Separation of church and state - looking for good books/articles

[Piotr1]

Hello,

I’m here for the first time. I’m from Poland, finished law studies. Could you recommend me some good (written in English) books:
(1) about the separation of church and state in USA (I would be particularly interested in matters such as: prohibition of common prayer at schools, of exposing ten commandments at courts, crosses in public places, prohibitions concerning using Bibles at schools etc. - why/how and when it happened),
(2) the faith, religion of Founding Fathers.
Not only books, but articles on the web also. And I would feel most safe if the authors were Catholic
Thank you in advance!

I listened to a podcast at CA with Joseph C. Smith, Jr., the author of “Under God: George Washington and the Question of Church and State”. Fascinating. It turns out that much of the process of secularisation that takes place in USA - in a very similar way takes place also in my country - Poland. And that’s why I would like to study how it works in USA. With pleasure I would read the book by Joseph C. Smith Jr. but it seems that it’s only about George Washington.

Thank you!
GOD BLESS!
Piotr

PS
If you spot any bigger, devastating mistake in my English, please let me know! I’m still learning

 

[ManOnFire]

Separation of Church and State is a fabrication by political activists. The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees freedom of religion. The lawyers in my family laugh at how the public is being deceived. Supreme Court Justice Black used the term in the 1950s.

 

[d97c]

I am an attorney and have studied this issue for decades. The best historical review of this issue, written by a Catholic, is the dissent in the case of McCreary v. ACLU, a U S Supreme Court case from 1995. Justice Antonin Scalia has set out the best argument I have ever seen that reflects the true history of the First Amendment and how it has been hijacked by the liberals like the ACLU and the rest. The founders of this nation in NO way ever thought that a school couldnt have a baccalurate service at a school graduation, or a coach pray with the team before a game, or post a copy of the Ten Commandments at a courthouse, or read a Bible before a school day, have a orayer before a city council meeting,have a moment of silence at a school,prayers to open a legislative session,or have a Chirstmas Party with a manger scene and shepperds, or allow WW 1 veterans keep a cross on public land to respect WW 1 vets, or even consider not to keep “In God We Trust” on the currency—all of which have been won or tried to be won by the ACLU and the athiests. Here is the link:
Read this dissent by Scalia

law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-1693.ZD.html
and then read this excellent article that gives a good history of the efforts to completely take God out of our public life and expression
wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=108

 

[Timothy17]

Seperation of Church and State, as understood in the English-speaking world :

There are two sources and ideological justifications for Church and State seperation, as understood by the English-speaking peoples.

I. English Christian (especially Protestant) Rationale :
Read, for example, “God’s Secret Agents: Queen Elizabeth’s Forbidden Priests and the Hatching of the Gunpowder Plot,” by Alice Hogge.

II. Secular English Rationale :
Study Catholic works dealing with the subject matter of Freemasonry.

Pax Christi,
Tim

 

[Timothy17]

I am an attorney and have studied this issue for decades. The best historical review of this issue, written by a Catholic, is the dissent in the case of McCreary v. ACLU, a U S Supreme Court case from 1995. Justice Antonin Scalia has set out the best argument I have ever seen that reflects the true history of the First Amendment and how it has been hijacked by the liberals like the ACLU and the rest. The founders of this nation in NO way ever thought that a school couldnt have a baccalurate service at a school graduation, or a coach pray with the team before a game, or post a copy of the Ten Commandments at a courthouse, or read a Bible before a school day, have a orayer before a city council meeting,have a moment of silence at a school,prayers to open a legislative session,or have a Chirstmas Party with a manger scene and shepperds, or allow WW 1 veterans keep a cross on public land to respect WW 1 vets, or even consider not to keep “In God We Trust” on the currency—all of which have been won or tried to be won by the ACLU and the athiests. Here is the link:
Read this dissent by Scalia

law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-1693.ZD.html
and then read this excellent article that gives a good history of the efforts to completely take God out of our public life and expression
wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=108

Justice Scalia has stumbled upon the mystery of iniquity.

He is also very wrong in his conclusions.

The First Amendment is constructed to permit religious anarchy (no law respecting an establishment of religion) by elevating religious license to a right (nor prohibit the free exercise thereof). This forumla, being atypical Masonic anarchy, is doing exactly what it was designed to do, regardless of whether or not those who imbibed it realized the full and final consequences of their erroneous thinking.

Freemasonry is the leaven of the Pharisees. Justice Scalia, so much as his human powers are able and God permits, will be able to decry and slow the flood-gates of anarchy that such erroneous and perverse thinking realizes ; however, so long as he accepts that flood-gate (the First Amendment) to lawfully and rightfully exist, he can but only hold back the flood that is consequential of it, and therefore imminent. What is shocking is Christianity’s own tendency to unity and conservativism that in and of itself slows and resists the consequences of the aforementioned flood-gate. Nonetheless, the First Amendment was certainly intended to disparage Christianity. It was written at a time when no religion was publically exercised or professed other than the Christian one. It was written at a time when the radical, the free-thinker, the libertarian was almost always also a Freemason or a fan or follower or dupe of one of them, to lesser or greater degree ; that is, of such debauched men as Voltaire, men who had no issue decrying Christ as the common enemy of all mankind. From a minimalist and convervative contextual approach, the only thing we can say about the First Amendment is that it was intended to prevent Christianity, and only Christianity (in context), from being adopted as the State Religion of the United States on one hand, and further to prevent those same States from preventing the multiplication of divisions and sects within that same religion. It gives every man a right to debauch Christianity at his pleasure and leisure, and therefore virtually serves as an encouragement to the same. It is anti-Christian to its core. It was meant to shipwreck Christianity from all public props and supports ; nonetheless, this was Christianity’s start, and being of Divine Institution, it needs not the help of the State, but rather and properly the other way around. Nations rise and fall, Christianity has always persevered, even in the most brutal of regimes and persecutions.

You cannot logically reconcile the First Amendment to Christianity. The philosophy underlying the First Amendment is fundamentally erroneous. It assumes as fact that Christianity is not the Truth to which all men are called to adhere and find happiness, rest, peace, Truth, etc.

Pax Christi,
Tim

 

[d97c]

Read what Scalia said before you trash him. You couldn’t have read that and then commented the way you did. The guy posting the first question wants to read about the First Amendment and the false “separation” language that is not IN the First Amendment.

To the original poster: My links will show you, sir, the argument from a Catholic Jurist and also the false efforts made by the kiberal ACLU to take Christ out of public discourse. Also read this about the real beliefs and statements by the Founding Fathers on the need for the nation to rely on Christianity.
wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=8755