Senate Rejects Providing Health Care for Unborn Children

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Washington, DC – During the Bush administration, President Bush displayed his concern for both mother and unborn child by putting an administrative rule in place allowing states to cover unborn children in the SCHIP program. On Thursday, the Senate rejected an amendment to make that administrative rule national law.

Sen. Orrin Hatch sponsored the amendment to codify the Unborn Child Rule and the Senate rejected his motion on a 59 to 39 vote.

Full story and vote totals at:

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Washington, DC – During the Bush administration, President Bush displayed his concern for both mother and unborn child by putting an administrative rule in place allowing states to cover unborn children in the SCHIP program. On Thursday, the Senate rejected an amendment to make that administrative rule national law.

Sen. Orrin Hatch sponsored the amendment to codify the Unborn Child Rule and the Senate rejected his motion on a 59 to 39 vote.

Full story and vote totals at:

LifeNews.com/nat4802.html
We need to get rid of SCHIP. It is good that unborn children aren’t covered. Nobody should be covered. This is socialism and it leads to godlessness. John Paul II warned us of the crippling effects socialism can have on society in Centesimus Annus (para 48).
 
We need to get rid of SCHIP. It is good that unborn children aren’t covered. Nobody should be covered. This is socialism and it leads to godlessness. John Paul II warned us of the crippling effects socialism can have on society in Centesimus Annus (para 48).
My daughter would’ve died from sickle-cell complications long ago were it not for SCHIP. This is not socialism any more than Medicare is. My other children are on my employer’s plan, but special needs kids need SCHIP, or parents like me spend a lifetime just paying medical bills averaging $8,000 for every hospital stay. I suppose comments like yours come from people who would tell me that if I have to work two full-time jobs to pay for medical care, then I should, even if I’m only at home to sleep. I will when I have to, but you can’t claim that SCHIP is unnecessary. Do you have a better idea?
 
My daughter would’ve died from sickle-cell complications long ago were it not for SCHIP. This is not socialism any more than Medicare is. My other children are on my employer’s plan, but special needs kids need SCHIP, or parents like me spend a lifetime just paying medical bills averaging $8,000 for every hospital stay. I suppose comments like yours come from people who would tell me that if I have to work two full-time jobs to pay for medical care, then I should, even if I’m only at home to sleep. I will when I have to, but you can’t claim that SCHIP is unnecessary. Do you have a better idea?
Sure - work two jobs. Were it not for SCHIP and other forms of socialism then maybe the $8k per visit wouldn’t be so burdensome.
 
Sure - work two jobs. Were it not for SCHIP and other forms of socialism then maybe the $8k per visit wouldn’t be so burdensome.
Right… and the rest of it? Who cares about what else happens to my family. It’s my fault because I’m not rich and I should never have married a woman with a sick child. Do you seriously think I’m taking advantage of the system? Do you think I’m someone who expects a handout for nothing? Would you be okay if the system was only for handicapped children? Have you ever seen what sickle-cell anemia does to a child? For the record, I could have all my kids on the program, but I don’t. I’m not going to call for the impeachment of someone who stops SCHIP because we can’t afford it anymore, but as long as it’s there, my daughter has a chance for an almost-normal life. What would you do if you were me?
 
Right… and the rest of it? Who cares about what else happens to my family. It’s my fault because I’m not rich and I should never have married a woman with a sick child. Do you seriously think I’m taking advantage of the system? Do you think I’m someone who expects a handout for nothing? Would you be okay if the system was only for handicapped children? Have you ever seen what sickle-cell anemia does to a child? For the record, I could have all my kids on the program, but I don’t. I’m not going to call for the impeachment of someone who stops SCHIP because we can’t afford it anymore, but as long as it’s there, my daughter has a chance for an almost-normal life. What would you do if you were me?
I would take advantage of every government program available - and at the same time convince everyone that they need to get rid of them.

SCHIP is a burden on society. Can anyone find any Papal quote or official Vatican document endorsing the concept of socialized medicine?

I will check my CCC and see what it says about this.
 
I would take advantage of every government program available - and at the same time convince everyone that they need to get rid of them.

SCHIP is a burden on society. Can anyone find any Papal quote or official Vatican document endorsing the concept of socialized medicine?

I will check my CCC and see what it says about this.
Nice try, but you didn’t answer my question. Also, you won’t find anything in the CCC, or anywhere else. If the Vatican had a problem with SCHIP, don’t you think they would have said something about the full take-over of social medicine in Europe in the last 15 years? I know what you’re referring to. JPII once said that democratic capitalism is the best form of government in society because it is the only one that allows a poor person to become wealthy. Shortly after that, the Soviets withdrew from Poland. That’s about all you’re going to find.
 
SCHIP is on its way to being signed. It will expand the dollar limit to $85,000 and add immigrants who have just arrived here - taking out the 5 year waiting period.

Just more government expansion.

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The U.S. Senate expanded the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, known as S-CHIP, on Jan. 29, the Washington Post reported. The program will now allow states to cover pregnant immigrants and fund insurance for an additional 4 million children across the country by 2013. Currently, legal immigrants are barred from receiving government-subsidized health coverage for five years after entering the United States.
The S-CHIP expansion was twice vetoed by President Bush. The new bill has already passed the House and President Obama is expected to sign it. The expansion will be funded by raising the cigarette tax from 39 cents a pack to $1.
The Senate also voted to reject an amendment that would have reinstated the so-called global gag rule as part of the new reauthorization and expansion of S-CHIP, the Associated Press reported Jan. 29. Last week, President Obama reversed the policy, which banned federal funding to international family planning groups that provide abortion services or information about abortions. The amendment was defeated 60-37. is on its way to be signed
 
Nice try, but you didn’t answer my question. Also, you won’t find anything in the CCC, or anywhere else. If the Vatican had a problem with SCHIP, don’t you think they would have said something about the full take-over of social medicine in Europe in the last 15 years? I know what you’re referring to. JPII once said that democratic capitalism is the best form of government in society because it is the only one that allows a poor person to become wealthy. Shortly after that, the Soviets withdrew from Poland. That’s about all you’re going to find.
That is not all:
Centesimus Annus Pra 48 condemns the government welfare state:
48. These general observations also apply to the role of the State in the economic sector. Economic activity, especially the activity of a market economy, cannot be conducted in an institutional, juridical or political vacuum. On the contrary, it presupposes sure guarantees of individual freedom and private property, as well as a stable currency and efficient public services. Hence the principal task of the State is to guarantee this security, so that those who work and produce can enjoy the fruits of their labors and thus feel encouraged to work efficiently and honestly. The absence of stability, together with the corruption of public officials and the spread of improper sources of growing rich and of easy profits deriving from illegal or purely speculative activities, constitutes one of the chief obstacles to development and to the economic order.

Another task of the State is that of overseeing and directing the exercise of human rights in the economic sector. However, primary responsibility in this area belongs not to the State but to individuals and to the various groups and associations which make up society. The State could not directly ensure the right to work for all its citizens unless it controlled every aspect of economic life and restricted the free initiative of individuals. This does not mean, however, that the State has no competence in this domain, as was claimed by those who argued against any rules in the economic sphere. Rather, the State has a duty to sustain business activities by creating conditions which will ensure job opportunities, by stimulating those activities where they are lacking or by supporting them in moments of crisis.

The State has the further right to intervene when particular monopolies create delays or obstacles to development. In addition to the tasks of harmonizing and guiding development, in exceptional circumstances the State can also exercise a substitute function, when social sectors or business systems are too weak or are just getting under way, and are not equal to the task at hand. Such supplementary interventions, which are justified by urgent reasons touching the common good, must be as brief as possible, so as to avoid removing permanently from society and business systems the functions which are properly theirs, and so as to avoid enlarging excessively the sphere of state intervention to the detriment of both economic and civil freedom.

In recent years the range of such intervention has vastly expanded, to the point of creating a new type of state, the so-called “Welfare State.” This has happened in some countries in order to respond better to many needs and demands, by remedying forms of poverty and deprivation unworthy of the human person. However, excesses and abuses, especially in recent years, have provoked very harsh criticisms of the Welfare State, dubbed the “Social Assistance State.” Malfunctions and defects in the Social Assistance State are the result of an inadequate understanding of the tasks proper to the State. Here again the principle of subsidiarity must be respected: a community of a higher order should not interfere in the internal life of a community of a lower order, depriving the latter of its functions, but rather should support it in case of need and help to coordinate its activity with the activities of the rest of society, always with a view to the common good.[100]

By intervening directly and depriving society of its responsibility, the Social Assistance State leads to a loss of human energies and an inordinate increase of public agencies, which are dominated more by bureaucratic ways of thinking than by concern for serving their clients, and which are accompanied by an enormous increase in spending. In fact, it would appear that needs are best understood and satisfied by people who are closest to them and who act as neighbors to those in need. It should be added that certain kinds of demands often call for a response which is not simply material but which is capable of perceiving the deeper human need. One thinks of the condition of refugees, immigrants, the elderly, the sick, and all those in circumstances which call for assistance, such as drug abusers: all these people can be helped effectively only by those who offer them genuine fraternal support, in addition to the necessary care.
 
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