanning these CA forums, I’ve read more than a couple threads about the topics surrounding communion (receiving both wine/blood & bread/flesh). CA members get pretty worked up over various related issues - - is it right or not, yada yada yada.

I wonder if the Catholic Church has ever evaluated the standard mechanism used by most Protestant Churches in distributing the wine/blood . . . via special high quality round host trays, containing individual pre-filled (unconsecrated) thumbnail size glasses? This could be a practical solution to offering both kinds as instructed in Scripture.

I know this sounds different, maybe radical, but if anyone here has ever seen it practiced in a large Lutheran or Episcopal Church, you’d be impressed by how well it works. Of course, the Priest would have to do the consecration slightly different (holding his hands over the stacked trays) . . . . anyway . . . . . just thought I’d mention it . . . . food for thought

How is that more practical than a common cup? Especially since we don’t need to offer the Precious Blood to receive Communion. Of course the most practical way to offer Communion under both kinds is by intinction and Communion on the tongue. I remember a priest teaching a class on Liturgy saying that in Canada, because it’s up to the communicant whether to receive on the tongue or in the hand, intinction is not used because it removes the choice. IIRC, Redemptionis Sacramentum took care of that argument.

 

[Sarahforgiven]

In a few months of scanning these CA forums, I’ve read more than a couple threads about the topics surrounding communion (receiving both wine/blood & bread/flesh). CA members get pretty worked up over various related issues - - is it right or not, etc, etc.

I wonder if the Catholic Church has ever evaluated the standard mechanism used by most Protestant Churches in distributing the wine/blood . . . via special high quality round host trays, containing individual pre-filled (unconsecrated) thumbnail size glasses? This could be a practical solution to offering both kinds as instructed in Scripture.

I know this sounds different, maybe radical, but if anyone here has ever seen it practiced in a large Lutheran or Episcopal Church, you’d be impressed by how well it works. Of course, the Priest would have to do the consecration slightly different (holding his hands over the stacked trays) . . . . anyway . . . . . just thought I’d mention it . . . . food for thought

 

[Senecus]

Phemie,

The method of using individual glasses versus a common chalice is mainly one of efficiency and sanitation. It is faster, and certainly more hygenic. A distribution to about 400 or so of the faithful can be done in 10 minutes or abouts.

Also, you’re right about not having to offer both kinds. Perhaps someday, the Church will offer more choice on that , and then this provides a way to do it . . . . many theologians have always felt Christ intended for both kinds to be offered as the standard practice.