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lavazza
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Why is our old testement diffrent that the Septuagin? That was the one jesus and the apostles used and quoted. why should ours be diffrent?
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What are you talking about? 
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lavazza
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it seems our old testement comes from the masoretic text, which is a lot newer and has many diffrences in it, compared to the very much older septuagin text. That is what i am asking? jesus and paul used the septuagin for their quotes. so i thought we should use the same texts as them.
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Zooey
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Well, the most obvious answer, is that our Bibles are different, because we are not reading in Greek (nor Hebrew). We read in English, so of course, there are different words.
Beyond that, that New Advent article is a dandy! I want to point out one line that is all important:
Beyond that, that New Advent article is a dandy! I want to point out one line that is all important:
The differences are not of great importance!!! (To read this part, scroll down in the article to Critical Value, under “Critical Value and Language”.
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That is an excellent question. After the Jews returned from Babylonian captivity, only a fraction returned to Palestine. This is called the “diaspora” or “dispersion” of Jews. After a couple of generations many of these people lost the ability read Hebrew. Consequently, there was an effort by scholars to translate the Hebrew scriptures into the common language of international commerce: Greek. This version of the Old Testament became so popular that it supplanted others even in Palestine-- and it’s clear that this was the Bible of Jesus and His apostles because when they quoted OT passages, they’re practically verbatim from the Septuagint (abbreviated LXX)–as in Luke 4: 18 where Jesus quotes Isaiah 61:1 and includes the phrase “and recovering of sight to the blind.” The words are absent from Hebrew MSS but retained in the LXX.
As Christianity expanded through the civilized world, the Christians adopted the LXX as their Bible and the Jews returned to the Hebrew texts as a defensive measure. Every ancient copy of the LXX is of Christian origin and also contains the apocrypha. The reason Protestant Bibles don’t have the apocrypha is because rather than continue with a historical Christian Old Testament, Luther (and later Protestants) went to the Jews for the Hebrew manuscripts as did Jerome before them (Augustine condemned Jerome’s rejection of the LXX in favor of Jewish texts). Catholic and Orthodox scriptural content vs. Protestant content is directly due to early Catholic reliance upon the Septuagint. All the earliest Christian manuscripts included the apocrypha.
The LXX has some good and bad translations, but often when the LXX differs from the masoretic text it coincides with Dead Sea Scroll readings. Jerome claimed that the Jews modified their scriptures to delete or obscure references to Jesus. Justin Martyr claimed that the Jews deleted passages that clearly referred to Christ from their scriptures citing this as having once appeared in Jeremiah, “'The Lord God remembered His dead people of Israel who lay in the graves; and He descended to preach to them His own salvation.” While that passage doesn’t appear in either the LXX or masoretic copies, it shows that early Christians were skeptical about the integrity of the Hebrew mss.
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lavazza
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thanks alma
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Subrosa
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When St. Jerome was set the task of translating the scripture into Latin, he found the Greek of the Septuagint nearly impossible to translate. He then went to the Hebrew to translate into the Latin Vulgate.
The present day text used at every mass in the US is the New American Bible which is a new translation throughoutand is published both on the USCCB and Vatican websites.
The translations come from various early texts including some from Qumran (The Dead Sea Scrolls) usccb.org/nab/prefaceold.shtml
All are the Word of God.
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