Sen. Kerry Says Language Used by Both Sides in Abortion-Rights Debate Often 'Misleadi

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This is just bonkers. Talk about a man who has publicly blasphemed the Madonna and her Christ. And shows no shame in doing so. He has the devil as his father! That’s the fact of the matter. Like Judas before him, made his pledge of allegiance to the culture of death! He ‘challenges’ the Church to accept the rediculous document called “primacy of consience”. Nonsense. Many of our Bishops have refused to deny Kerry communion. And the shameful silence of so many of our Bishops. Kerry doesn’t recognize abortion as a violation of human rights. Abortion is murder. Pure and simple. This man ought to be in jail for his henious crimes. How can this man be defiant towards Rome and still pass himself off as Catholic? Which to me is intellectual dishonesty. He should be forbidden to use the label Catholic if he’s going to defy the Church and God himself. Using the label Catholic and being pro-choice is moral relativism. I blame Frued, Neizschte and Marx for this and they carry much of the blame. Our world is anti-God, anti-Church and anti-Gospel. From where I sit, the lack of leadership in the Catholic Church’s heirarchy and in our State government officials have led us into this big predicament. If abortion is not stopped the greatest chastisement ever known to man will occur.

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Typical of what passes for compromise on the Left. Abortion has to remain legal and funded by the taxpayers up until the moment the child’s head fully exits the womb BUT we’ll spend a lot more money on programs that really dint work to act like we want to cut the number of abortions. kinda like Hitler compromising and says Well i shut down Auschwitz but Treblinka has to stay open"
 
Abortion is not a political issue, it’s murder. When is it going to be the day that Republicans and Democrats stop betraying the babies?
 
estesbob said:
Typical of what passes for compromise on the Left. Abortion has to remain legal and funded by the taxpayers up until the moment the child’s head fully exits the womb BUT we’ll spend a lot more money on programs that really dint work to act like we want to cut the number of abortions. kinda like Hitler compromising and says Well i shut down Auschwitz but Treblinka has to stay open"
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I suggest you guys not to become women. Or Jews either.
 
I think a very public ex-communication of John Kerry would open a lot of eyes of the pro-abortionists.
 
Kerry after the speech said he is aiming to push advocates on both sides of the abortion rights debate to “be more honest about the complexity of the moral decision here” and understand the genuineness of one another’s convictions
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Huh??? And how can HE understand the “complexity of the moral decision” when he obviously doesn’t KNOW what it is himself! When you don’t understand the basic concept of what a baby is at any stage and respect it, then how in the world can you be expected to apply morals to it? And here is he telling those of us that are opposed to abortion that we have to be more honest? I’m am baffled!

And WHAT common ground are you ever going to get between someone that is a pro-abort versus someone that is pro-life? There isn’t common ground. This is obviously a statement made by someone that doens’t know what he wants and in my opinion, I wish he’d get a public excommunication so he wouldn’t be able to call himself a Catholic.

He makes me so foot stompin’ mad :mad: :mad:
 
Mike_Dye said:
Can you possibly give a reply that is less understandable?
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Basically, lots of folks find it easy to condemn actions that they disapprove of but whose lives they will never face. The chances of a man getting an abortion are very low. And the chance of a conservative christian man being stuffed into an oven by Nazis are also pretty low in 2006 the United States.

I think it’s called cheap grace. Very easy to jump on a moral high horse when you don’t have to face consequences. Of course you can argue a devout man will carry his pregnancy to term. Of course men cannot be pregnant. Therefore, aren’t you glad you are not a women. Pass judgement and walk away.And grab yr halo on the way out.

And I understand people of the Jewish faith were herded into trains, transported to death camps, and exterminated like lice by gas, guns, live burial, burned alive, etc. from 1935-1945. A reference to the Holocaust means that you think other people are subjected to industrialized mass murder. And many Jews in the US had relatives murdered by Nazis. Aren’t you glad you’re not a Jew. And can drop Holocaust references right and left. No one you knew or loved get stuffed into an oven.

I think that folks enjoy making snap judgements about people they don’t know and don’t want to know…
 
MikeinSD said:
Basically, lots of folks find it easy to condemn actions that they disapprove of but whose lives they will never face. The chances of a man getting an abortion are very low. And the chance of a conservative christian man being stuffed into an oven by Nazis are also pretty low in 2006 the United States.

I think it’s called cheap grace. Very easy to jump on a moral high horse when you don’t have to face consequences. Of course you can argue a devout man will carry his pregnancy to term. Of course men cannot be pregnant. Therefore, aren’t you glad you are not a women. Pass judgement and walk away.And grab yr halo on the way out.

And I understand people of the Jewish faith were herded into trains, transported to death camps, and exterminated like lice by gas, guns, live burial, burned alive, etc. from 1935-1945. A reference to the Holocaust means that you think other people are subjected to industrialized mass murder. And many Jews in the US had relatives murdered by Nazis. Aren’t you glad you’re not a Jew. And can drop Holocaust references right and left. No one you knew or loved get stuffed into an oven.

I think that folks enjoy making snap judgements about people they don’t know and don’t want to know…
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Perhaps you don’t recognize abortion as a violation of human rights.
 
MikeinSD said:
Basically, lots of folks find it easy to condemn actions that they disapprove of but whose lives they will never face.
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The Church condemns these actions. The faithful affirm what the Church teaches.
MikeinSD said:
The chances of a man getting an abortion are very low. And the chance of a conservative christian man being stuffed into an oven by Nazis are also pretty low in 2006 the United States.
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This is so amazingly asinine that barely merits this much of a reply.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
I agree with Kerry, insofar that misleading information IS used on both sides of the debate. Doesn’t stop me from participating in it (the debate) though.

For example, on the pro-life side, NOTHING can justify killing abortion doctors - yet it happens and people on our side use language to justify it.

On the pro-choice side, they will deliberately obfuscate the effects of abortion in order to get their message across.
 
MikeinSD said:
Basically, lots of folks find it easy to condemn actions that they disapprove of but whose lives they will never face. The chances of a man getting an abortion are very low. And the chance of a conservative christian man being stuffed into an oven by Nazis are also pretty low in 2006 the United States.
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Fallacy. By this logic only someone who has committed murder can sit on the jury of a murder trial. That good news is that correct moral reasoning does not require direct experience of the wrongdoing in question.
I think it’s called cheap grace. Very easy to jump on a moral high horse when you don’t have to face consequences.
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We all have crosses to bear. It does not follow that one can only authoritatively speak about the crosses they will likely have to bear.
Of course you can argue a devout man will carry his pregnancy to term. Of course men cannot be pregnant. Therefore, aren’t you glad you are not a women. Pass judgement and walk away.And grab yr halo on the way out.
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The Truth must be told to everyone, regardless of where it comes from. By the way, I am sure I can rally plenty of women to condemn abortion.
And I understand people of the Jewish faith were herded into trains, transported to death camps, and exterminated like lice by gas, guns, live burial, burned alive, etc. from 1935-1945. A reference to the Holocaust means that you think other people are subjected to industrialized mass murder. And many Jews in the US had relatives murdered by Nazis. Aren’t you glad you’re not a Jew. And can drop Holocaust references right and left. No one you knew or loved get stuffed into an oven.
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Irrelavent. The analogy is either valid or invalid. If invalid, make an actual argument why not.
I think that folks enjoy making snap judgements about people they don’t know and don’t want to know…
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Demonstrate with rational argument.
 
This whole “I can’t force my morality on anyone else” thing is so bogus. “His morality” also opposes theft, rape, murder.
 
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“I think it’s called cheap grace. Very easy to jump on a moral high horse when you don’t have to face consequences.”

We all have crosses to bear. It does not follow that one can only authoritatively speak about the crosses they will likely have to bear.

But it is so much more fun talking about the sins of other people. Perhaps you can explain the lack of posts here about role of money in the lives of good Christians. I live the US. And the culture here is saturated with the pursuit of dry goods. The practicing Christians I talk to all have problems trying to be a Christian, a parent, and living their faith and raising their kids in a culture that tells them that having an SUV and a 3000 sq ft house will make them happy. I guess that is not a cross you bear. Do tell us yr solution.

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“And I understand people of the Jewish faith were herded into trains, transported to death camps, and exterminated like lice by gas, guns, live burial, burned alive, etc. from 1935-1945. A reference to the Holocaust means that you think other people are subjected to industrialized mass murder. And many Jews in the US had relatives murdered by Nazis. Aren’t you glad you’re not a Jew. And can drop Holocaust references right and left. No one you knew or loved get stuffed into an oven.”

Irrelavent. The analogy is either valid or invalid. If invalid, make an actual argument why not.

So it is govenment policy that pregnant women in the US can be denounced by greedy neighbors, forced into abortion clinics, undergo abortions against their will, and murdered if they disagree with this government policy. Pro-life Christians face arrest, being transported to death camps, stuffed into gas chambers, and their bodies stripped of hair and gold dental fillings and burned.

Yes, the Holocaust analogy is wrong. And decent people do not make that argument.

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“I think that folks enjoy making snap judgements about people they don’t know and don’t want to know…”

Demonstrate with rational argument.

In 1981, I came out as a gay man. Just in time for AIDS. I was in my early 20s and suddenly guys were dying around me. I volunteered to help. I washed sheets stained with liquid feces, vomit and urine for bed bound AIDS vicitms. Spent lots of time visiting hospitals. Cooking for men abandoned by their friends and family. You god-fearing folks were pretty scarce on the ground. Some Quakers, some Episcoplians, that was about it. I heard from lots from smug Christians that the wages of sin are death. But no help of course. Us gay guys created an entire infrastructure to care for folks living with AIDS by 1986. Now, 25 years later, it is religiously correct to be concerned about people dying from AIDS. Okay. Thanks for the (belated) concern.

Perhaps you should consider studying what Jesus said and did. Let me know what Jesus said about how important he considered cash flow.
 
tom.wineman said:
And from the expert of misleading language, John Kerry !
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Didn’t Kerry say that he believes life begins at conception but that he couldn’t pose his judgements on others. This is pure madness. In effect, he is saying this: Life begins at conception so I acknowledge that abortion is the taking of that innocent life but I can’t speak for or judge others who decide to kill that innocent life. With that kind of reasoning, I’m surprised that he got that many votes in 2004. He definitely should not receive communion because he has publically proclaimed his pro-abortion stance.
 
MikeinSD said:
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“And I understand people of the Jewish faith were herded into trains, transported to death camps, and exterminated like lice by gas, guns, live burial, burned alive, etc. from 1935-1945. A reference to the Holocaust means that you think other people are subjected to industrialized mass murder. And many Jews in the US had relatives murdered by Nazis. Aren’t you glad you’re not a Jew. And can drop Holocaust references right and left. No one you knew or loved get stuffed into an oven.”

Irrelavent. The analogy is either valid or invalid. If invalid, make an actual argument why not.

So it is govenment policy that pregnant women in the US can be denounced by greedy neighbors, forced into abortion clinics, undergo abortions against their will, and murdered if they disagree with this government policy. Pro-life Christians face arrest, being transported to death camps, stuffed into gas chambers, and their bodies stripped of hair and gold dental fillings and burned.

Yes, the Holocaust analogy is wrong. And decent people do not make that argument.
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That’s just stupid. You need to be straightened out.

Abortion and Holocaust deniers
Question from on 02-02-2006: I’m shocked the Anti-Defamation League would do something this horrible. They stated that comparing abortion to the holocaust is “throws fire on the ramp”. Since when is telling the truth firing up the ramp? I don’t think so. Furthermore it states that “In the noisy debate over abortion, as with other issues at the forefront of our national discussion, each time an outspoken activist, such as March for Life’s Nellie Gray, accuses her opponents of “crimes against humanity” worthy of the Nuremburg trials, something closer to truth is lost in the process”. When are we pro-lifers making quote “noise”. Apparently they think we pro-lifers are a bunch of noise makers. Liberal bullwash. “With Holocaust survivors ever diminishing in numbers, and with some world leaders still attempting to paint the Holocaust as fiction, we need to adopt a more civil tone in our national dialogue that rejects false comparisons to genocide”. Abortion is a false comparison to genocide? Please. How clueless are these people. Lord, don’t hold this sin against them.
Thanks for all you do Judie.

Answer by Judie Brown on 02-03-2006: Dear Nick
The January 24 letter to the editor of the New York times, written by the ADL, actually says in part:
“While Holocaust analogies throw fuel on the fire and ramp up the rhetoric of the debate over abortion, they do little in the service of truth, history or memory. In the noisy debate over abortion, as with other issues at the forefront of our national discussion, each time an outspoken activist, such as March for Life’s Nellie Gray, accuses her opponents of “crimes against humanity” worthy of the Nuremburg trials, something closer to truth is lost in the process.”
First, the writer clearly does not believe that abortion is an act of murder; second the writer has relegated abortion to an “issue” rather than the clear violation of human rights that it is.
These people are not clueless; they are simply in denial. Once the truth confronts them and they accept it, they will cease their war of words against pro-life Americans. Until then they deserve and need our prayers.
Judie Brown

Think about it.
 
He is quite right that abortion language is often misleading but more often than not it is the Democrats and liberals who use the misleading language.
 
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