Separation of religion and politics

[InSearchofGrace]

Hm?

A central argument in the pro-choice position is that each woman should be free to decide the morality of getting an abortion. Paraphrasing it: if you don’t think abortion is moral, don’t get one. Or, and this is a bit silly but I have heard the chant: “Get your rosaries off my ovaries.”

And, even though the majority of Americans feel abortion is not morally acceptable, the majority of Americans are also opposed to banning abortion.

… which makes for a schizophrenic morality of the majority if true. Religion, Catholicism in particular, has a unity of the moral underpinnings in the teachings. It would not hurt the states and secularized population to stop and consider this. People would say this is an unreachable objective, I reckon. The majority will first have to agree what serves the common good when old laws are changed or interpreted differently from the intention of the founders, and when new laws are drawn.
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[sedonaman]

So you are suggesting that a higher number of those affected is more important than if it were a lesser number …that is illogical and immoral …Every life has the same value . That is what the Catholic church teaches and well as all true Christian Churches .

I just think there is more than a little amount of straining the gnat and passing the camel when people get all worked up about the inquisitions 400 years ago [of which they can do nothing] and shrug off the deca-mega murders of abortion today, of which they can.

 

[Nate13]

However, the US Supreme Court has ruled many times that the Fourteenth Amendment extends the provisions of the Bill of Rights to all of the states. And the Supreme Court has specifically applied that principle to the First Amendment.

So the 14th Amendment stripped all power from the States? I understand what your saying, but this is dangerously ambiguous. It seems the 14th Amendment is being used to basically allow the federal government to do what it wills. There seems to no longer be a line in the sand. I understand the 14th Amendment has its good uses and its original intent but it appears to be so ambiguous it destroys the separation of powers between the States and the Federal Government.

I’d also point out that the 14th Amendment seemed to be more about reiterating that the States were subject to what was laid down in the Declaration of Independence.

This:

nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Sounds a lot like this:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,[74] that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

 

[Dale_M]

So the 14th Amendment stripped all power from the States?

No, I didn’t say that. I said that the Supreme Court has interpreted the Fourteenth Amendment as holding state and local government accountable for the the freedoms granted in the Bill of Rights.

I am not making that up. There are multiple Supreme Court rulings to that effect, dating back more than 100 years.

 

[usnlt76]

So you are suggesting that a higher number of those affected is more important than if it were a lesser number …that is illogical and immoral …Every life has the same value . That is what the Catholic church teaches and well as all true Christian Churches .

How is that logical? If every life has the value X, then 50 million times X is greater than 350,000 times X. So therefore the larger number of lost life is worse than the smaller number of lost life.

Isn’t it a worse sin and a most likely larger attack on God’s plan to kill 50 million people than 350,000?

 

[AndyCothran]

I just think there is more than a little amount of straining the gnat and passing the camel when people get all worked up about the inquisitions 400 years ago [of which they can do nothing] and shrug off the deca-mega murders of abortion today, of which they can.

My point was that what you were saying earlier was hypocritical …I too am anti abortion …But to me a life is a life period …there is no straining a gnat to swallow a camel here ,It isn’t right to be passive about anyones torture or murder and numbers do not mean a thing …if it were one life thats one too many and if it is 500000000
then its one too many …and thats all i am going to say about it here …

 

[AndyCothran]

How is that logical? If every life has the value X, then 50 million times X is greater than 350,000 times X. So therefore the larger number of lost life is worse than the smaller number of lost life.

Isn’t it a worse sin and a most likely larger attack on God’s plan to kill 50 million people than 350,000?

You are bypassing i think the fact that in Gods eyes we are all worth the same …
is it a greater sin ,no …its the same sin ,repeated yes but a sin is a sin is a sin …

 

[Swiss_Guy]

Are you forgetting that some of the most horrendous inquisitions and persecutions which invloved torture and murder were done because of the undue influence of religion in governments ?

If you are referring to all of the Inquisitions throughout the middle ages, there were about 6000 deaths over 500 years. Compare that to 50,000,000 deaths in the US alone since 1973 because of separation of Church and state. I find that much worse personally. And how vicious has Switzerland been lately?