Separation and Intimacy

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Psychologically, there are many reasons why contenting an intimate relationship might not be prudent. But morally, she is your wife even if she seeks a civil divorce. There is nothing immoral about having intimate relations with your wife.
I suppose so, but I doubt it. You know, lots of marriges go through rough spots with communications problems. And they can be hard to fix. It always seems to me the best first two steps are the following: first: always try to simply be kind to each other, second: start having fun together. Go to the movies, go to the park for a walk, have a nice dinner together, and yes: have sex. Do all of this, a lot of all of this, the communication problems will be easier to fix once you start to really enjoy being with each other again.

Why throw away one of the best “tools” to fix a marriage because you aren’t getting along?
 
I suppose so, but I doubt it. You know, lots of marriges go through rough spots with communications problems. And they can be hard to fix. It always seems to me the best first two steps are the following: first: always try to simply be kind to each other, second: start having fun together. Go to the movies, go to the park for a walk, have a nice dinner together, and yes: have sex. Do all of this, a lot of all of this, the communication problems will be easier to fix once you start to really enjoy being with each other again.

Why throw away one of the best “tools” to fix a marriage because you aren’t getting along?
I agree, but I think it’s too late for that. We had been separated once before; I was in a separate apartment for about 6 mos and moved back in. This was a couple years ago.
 
This is not what the Church teaches.

As to whether OP should have sex with his wife… I don’t see any reason why not. She’s his wife. It certainly wouldn’t be immoral, though maybe there is an argument why it might not be prudent, given the circumstances.

What would definitely not be prudent is moving out of the marital home. Not only does that contribute to the breakup of the marriage, but OP needs to protect himself and his family financially. If she wants to separate so badly, let her be the one to move out, and take the eventual legal consequences. OP, if you don’t believe me on this, talk to a lawyer.
There are a couple problems with that. The biggest is, I had been living away from the house for about 6 months a few years ago and moved back in. At the time I had moved out, the landlord removed my name from the lease, so I pretty much don’t have an option there.
 
There are a couple problems with that. The biggest is, I had been living away from the house for about 6 months a few years ago and moved back in. At the time I had moved out, the landlord removed my name from the lease, so I pretty much don’t have an option there.
Depends on your state, but generally there is a legal process for removing unwanted residents from the residence. You may not own the house, but it seems you would be granted resident status, especially if it’s the address listed on your driver’s license.
 
Originally Posted by KatieM2
She is unable to conceive a child, therefore it would be sinful for you to release your seed into her.

Even if you were intending to remain together, intercourse would therefore be sinful.

Actually according to Church teachings KatieM2 is right. The Church does consider this sex to be sinful.
 
Originally Posted by KatieM2
She is unable to conceive a child, therefore it would be sinful for you to release your seed into her.

Even if you were intending to remain together, intercourse would therefore be sinful.

Actually according to Church teachings KatieM2 is right. The Church does consider this sex to be sinful.
No, the Church does not.

Sex is permitted during times of infertility, whether that is temporary (pregnancy, postpartum, medical issue, or the times during a woman’s cycle when she is naturally infertile), or permanent (medical issue, menopause, or the aftermath of sterilization.)

Sex is only sinful if the couple is altering that particular sexual act (through the use of contraception, or by engaging in acts that purposefully exclude intercourse) or if they are not married.
 
No, the Church does not.

Sex is permitted during times of infertility, whether that is temporary (pregnancy, postpartum, medical issue, or the times during a woman’s cycle when she is naturally infertile), or permanent (medical issue, menopause, or the aftermath of sterilization.)

Sex is only sinful if the couple is altering that particular sexual act (through the use of contraception, or by engaging in acts that purposefully exclude intercourse) or if they are not married.
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Originally Posted by KatieM2
She is unable to conceive a child, therefore it would be sinful for you to release your seed into her.

Even if you were intending to remain together, intercourse would therefore be sinful.

Actually according to Church teachings KatieM2 is right. The Church does consider this sex to be sinful.
Wrong. Very wrong.
 
This is not what the Church teaches.

As to whether OP should have sex with his wife… I don’t see any reason why not. She’s his wife. It certainly wouldn’t be immoral, though maybe there is an argument why it might not be prudent, given the circumstances.

What would definitely not be prudent is moving out of the marital home. Not only does that contribute to the breakup of the marriage, but OP needs to protect himself and his family financially. If she wants to separate so badly, let her be the one to move out, and take the eventual legal consequences. OP, if you don’t believe me on this, talk to a lawyer.
At this point, the only thing that would do is antagonize her more.
 
Originally Posted by KatieM2
She is unable to conceive a child, therefore it would be sinful for you to release your seed into her.

Even if you were intending to remain together, intercourse would therefore be sinful.

Actually according to Church teachings KatieM2 is right. The Church does consider this sex to be sinful.
No, the Church does not. You’ve shown some very odd ideas of Church teaching. I’d suggest some study before make any more such statements.
 
My wife and I have had some very difficult times, and we’ve tried to work things out. Long story short, she wants me to move out, and wants to get a dissolution. I am still currently living in the house, but not in the same bed with her.

Given all that, and that she no longer wants to be married to me, what is the morality of being sexually intimate with her? Its all very confusing to me (and to her because I’m confused).

Any advice/thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Marriage enjoys the presumption of validity, and spouses have the duty to live the common conjugal life unless a legitimate reason excuses them. (This is in canon law; you can look it up.)

As for her tubal ligation, although such a surgery is forbidden to Catholics unless there is a compelling medical reason that justifies infertility as an unfortunate side effect, it is not necessary to have the procedure reversed in order for sexual relations to be allowed.

It is OK for the two of you to decide to abstain from sexual intercourse, but otherwise there is normally a marital debt–that is, married people have a duty to be reasonably available to their spouses for marital relations, even if they are not fertile, provided a legitimate cause does not excuse them. (Infidelity is such a reason, as is a situation that is dangerous to either of the spouses or the children, but that is not an exhaustive list.) Still, of course he will take into account whether she is emotionally fragile before trying to push her to fulfill any of the duties of a wife, but especially when it comes to this. Taking care of her before himself must be foremost on his mind. Certainly a desire to do what you believe in the best interest of the survival of your marriage is a legitimate reason to abstain!
Originally Posted by KatieM2
She is unable to conceive a child, therefore it would be sinful for you to release your seed into her.

Even if you were intending to remain together, intercourse would therefore be sinful.

Actually according to Church teachings KatieM2 is right. The Church does consider this sex to be sinful.
No, this is incorrect. If anything, it would be sinful for a woman who believes herself infertile to unilaterally refuse to have sex with her innocent husband without a legitimate cause excusing her. (If he had been unfaithful or had committed some other serious offense against her, that is a different situation.)

I highly suspect that you will not believe me, so please find an orthodox priest to explain this to you. Likewise, the OP would do well to seek the guidance of his own pastor, since these are matters better handled by a physician of the soul, and not vetted with members of the laity with no pastoral training in this area.
 
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