Self-ministered intinction?

[ASimpleSinner]

Not a problem in our church in Northern VA as the blood of Christ is not offered.

More accurately, your parish does not offer the Eucharistic species under the appearance of wine…

The smallest “crumb” under the appearance of the host, or the smallest drop “under” the appearance of wine could be said to include the Body, Blood, Soul & Divinity of Christ.

Sadly, double form communion has lead some people to thinking it is “incomplete” if they don’t recieve under both elements. In fact it is wholly complete under the tiniest amount of either.

 

[Karl_M]

I had a ton of people go to “dip” one time when I was EMHC at a funeral. My EMHC training had prepared me to be ready for it. I just tell people that “we don’t do that here.” All but one lady took it OK.

When I told the Deacon about it, he had a couple of thoughts. Apparently, back in the 70’s, self-intinction was a valid option (at least everyone was told it was). He figured if people hadn’t gone to church in 30 years, they would think its OK.

But since I had a bunch of people at once, he also surmised that they are friends and family and they likely attend a parish where “dipping” is commonplace.

I agree that the EMHC was asleep at the switch. I was trained to watch people as they come up for the cup-make sure they consume the Host. If they have it in their hand, something is going on that you need to deal with. Of course, if a line builds up, you might not see it till its too late.

 

[Phemie]

When I told the Deacon about it, he had a couple of thoughts. Apparently, back in the 70’s, self-intinction was a valid option (at least everyone was told it was). He figured if people hadn’t gone to church in 30 years, they would think its OK.

Forget the 70s, I was in parishes in the 90s where self intinction was the only way to receive under both species. Them were the rules. Yes it was wrong, but that’s what the parishioners had been taught was proper.

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

I did not make FHC till I was 13 ( my parents divorced when I was 4 and I did not come back to the Church till old enough on my own). This was In 1979 we were told that the Body of Christ ( host ) was not a cookie and the the Precious Blood ( wine ) was not milk therefore no dunking.

 

[lizaanne]

It’s not allowed but I can tell you that for many it’s their parishes’ only way of offering the Precious Blood and they don’t know any better. We’ve tried hard to put a stop to it in our parish, with announcement from the ambo and in the bulletin, but it’s not unusual to have people who are visiting do exactly what your wife witnessed.

Then stop offering the cup. They will get the message when they ask why it’s not there and they are told it is because some don’t follow instructions and feel they can go against the rules.

If children can’t play nice with their toys, you take them away. I see no difference here. They still receive the Body Blood Soul Divinity of Jesus Christ in only the Host. If they can’t do it right, don’t offer it. Quite simple actually.

~Liza

 

[stbruno]

I have had one or two persons who will take the host to self-intinct and I immediately cover the cup and quickly say that is not allowed. Afterwards, if they have remained long enough after mass , I will elaborate on why they could not receive this way and the proper way of receiving the body and blood. More reasons to pray.

 

[hilde_the_dog]

Lizanne I concur. If you correct them and they persist, take it away.

 

[GingyBingly]

Self-ministered intinction should absolutely be allowed. In our church more than half of the people skip the wine completely for fear of germs. Self-ministered intinction would allow more people to safely receive the sacrement.

 

[Phemie]

Self-ministered intinction should absolutely be allowed. In our church more than half of the people skip the wine completely for fear of germs. Self-ministered intinction would allow more people to safely receive the sacrement.

They’ve already received the sacrament if they received the Host. Repeat after me: “We receive Jesus completely, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity, when we receive the Host. Receiving from the Chalice doesn’t give us more Jesus.”

If people don’t want to drink from the Chalice they don’t have to, they’re not missing out on anything.

 

[puzzleannie]

I see a lot of different “events” during distribution of Holy Communion. I often struggle to understand whether the person has a real, legitimate belief/reason for doing what they do, or if they’re just trying to make a statement/point.

90% of the time people in the pews do what they do because somewhere along the line some priest has instructed them to do so. Self-intinction was the practice in a new parish we joined when we moved back to Ohio. The priest even explained why it was preferred (he thought it was better, cleaner, faster and neater than individuals drinking from the common cup). The new bishop came in and gave clear directives about this and alot of other abuses in the dioceses (churches w/o kneelers, first communion w/o 1st confession , women giving homilies, etc) which leads me to believe the former bishop had encouraged or at least not objected to such practices. Our pastor immediately instituted the changes, instructed the whole parish and specifically the EMHCs on the reasons for the disciplines and corrections.

We started going to another parish closer to the grandkids–and their old pastor was still using the old, wrongful practices, and those parishioners insisted they were correct. Bad teaching leads to bad practice.

This goes for hand waving and holding and all the other nuevo gestures as well.

down here there were 2-3 priests heavily into dramatic worship gestures, and any newcomer can indentify the parishes where they have served (they are now all retired or dead) by the number of older parishioners in those churches who still hold up their hands and mimic the priest’s gestures, even the song books still in use.

 

[benedictgal]

Self-ministered intinction should absolutely be allowed. In our church more than half of the people skip the wine completely for fear of germs. Self-ministered intinction would allow more people to safely receive the sacrement.

Unfortunately, with all due respect, the Church does not share your opinion. Please note what Redemptionis Sacramentum says:

[104.] The communicant must not be permitted to intinct the host himself in the chalice, nor to receive the intincted host in the hand.

Furthermore, it is not “wine”; it is the Precious Blood. Incidentally, the CDC did not cite receiving from the chalice to be a severe health hazard.