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In the older liturgical calendar, there was a period in the weeks before Lent to prepare for it. In the homily I heard yesterday, the priest suggested this as a time for self-examination to determine what Lenten practices we would follow.

Perhaps others could share what they do in Septuagesima.
 
I usually contemplate the Cross and figure out what I will be doing during the Lenten season. I also make an effort to be more in line with the Church’s liturgical prayer, the Divine Office.
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FKC
 
I usually think about how great Lent will be. Fasting, abstaining from meat on friday, Mass, Confession. And then, Holy Week, the most glorious time of the Church year. How great it is to be Catholic!🙂
 
Does anyone know why these days were supressed when the novus ordo was brought online?
 
Although I fully and humbly submit to our Holy Mother, the Church. I think the changes to the calender were criminal. There is no reason many, MANY of these feast days and seasons were removed.
FKC
 
Even though Septuagesima is no longer in the Church calendar, we can still use it as time to get ready for Lent. It is still possible to benefit spiritually from this tradition.
 
Although I fully and humbly submit to our Holy Mother, the Church. I think the changes to the calender were criminal. There is no reason many, MANY of these feast days and seasons were removed.
FKC
So you’ve researched this and asked questions and are teady to share your findings on this? Surely you have quotes from Church documents to back this up? Sorry, but I believe that Holy Mother Church DID have good reasons for the changes even though I don’t have full knowledge on this. I trust that the Church has good reasons for everything She does. An OFTEN IGNORED, but very BASIC aspect of Christian charity is giving others, including the Church, the benefit of the doubt. To impugn the Church or anyone for that matter based on nothing but our own flawed and often mean-spirited presumptions is a sin. I cannot tell you how often I’ve been misjudged and unfairly treated and gossiped about by fellow Catholics who chose to presume things about me that aren’t true. It’s so hurtful.:sad_yes:
 
In the older liturgical calendar, there was a period in the weeks before Lent to prepare for it. In the homily I heard yesterday, the priest suggested this as a time for self-examination to determine what Lenten practices we would follow.

Perhaps others could share what they do in Septuagesima.
Although I fully and humbly submit to our Holy Mother, the Church. I think the changes to the calender were criminal. There is no reason many, MANY of these feast days and seasons were removed.
FKC
Lol Jayne. You tried.

Guys, seriously. Let’s be positive. Follow the rules. Mention the benefits Septuagesima gives us-don’t compare the calendars. Let the benefits speak for themselves. Jeez.

People can form their own opinions based on such merits-no need to push them away with the constant infighting.

Back to the topic of the OP…

I wasn’t able to attend a mass with a homily on Septuagesima, but I’ve found reciting the office of Prime with my little brother before mass on Sundays at the OF has helped keep me in touch with both the old calendar and seeing some of the ties between the old and the new. It’s also allowed me to reflect on the Sunday in general.

As far as other pre-lent practices, I’m not sure. I’m up to my neck in classwork right now!

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Our RCIA speaker touched on this briefly last Sunday. We were talking about the coming of lent and how disciplines can be practiced at times other than lent, or prayed about in the period before lent. And how disciplines like fasting are done for the love of God and His people, and not something we “inflict” on ourselves.
 
Although I fully and humbly submit to our Holy Mother, the Church. I think the changes to the calender were criminal. There is no reason many, MANY of these feast days and seasons were removed.
FKC
Respectfully, I disagree. The simplification of the calendar made things like the Divine Office much more within the grasp of the laity.

Moreover, in the old calendar there were so many feasts and classes of feasts, plus votive offices, etc., that ordinary days were so few that the concept of “feast” to me loses its meaning. IMHO regular days give a regularity to life that I find most comforting, and in so doing they actually highlight the feast in a way that makes it more special, rather than just another day one had to sort out complicated rubrics.

“Criminal”, btw, is a bit over the top. Many devoted and orthodox priests and religious would agree with me. It was part of the reason why monastics ended up divided into choir monks and lay brothers to do the physical work, because the work of choir had become so intense and complex; creating two classes of monk was completely foreign to the idea of St. Benedict when he wrote his Rule. All were to be of equal standing in the monastery, and the priest-monks were not to have any special status other than that which they held at the altar.

Returning to simpler liturgical practices has permitted monasteries to return to their original charism. The abbey I’m associated with, for instance, abolished lay brothers and incorporated them as fully professed brothers, with a full and equal voice in chapter.

I suspect that those in the Vatican who simplified the calendar were very much in tune with this situation, and did not simply pull a simplified calendar out of the air for their pleasure.
 
Our RCIA speaker touched on this briefly last Sunday. We were talking about the coming of lent and how disciplines can be practiced at times other than lent, or prayed about in the period before lent. And how disciplines like fasting are done for the love of God and His people, and not something we “inflict” on ourselves.
I really like this idea that we should spend some time thinking and praying about our Lenten practices before Lent. I used to be pretty random about it and it makes sense to me that it should be more careful and deliberate.
 
I really like this idea that we should spend some time thinking and praying about our Lenten practices before Lent. I used to be pretty random about it and it makes sense to me that it should be more careful and deliberate.
I agree. It’s a process I usually start reflecting on during Advent, actually. No particular reason for that timing; Advent is a time of preparation and it just gets me thinking ahead.
 
I agree. It’s a process I usually start reflecting on during Advent, actually. No particular reason for that timing; Advent is a time of preparation and it just gets me thinking ahead.
I use Advent as if it was Lent. So I prepare pre-Advent and pre-Lent for both seasons.
 
I use the season of Septuagesima to prepare for Lent, by selecting a spiritual book and deciding what my Lenten penances will be.

Also, I like that Septuagesima connects us to our Eastern brothers and sisters and to our ancestors (Together the Roman Catholic Septuagesima and Lent equal the time the Eastern Catholics set aside for Lent. At some point the popes shortened Lent but kept the remainder as a preparatory season).
 
I use Advent as if it was Lent. So I prepare pre-Advent and pre-Lent for both seasons.
That makes sense since traditionally the Church understood Advent as a penitential season (violet vestments, no Gloria, etc) and only recently turned it into a season of “hopeful expectation.” However, ever since I recovered the ancient understanding of Advent in my own life I still see it as less demanding than Lent (a comparison of the former fasting practices clearly shows that) so I do not push myself as hard.

It’s nice to hear what other people do.
 
I use Advent as if it was Lent. So I prepare pre-Advent and pre-Lent for both seasons.
You know, now that I think about it, Advent seems to have a built-in preparatory season ahead of it, especially in the traditional calendar. November, dedicated to the Holy Souls in Purgatory has a really penitential feel to it already, especially this last year as nearly all the weekday Masses I assisted at were requiem Masses with black vestments.

By the time Advent arrives, I’m naturally ready for some penance without much extra effort on my part.
 
I use the season of Septuagesima to prepare for Lent, by selecting a spiritual book and deciding what my Lenten penances will be.

Also, I like that Septuagesima connects us to our Eastern brothers and sisters and to our ancestors (Together the Roman Catholic Septuagesima and Lent equal the time the Eastern Catholics set aside for Lent. At some point the popes shortened Lent but kept the remainder as a preparatory season).
There’s an old tradition in the Rule of St Benedict where the abbot assigns a book for each monk to read during Lent.
That makes sense since traditionally the Church understood Advent as a penitential season (violet vestments, no Gloria, etc) and only recently turned it into a season of “hopeful expectation.” However, ever since I recovered the ancient understanding of Advent in my own life I still see it as less demanding than Lent (a comparison of the former fasting practices clearly shows that) so I do not push myself as hard.

It’s nice to hear what other people do.
Well Advent still has purple vestments, no Gloria and no organ, at least at our abbey. But it doesn’t have the Lenten fast where monks fast every day except Sunday.

November is indeed a good preparation for Advent. The month of the dead. In the reformed Divine Office, in the last week of Ordinary Time, the hymn called for in the Liber Hymnarius is the Dies Irae, split and spread over Vigils, Lauds and Vespers.
 
You know, now that I think about it, Advent seems to have a built-in preparatory season ahead of it, especially in the traditional calendar. November, dedicated to the Holy Souls in Purgatory has a really penitential feel to it already, especially this last year as nearly all the weekday Masses I assisted at were requiem Masses with black vestments.

By the time Advent arrives, I’m naturally ready for some penance without much extra effort on my part.
Exactly. Either calender is ready made for this kind of attitude.

For me it starts after my birthday, which is on the Feast of St. Francis. Once that celebration gets done I start thinking about Advent. Come November things get more focused.
 
There’s an old tradition in the Rule of St Benedict where the abbot assigns a book for each monk to read during Lent.
What a good idea. I’m going to read St. Francis de Sales’ Sermons for Lent. What will you read?
Well Advent still has purple vestments, no Gloria and no organ, at least at our abbey. But it doesn’t have the Lenten fast where monks fast every day except Sunday.

November is indeed a good preparation for Advent. The month of the dead. In the reformed Divine Office, in the last week of Ordinary Time, the hymn called for in the Liber Hymnarius is the Dies Irae, split and spread over Vigils, Lauds and Vespers.
Of course, my parish is the same.

That’s neat about the Office. Does the new DO have the “Preces” on Wednesdays and Fridays during Advent and Lent? Most of my experience with with the BR of 1960.
 
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