Separated, divorced, annulled?

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Just a quick update. I’ve figured out that my husband has not been to counseling in over a month. I have a note in to the counselor to see if he has another appointment scheduled in the near-term. His attending counseling is one of my conditions for staying. It’s starting to look like he’s bailed on another counselor. I have an appointment with my priest tomorrow to ask for his assistance in making my next move. I struggle greatly with the concept of the divorce, although, I logically realize that is the best course for the children and me. Anyway, I’m nervous about the meeting. I would greatly appreciate your prayers tomorrow.
 
Another male here and its going on 4 years that we’ve been divorced and I am loving my new found independance!

We were angry for about 2 months after, and have talked on and off since then and are friends. It also made me feel ***Grrrrrreat! ***one day when she admitted she was 85% responsible for the problems. Thats all I wanted to hear, that even though it takes two in a marriage, usually when one busts up, one person is more responsible than the other for the bust up and I knew in heart it wasnt my fault even though she initially wouldnt admit it. Many of our problems were the classic cliche which sorry to all the good women out there, but I believe some it. Its the “A man goes into a marriage thinking his woman isnt going to change, while a woman goes into a marriage expecting to change the man.” While I never changed my opinions, likes and dislikes, I found out she basically lied to me and never liked anything I did nor shared the same opinions, but “went along” because she loved me - note to women - big mistake to do that to a man.

I care for her, but no longer love her. Thankfully, we didnt have kids. I would never get married again. I love my freedom too much. 🙂
 
My priest is the one who first told me to divorce my husband. No, really he did! I was shocked…it never occured to me to divorce him at that time. We were seperated and I went to my priest for counselling because I was totally lost. The first meeting with the priest he told me to reconcile, reconcile, reconcile. He gave me some questions he wanted me to ask my husband. Two weeks later I shared with my priest the answers my husband gave me. First words out of his mouth…divorce him! I was stunned, I never thought I would hear a Catholic priest advocate divorce. That was the best advice I ever got! In retrospect that is… Anyway, it is a very long story, but suffice it to say, the anger is normal, the depression is normal. I knew I was finally on the road to getting better when the kids and I would sit down and pray for their daddy together. I can’t stay mad at people I am praying for… Then on the day our divorce was final…all this anger just burst through me all over again. I was mad at my ex, I was mad at myself, I was mad at God!!! Good thing there was a penance service that night at church! I went and I was so full of anger…I snapped at a nun! Thank God I was in the right place!!! Anyway, I went to confession and as soon as I said how angry I was about the divorce and who I was angry with…the anger just disappeared, I felt a calm come over me…I literally felt happy for the first time in years…OMGosh!!! I was in a daze, totally amazed at the miracle I had just been blest with. As I walked to my car, there was that nun I had snapped at…she asked if I was OK…I told her about what had just happened…she just smiled that knowing smile. After that, everything just got easier. So the moral of my story is… FORGIVE! It does more for you than for the person you are forgiving. TRUST God to guide you through it all. PRAY for your spouse (or exspouse), it does everyone a world of good. BELIEVE that God’s plan for you is much better than anything you can plan for yourself. I got remarried just over a year ago…I still pray for my ex and now for my husband…
 
My priest is the one who first told me to divorce my husband. No, really he did! I was shocked…it never occured to me to divorce him at that time. We were seperated and I went to my priest for counselling because I was totally lost. The first meeting with the priest he told me to reconcile, reconcile, reconcile. He gave me some questions he wanted me to ask my husband. Two weeks later I shared with my priest the answers my husband gave me. First words out of his mouth…divorce him! I was stunned, I never thought I would hear a Catholic priest advocate divorce. That was the best advice I ever got! In retrospect that is… Anyway, it is a very long story, but suffice it to say, the anger is normal, the depression is normal. I knew I was finally on the road to getting better when the kids and I would sit down and pray for their daddy together. I can’t stay mad at people I am praying for… Then on the day our divorce was final…all this anger just burst through me all over again. I was mad at my ex, I was mad at myself, I was mad at God!!! Good thing there was a penance service that night at church! I went and I was so full of anger…I snapped at a nun! Thank God I was in the right place!!! Anyway, I went to confession and as soon as I said how angry I was about the divorce and who I was angry with…the anger just disappeared, I felt a calm come over me…I literally felt happy for the first time in years…OMGosh!!! I was in a daze, totally amazed at the miracle I had just been blest with. As I walked to my car, there was that nun I had snapped at…she asked if I was OK…I told her about what had just happened…she just smiled that knowing smile. After that, everything just got easier. So the moral of my story is… FORGIVE! It does more for you than for the person you are forgiving. TRUST God to guide you through it all. PRAY for your spouse (or exspouse), it does everyone a world of good. BELIEVE that God’s plan for you is much better than anything you can plan for yourself. I got remarried just over a year ago…I still pray for my ex and now for my husband…
 
Its the “A man goes into a marriage thinking his woman isnt going to change, while a woman goes into a marriage expecting to change the man.” While I never changed my opinions, likes and dislikes, I found out she basically lied to me and never liked anything I did nor shared the same opinions, but “went along” because she loved me - note to women - big mistake to do that to a man.

I care for her, but no longer love her. Thankfully, we didnt have kids. I would never get married again. I love my freedom too much. 🙂
I have seen many marriages entered into and ended for the exact same reason you highlighted. Usually it is the woman who lies to her fiance (and denies herself of her truth) b/c she is too afraid of losing her fiance. People want honesty, and to honestly walk away from a relationship before marriage is entered and experience pain is A LOT better than going through a painful seperation and divorce because of a lie (red flag) that was told in the beginning of the relationship.
 
I am just a couple of weeks from my divorce becoming final, and even though it has been really stressful, leaving was the best thing I ever did. As the end is coming closer, my husband is getting meaner and meaner. He is so angry with me for leaving and wants to punish me. Really though, it just underscores how right it was for me to leave. I agree with the other poster who said the freedom is incredible. I’m not going to fault marriage in general for my loss of freedom though. I know that my problem was just an overly controlling husband, and I am pretty easy-going and let him get away with it for years until it just got too bad. I really appreciate this new opportunity to just be me again.
 
A year after graduating college, I got married. Two years ago, we separated, and a year and a half ago, we divorced. Now, in addition to beginning RCIA, I am also attempting to begin the annulment process. I was raised Pentecost and baptized in the Baptist church at the age of 9. My ex-husband, I assume, was baptized in the Methodist church as a baby. Shortly before our marriage, I became a member of the Methodist church (not that I have any idea, to this day, what their beliefs actually are). At the time we were married, I, as most brides do, hoped there would never be cause for a divorce but also believed that if there were, nothing would prevent me from remarrying once a divorce (i.e. a civil divorce) was granted. I viewed that fact that our ceremony took place in a church and was performed by our minister as more of a blessing of hope upon on the marriage than as a binding sacrament. After all, in most Protestant religions, a civil divorce is sufficient and lack of an annulment does not prevent marriage within the church. (I cannot speak for how my ex-husband viewed the ceremony, but I assume he viewed it the same since we had similar backgrounds and has since remarried. I have also spoken with him, and he has no plans to object to the petition).

I know that, since I am not remarried, the outcome of my petition will not affect my confirmation, but I honestly cannot imagine never being permitted to remarry and have a family of my own – two things I desire very much. I’m the type of person that researches something “to death” in an effort to be prepared, and as such, I’m finding and hearing a lot of conflicting information and horror stories. Some people (mostly friends who are “cradle Catholics”) have been telling me that my annulment will not likely be difficult to obtain simply because the marriage occurred before I even began to consider Catholicism as my own faith (often putting it rather bluntly as “It was outside of the Catholic Church, so they don’t care”) and because my ex-husband has since remarried, but a lot of what I’ve read indicates I may be facing an uphill battle simply because we were both baptized and had the ceremony performed by a minister in the Methodist church (since the Church recognizes marriages from all churches).

My ex-husband and I aren’t necessarily at odds with one another, but I wouldn’t say we are “friends” either. Honestly, I don’t have any real feelings for him either way — not love nor hatred nor anger. The man I divorced simply was not the man I fell in love with and thought I married. Years of emotional/verbal abuse and lack of effort during counseling proved that long ago. Now, I’m older (and wiser) and only want to be able to move forward with my life – hopefully with the man I now call my significant other (though we’re quite far from taking any formal steps). My priest has been wonderfully comforting (though we haven’t officially started), telling me not to worry and that he feels it is his job to help me through this and make it as painless as possible. Still, I’m not sure I’ll rest easily until the annulment is granted.
 
Another male here and its going on 4 years that we’ve been divorced and I am loving my new found independance!
Amen to the independance. Not a soul to tell me what to do or where to go.

Although i cannot find a marriage encounter/retreat or Retrouville that will accept a couple dead set on divorcing, to fulfill some self-righteous judge who mandated counseling/retreat. Shes got a boyfreind, and i want her to never contact me again, so most people at these places tell me their thing isnt for us. i think i am going to have to lie to the counselors or pay someone off.

I plan to begin the anullment, but my preist informs me that I cannot be the one to initiate the anullment because i am the one who was unfaithful while engaged, but havent informed HER of that.

He said “if you aren’t going to make that known in your divorce so you don’t get hurt financially, you sure won’t use that as an excuse at the tribunal”.

But then again, she did smash me with a frying pan…
 
Was the frying pan cast iron? If so, you are absolved of your unfaithfulness. I think theres a decree that speaks of this… 😃
 
I am currently going through a divorce and I wonder how you can be so flippant about it… do you not realise that no matter what happened in the marriage, you took a sacred vow in front of God to stay together? If it was independence that you wanted, then I dont think you should have got married. The catholic faith is pretty restrictive too so dont you want your independence from that as well… I am sorry if I have hurt anyone’s feelings but “gaining your independence” seems a very flippant way of looking at the sacrament of marriage
Also, divorce is not actually allowed by God as Jesus states very clearly in the Bible:

Matthew 5.32: “Anyone (all) who divorces his wife for any other reason than “adultery,” he causes her to commit adultery.”

Mark 10.11: “He who divorces his wife and marries another, he keeps on committing adultery against her.”

And 16.18: “Anyone (all) who divorces his wife and marries another, keeps on committing adultery.”
 
I am currently going through a divorce and I wonder how you can be so flippant about it… do you not realise that no matter what happened in the marriage, you took a sacred vow in front of God to stay together? If it was independence that you wanted, then I dont think you should have got married. The catholic faith is pretty restrictive too so dont you want your independence from that as well… I am sorry if I have hurt anyone’s feelings but “gaining your independence” seems a very flippant way of looking at the sacrament of marriage
Also, divorce is not actually allowed by God as Jesus states very clearly in the Bible:

Matthew 5.32: “Anyone (all) who divorces his wife for any other reason than “adultery,” he causes her to commit adultery.”

Mark 10.11: “He who divorces his wife and marries another, he keeps on committing adultery against her.”

And 16.18: “Anyone (all) who divorces his wife and marries another, keeps on committing adultery.”
Mariam, I can assure you that independence is not the reason that I sought divorce, it is just a happy consequence of it. I filed for divorce due to abuse, and that is a very good reason to leave a marriage.
 
Also, divorce is not actually allowed by God as Jesus states very clearly in the Bible:

Matthew 5.32: “Anyone (all) who divorces his wife for any other reason than “adultery,” he causes her to commit adultery.”

Mark 10.11: “He who divorces his wife and marries another, he keeps on committing adultery against her.”

And 16.18: “Anyone (all) who divorces his wife and marries another, keeps on committing adultery.”
I think all of us in this thread are quite aware of the Church’s and God’s stance on divorce, thank you. Unfortunately, divorce is sometimes something that happens – even to people who think it never will and who never want it to. And until you’ve been in that situation, it’s very difficult to judge someone’s reaction to it.

I understand the sentiment of happiness that can follow a divorce. The day after I moved into my own apartment, I had friends tell me that I immediately became a different person – happier and more like myself. The marriage and emotional abuse had just taken such a toll on me that I had become a shadow of me – a flat, unfeeling, robot. But, even so, it still took me three rounds of marriage counseling and two years to decide enough was enough. And frankly, after the amount of prayer and soul-searching I went through to come to that decision, if someone had come to me quoting scripture that told me God wouldn’t allow me to finally admit my marriage had been a gross error, I would not have responded in a very Christian fashion.

Just remember, it isn’t anyone’s place to judge others about the attitudes they have regarding their divorces. It’s the place of God to help the person through the matter and to help the Church decide if the marriage even existed at all.
 
Mariam, I can assure you that independence is not the reason that I sought divorce, it is just a happy consequence of it. I filed for divorce due to abuse, and that is a very good reason to leave a marriage.
Agreed. The great feeling of independence is a happy consequence indeed. I’ve been on my own now for 4 years, so I can definately see the brighter side of things. Things get better with time. I found it funny during our initial breakup that she revealed what I basically felt - that I was a paycheck to her first and foremost.

All she could argue with me was (I was the one who walked) “Great, you’re really getting off easy and sticking it to me with bills” I laughed at this because she made $15,000 more a year than me. I told her to sell the house and we’d split the difference, or sell it to me. She didnt want either, so that was her choice to be saddled with the mortage. At the time, I thought I was getting the bad deal, freedom while she got a home. Now I look at that freedom as priceless - You cant get a home without the mortage, so why rag on me? Oh yeah, I was a walking paycheck. 😉 Not enough men come forward with their legit gripes and it makes the women ALWAYS seem the victims. Marriages just dont end due to men abusing or cheating on their wives. It only seems like that because the majority of men choose not to rehash or even bring up their problems. We just choose to move on. I’ve been on sites where this subject comes up every now and then and there are many women out there moaning about divorces that happened 20 years ago.
 
I am well aware of what the Bible says about divorce. In fact there is a passage that described my situation perfectly:
1 Corinthians:
13 And if any woman hath a husband that believeth not, and he consent to dwell with her, let her not put away her husband. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the believing wife; and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the believing husband: otherwise your children should be unclean; but now they are holy. 15 But if the unbeliever depart, let him depart. For a brother or sister is not under servitude in such cases. But God hath called us in peace.
 
Hi!im new here;
its really hard i to go thru the pain,anger and all the bad memories…ive been there and im still stuck cant get out of all that happen in my marriage life,maybe i sacrifices to much in my marriage and keep on trying to amend things…it feel like im fighting over a lost battle,now its even worst bcos im all alone,i lost everything that i build…i was born as a muslim and now learning to be a true believer as a catholic may the lord guide me and keep my inner strenght stonger…i came to know a guy frm a chat line as the days goes by we fall in love.its a distance relationship bcos his in canada and im in spore.we met last mth in china…things were turned out great,but theres one thing that bothers me his separated with his wife for 2 years wants to come bck and he told me that theres noway his going bck to her,its bcos his wife commits an adultry and the men that she slept with calls him every night to tell him how he make love to her,so his really in great pained…i know deep inside he will never gonna forget what happend.resently he called and told me his confused dont know wht to do his son want them to be together again…oooh lord!!! i love him so much i cant bear losing him…he says that no matter what happen his love for me will never change and he only doing it for the sake of his kids…i really dont know what to do now…:crying: :gopray: :gopray2: :bible1:
 
mariam1976 has a right to express her opinion. I understand where she is coming from. Although it’s not actually divorce itself that is not permissable according to the Bible, it is only remarrying afterwards that is not. Sometimes people just have to seperate for good reasons, and divorce is needed for property settlement and children, etc. I have a lot of problem with the annulment process because of what the Bible says. On this site I hear so many people say they are going to seek an annulment. Isn’t that rejecting God’s law from the word go and trying to find a loophole out of it ? For the record, I cohabitated with my expartner for 22 years and had I been married I believe strongly I would meet the annulment conditions, but after 22 years and 3 children I feel God’s guidance that for Him that was my marriage so to speak and he does not want me to get married to anyone else unless my ex were to die. I will follow His guidance. I am sure if people prayed unceassingly and for how ever long it takes, they may get the same guidance from God. Unfortunately people think being on their own is a death sentance or too unbearable, so they look for a loop hole in the annulment process. To me, it’s the cross I have to bear just like someone who cannot have children, or have had a child die or lost a limb etc etc. We should accept it just as they have to. Catholics are not allowed to seek IVF or some other medical means to enable a childless person to have children just because they can’t, so obviously if our marriage fails then we shouldn’t have a means to make it happen some other way.
I just ask that all those seeking annulements or have sought an annulment please pray unceassingly as to whether this is really what God wants. I feel the Holy Spirit guiding me on everything in my life, and I particularly feel this one area very strongly.
 
one thing that bothers me his separated with his wife for 2 years wants to come bck and he told me that theres noway his going bck to her,its bcos his wife commits an adultry and the men that she slept with calls him every night to tell him how he make love to her
This isn’t something that men do to the husband of the woman they are committing adultery with. That he claims to have been getting those calls with any sort of frequency is a big red flag of unbelievability. It strikes me as a way to try to stir up your sympathies for him. If there was nothing left of his marriage he should have proceeded with divorcing her civilly before starting to pursue relationships with strangers he’s had no prior contact with.
i really dont know what to do now.
You are not going to like this advise, but here it is: Run. As fast as you can. Block his number and his email address. The faster you can cut him out of your life the better off you will be. There are too many things here that are going to be a hazard to you as your faith becomes more secure.
 
mariam1976 has a right to express her opinion. I understand where she is coming from. Although it’s not actually divorce itself that is not permissable according to the Bible, it is only remarrying afterwards that is not. Sometimes people just have to seperate for good reasons, and divorce is needed for property settlement and children, etc. I have a lot of problem with the annulment process because of what the Bible says. On this site I hear so many people say they are going to seek an annulment. Isn’t that rejecting God’s law from the word go and trying to find a loophole out of it ? For the record, I cohabitated with my expartner for 22 years and had I been married I believe strongly I would meet the annulment conditions, but after 22 years and 3 children I feel God’s guidance that for Him that was my marriage so to speak and he does not want me to get married to anyone else unless my ex were to die. I will follow His guidance. I am sure if people prayed unceassingly and for how ever long it takes, they may get the same guidance from God. Unfortunately people think being on their own is a death sentance or too unbearable, so they look for a loop hole in the annulment process. To me, it’s the cross I have to bear just like someone who cannot have children, or have had a child die or lost a limb etc etc. We should accept it just as they have to. Catholics are not allowed to seek IVF or some other medical means to enable a childless person to have children just because they can’t, so obviously if our marriage fails then we shouldn’t have a means to make it happen some other way.
I just ask that all those seeking annulements or have sought an annulment please pray unceassingly as to whether this is really what God wants. I feel the Holy Spirit guiding me on everything in my life, and I particularly feel this one area very strongly.
That is you listening to your conscience. My guess would be that you had a valid marriage. My conscience was bothering me that staying in my marriage was wrong, still I tried to silence it. I was married to somone who was alcoholic and abusive. My priest actually instructed me that I needed to leave, and when I said I wasn’t ready, he gave me a deadline. I did leave, and my husband filed for divorce as a way of trying to force my hand and get me to come back. It didn’t work like that though.

So, what I am saying is, don’t judge others by what your conscience is guiding you to do. Those of us on this board who seek an annulment do so at the prompting of their conscience and are just as faithful at following the teachings of the Church as are you. I know that I am looking for the truth in this process, as well as a little bit of hope.
 
This isn’t something that men do to the husband of the woman they are committing adultery with. That he claims to have been getting those calls with any sort of frequency is a big red flag of unbelievability. It strikes me as a way to try to stir up your sympathies for him. If there was nothing left of his marriage he should have proceeded with divorcing her civilly before starting to pursue relationships with strangers he’s had no prior contact with.

You are not going to like this advise, but here it is: Run. As fast as you can. Block his number and his email address. The faster you can cut him out of your life the better off you will be. There are too many things here that are going to be a hazard to you as your faith becomes more secure.
I wholeheartedly agree with this advice. Many women have fallen for being used and abused by someone who used the “she was cheating on me” sob story. This just seems like someone trying to have the affections of two women, while being dishonest with both of them.
 
I look upon annulments kind of like buying a house. Imagine if you were househunting. You found a charming one that was in the right neighborhood. It had great curb appeal. You made several visits at various times of the day to check it out. It felt comfy. It felt like something you could live in for the rest of your life.

You decide to buy it. Even though it might need new carpet or a coat of paint, it seems sound. The previous owners don’t tell you anything wrong with it. Nothing leaps out at you except a creaky floor here or there. But no house is perfect, right?

You buy it, sign the mortgage, take the keys and move in. Pretty soon the problems start coming up. Leaky pipes, termites that were not divulged in the pre-buying inspection. It turns out the foundation is cracked, and that wasn’t immediately obvious because the previous owners had new flooring put in that hid the telltale signs. And it turns out the place is haunted, to boot!

Okay. You like the house. You don’t want to leave. You’re going to fix it up. With great amounts of time and expense, you try to get rid of the termites. You have a priest come in and bless the place. You become very close friends with the plumbers and wall guys who seem to live there trying to help you bring the place up to code.

You stay for years. But it’s a money pit. Every time you turn around, something else is wrong. Eventually sparks come out of the outlets and switches when you try to turn on a light or plug something in. You realize even the wiring is wrong all through the house. It’s a fire hazard. It’s just a matter of time before the whole darn thing burns to the ground. Do you want to risk having that happen while you and the kids are sleeping?

Finally you move out. The place should have been condemned before you ever moved in. You want your money back.

Now imagine all the people standing around saying “Tsk tsk. You should have known. That’s what you get for not being able to see within the walls and under the floor. Looks like you’re homeless for the rest of your life. Too bad for you.”

It’s an imperfect analogy. But undisclosed structural defaults can invalidate a title transfer. Business agreements can be invalidated by deliberate intent to deceive or default. Marriage is a covenant. If one of the parties goes into it without the real intent to fulfill their part of the covenant, was there a covenant to begin with? That is what an annulment is about. My own H had come from a home where his mother was married three times. Did he REALLY believe marriage was permanent when he went into it? Or did he go into it with the idea that if he got bored after four or five years that he could just divorce me and move on like his mother repeatedly did?

Don’t be so hard, please, on people who want the peace of being completely separated from someone who has already done much damage. I didn’t get an annulment to remarry. I haven’t even gone on my first date. It’s been 11 years since the first time he left. Sometimes we just want the truth to come out. We want the peace of knowing the reason we’re homeless isn’t because we didn’t maintain the house properly. The church sent in building inspectors who came out and told me they were amazed I survived ten years in that place, and I was deceived about the true nature of the house when I bought it. And no one with any brains would ever try to live in it again.
 
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