Seminary

[Churchman25]

When it comes to preparation of gifts at mass how would up and coming priests at seminary practice this so they get it right every time at mass once thet become priests??

 

[Tarpeian_Rock]

When it comes to preparation of gifts at mass how would up and coming priests at seminary practice this so they get it right every time at mass once thet become priests??

Surely, by practicing it with hosts, wine, water, and a chalice before they are ordained. They need to learn all of the gestures and positions for Mass while they are at seminary.

 

[Dempsey1919]

What do you mean by preparation of gifts?

Since this is the traditional Catholicism sub-forum, I’ll assume you’re talking about the Traditional Mass. In the EF, the sacristan or the server dresses the chalice. I’ll describe how I do it. Always wear white gloves because laymen aren’t allowed to touch the sacred vessels with their unconsecrated hands. Take the chalice and drape a purificator over the top. Place the paten on the top of the purificator. Place a large host on top of the paten. Place the chalice pall on top of the paten and host. Then take the chalice veil and drape it over the pall and entire chalice. Finally, the burse goes on top of the chalice.

Regarding the cruets, they’re filled with wine and water. When serving the Mass alone, the wine cruet is placed on the right hand side of the credence table. When two people serve Mass, the wine cruet is placed on the left hand side. A lavabo towel is placed over the top of both cruets. Some priests like to use a scruple spoon for the water since too much water in the chalice can render the matter void. Father Z says the maximum amount of water allowed is 1/5th. If a scruple spoon is used, place it in the water cruet.

During the offertory, you give the priest the cruet with your right hand and receive it back with your left hand.

Lastly, each priest usually has his own Mass linens and you’ll use these when dressing the chalice and preparing the cruets.

That’s all there is to preparing ‘gifts’ at the EF Mass. The OF Mass doesn’t require the same level of formality - at least in my locality.

 

[Churchman25]

How would you practice consecrating a host without actually consecrating it?

I thought that consecrating a host outside of mass was a huge no no, although I could be wrong.

 

[edward_george]

How would you practice consecrating a host without actually consecrating it?

I thought that consecrating a host outside of mass was a huge no no, although I could be wrong.

Well, if you’re not a priest, you can’t consecrate anything. We practiced Mass by saying the words of the Mass. We knew we weren’t actually consecrating. At my seminary we usually used actual altar bread, but no wine. Some guys would skip the words of consecration so that the first time they said them it would be during their first Mass. But most of us didn’t. Again, you can’t consecrate if you’re not a priest. We were practicing to learn the liturgy, so it wasn’t irreverent. The intention was learning.

-Fr ACEGC

 

[Don_Ruggero]

Since this is the traditional Catholicism sub-forum, I’ll assume you’re talking about the Traditional Mass.

Why would you make such a presumption? The moderators chose, very deliberately, that this sub-forum has a much broader range of discussion than the liturgies of the vetus ordo.

What you describe has nothing to do with the poster’s actual question: concerning a seminarian’s formation to be able to offer the Eucharist according to the established rite.

 

[Don_Ruggero]

When it comes to preparation of gifts at mass how would up and coming priests at seminary practice this so they get it right every time at mass once thet become priests??

In addition to what Father Edward George has said, which is of course quite true, seminarians in their programmes of formation will have many exposures via lectures and analysis of the rubrics academically as well as living the liturgy intensely in the seminary.

What is more, as seminarians, they will be participating in the various liturgies in the diocese where the Masters of Ceremonies will tutor them and mentor them on the various practical points.

They will have various assignments in different parishes where the priests will also help them in the context of liturgies they experience and participate in there.

I would, for example, take in rotation a seminarian or two with me on my hospital rounds, to see what happens in its actual lived context what they were studying relative to pastoral care of the sick and dying as well as the sacrament of the sick; the seminarian could follow up with questions and be mentored by the experience, looking toward when he was ordained. And, of course, as a seminarian, he would take his own rotations of bringing the Eucharist to the sick in hospital and in home-bound situations as an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion. These were a practicum for what he was learning in the classroom.

The seminarian, in the liturgy, will progressive fulfil the ministries of lector and acolyte and deacon and will demonstrate progressively to his formators his competence in all aspects of the liturgy prior to his ordination to the priesthood.

 

[Dempsey1919]

Why would you make such a presumption? The moderators chose, very deliberately, that this sub-forum has a much broader range of discussion than the liturgies of the vetus ordo.

What you describe has nothing to do with the poster’s actual question: concerning a seminarian’s formation to be able to offer the Eucharist according to the established rite.

It’s a reasonable and logical presumption to make. The name Traditional Catholicism implies the Traditional Rite. But thanks for clarifying.

Regarding what I’ve written. My first sentence was a query about the OP’s question. My response might not answer the actual question, but I’m sure someone will benefit by it. Traditional seminarians serve Mass while in seminary and they’ll have to learn how to dress chalice and how to position and handle the cruets. It might not be necessary in the “established rite” but it is in the “Mass of the Ages.”

 

[DignumEtJustum]

It’s a reasonable and logical presumption to make. The name Traditional Catholicism implies the Traditional Rite.

The description of the forum is “Discussion of Catholic traditions and customs.” Liturgical questions, regardless of the Rite, are better suited to the Liturgy and Sacraments forum.

“Traditional Catholicism” can be a subjective term in a time with “Charismatic” and “Life Teen” Masses. A girl around my age I was once speaking to referred to a book (Glory & Praise II?) containing St. Louis Jesuit pieces and the likes as “traditional” hymns. I was momentarily speechless.

 

[DignumEtJustum]

The seminarian, in the liturgy, will progressive fulfil the ministries of lector and acolyte and deacon and will demonstrate progressively to his formators his competence in all aspects of the liturgy prior to his ordination to the priesthood.

What roles would seminarians with the Minor Orders of Exorcist and Porter have fulfilled in the Liturgy?

 

[Don_Ruggero]

The description of the forum is “Discussion of Catholic traditions and customs.” Liturgical questions, regardless of the Rite, are better suited to the Liturgy and Sacraments forum.

That has not, however, been what the moderators have decided and enacted.

That which is associated with the vetus ordo was assigned here but, some years ago, the moderator of this sub-forum delimited the discussions that were permitted concerning the vetus ordo and broadened the sub-forum to other topics, broadly under the banner of Catholic traditions and customs.

In the same way, discussions for example of the Holy Qurbana are routed to Eastern Catholicism and not to the Liturgy and Sacraments sub-forum, which does however welcome discussions of the Church’s non-Roman western liturgies.

 

[Dempsey1919]

Don Ruggero:

That which is associated with the vetus ordo was assigned here but, some years ago, the moderator of this sub-forum delimited the discussions that were permitted concerning the vetus ordo and broadened the sub-forum to other topics, broadly under the banner of Catholic traditions and customs.

I should read forum rules. I hadn’t visited for a long time and I noticed differences. I thought it was strange to see threads about ‘rainbows’ in the Traditional Catholicism forum. When I first joined, the TC forum used to be about very specific issues relating to traditional Catholicism such as the indult, the FSSP, the SSPX, Modernism etc. It was better then, but I respect the decision of the moderators.