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Dear chaz, if Islam was the one true religion, why did it take thousands years to reveal itself to mankind? Muslims believe that everyone is born a Muslim - that includes prophets of the OT and every person on earth. How did the “Muslims” of the OT know they were Muslims? Where is it in the OT that makes this claim? Where is Mohammad’s genealogy in the OT? We can trace Jesus’ genealogy but Mohammad’s nowhere to be found.

If Mohammad was the Seal of Prophets, why do Muslims reject Bahá’u’lláh as their prophet since he was a Muslim himself? Islam is not God’s intention. It is the intention of a man - Mohammad. A self-proclaimed “prophet” whose authenticity was questioned when Bahá’u’lláh received his revelations from God. If Christians have to acknowledge Islam as a true religion, it’ll only be acknowledged when Muslims accept Bahá’u’lláh as their prophet, since he also claims to be the Seal of Prophets. There cannot be 2 distinctive Seals of Prophets. Either one is lying and the other is the true Seal, or both are lying since both religions sound desperate to claim the Seal of Prophethood. Until then, Mohammad and his religion is as good as the Gnostics (or Bahais) and their religion.
Ah, Mohammad, Baha’u’llah, John Smith, et al.

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Mt 7:15-16
 
I already answer your repeated allegation in an another thread. Here again, since you raised it here:

And keep this too in your mind:

**Jesus will judge you (Jews and those who in their mind are following him). Not the Muslims. Because Jesus was a Muslim. He cannot judge Muslims because Muslims are already with Jesus Christ (pbuh).

Jesus will throw you out by saying: “Depart from me…I never knew you” why? Because you call him Lord and then instead of following him, following his enemy Saul/Paul.

Second, Jesus’ metaphorical Father (God Almighty) is greater than him, and that Father is Father of all every Tom, D i c k and Harry including Hitler, Mussoulini, Bloody Mary, Crusaders ecc…

Third, Jesus is not God to judge the whole mankind, nor he claimed to be God, as, he was a** man, a son of man repeatedly mentioned even in your proven altered texts of the Holy Bibles.

Jesus ( being a Jew) may be a god or a son of the Most High (Biblically) just like how all Jews are gods and sons of the Most High (Pslam 81/82).

God doesn’t die. If you say: “Why you are liiting God? God can die too”, then I would say: “The God you believe who can die too (even for three days and three nights) or go to bathroom for call of nature, is not my God. I believe in Eternal God and not in a dead/dying/once dead God”.
I have responded to these absurdities here:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=4258430&posted=1#post4258430
 
Salaam/peace

never heard of such incident .Pl. give source / more info. Thanks.
Abdullah bin Umar: Allah’s Apostle ordered that the dogs should be killed.
Bukhari Translation Book #10, Hadith #3809

Ibn Umar reported Allah’s Messenger giving command for killing dogs.
Muslim Translation Book #10, Hadith # 3809

Ibn Umar reported Allah’s Messenger ordered to kill dogs, and he sent men to the corners of Medina that they should be killed.
Muslim Translation Book #10, Hadith # 3810

Abdullah B. Umar reported Allah’s Messenger ordered the killing of dogs and we would send men in Medina and it’s corners and we did not spare any dog that we did not kill, so much so, that we killed the dog that accompanied the wet she-camel belonging to the people of the desert.
Muslim Translation Book #10, Hadith #3812

Abu Zabair heard Jabir b. Abdullah saying Allah’s Messenger ordered us to kill dogs, and we carried out this order so much so that we also kill the dog coming with a woman from the desert. Then Allah’s apostle (pbuh) forbade their killing. He (the Holy Prophet) further said: it is your duty the jet-black dog having two spots (on the eyes), for it is the devil.
Muslim Translation Book #10, Hadith #3813

Ibn Mughaffal reported: Allah’s Messenger (pbuh) orderd the killing of dogs and then said: what is the trouble with them (the people of Medina)? How dogs are a nuisance to them (the citizens of Medina)? He then permitted the keeping of dogs for hunting and (the protection of) herds. In the hadith transmitted on the authority of Yahya, he (The Holy Prophet) permitted the keeping of dogs for (the protection of) herds, for hunting and (the protection of) cultivated land.
Muslim Translation Book #10, Hadith #3814

Narrated by Abdullah ibn Mughaffal: the Prophet (pbuh) said: Were dogs not a species of creature I should command that they all be killed; but kill every pure black one.
Sunan Abudawed Translation, Book # 16, Hadith #2839

Malik related to me from Nafi from ABdullah ibn Umar that the Messenger of Allah, May Allah bless him and grant him peace, said “whoever acquires a dog other than a sheepdog or a hunter’s dog, will have two girats deducted from the reward of his good actions every day.” Malik related to me from Nafi from ABdullah ibn Umar that the Messenger of Allah, May Allah bless him and grant him peace, ordered dogs to be killed.
Muhatta Translation book #54 Hadith #54.5.13
 
Salaam/peace
Abdullah bin Umar: Allah’s Apostle …
Muhatta Translation book #54 Hadith #54.5.13
Dogs in Islam

…In two separate narrations by Abu Hurayrah
the Prophet , told his companions of the virtue of saving the life of a dog by giving it water and quenching its thirst.

One story referred to a man who was blessed by Allaah for giving water to a thirsty dog, the other was a prostitute who filled her shoe with water and gave it to a dog, who had its tongue lolling out from thirst.

For this deed she was granted the ultimate reward, the eternal Paradise under which rivers flow, to live therein forever. [Muslim]

islamweb.net/ver2/engblue/article.php?lang=E&id=76849
 
Salaam/peace

Dogs in Islam

…In two separate narrations by Abu Hurayrah
the Prophet , told his companions of the virtue of saving the life of a dog by giving it water and quenching its thirst.

One story referred to a man who was blessed by Allaah for giving water to a thirsty dog, the other was a prostitute who filled her shoe with water and gave it to a dog, who had its tongue lolling out from thirst.

For this deed she was granted the ultimate reward, the eternal Paradise under which rivers flow, to live therein forever. [Muslim]

islamweb.net/ver2/engblue/article.php?lang=E&id=76849
This still does not answer questions raised by Lisa44:
I noticed that you didn’t defend Muhammad for killing all the dogs in his area. Do you also find this strange behavior for a ‘prophet’? Or do you also think that dogs are evil?
Besides, Muslims are known to be cat lovers rather than dog lovers. At least in this part of the world.
 
Salaam/peace

Dogs in Islam

…In two separate narrations by Abu Hurayrah
the Prophet , told his companions of the virtue of saving the life of a dog by giving it water and quenching its thirst.

One story referred to a man who was blessed by Allaah for giving water to a thirsty dog, the other was a prostitute who filled her shoe with water and gave it to a dog, who had its tongue lolling out from thirst.

For this deed she was granted the ultimate reward, the eternal Paradise under which rivers flow, to live therein forever. [Muslim]

islamweb.net/ver2/engblue/article.php?lang=E&id=76849
sigh, I’ve got you on the run.
I didn’t mean for you to run and pick up the nicest hadith about a prostitute giving a thirsty dog water.
I meant for you to address the command by your prophet to kill dogs. At least, he modified if after the carnage to “black dogs”. (He probably felt a little guilty after his men slaughtered even the desert people’s camel dogs…oops, am I getting a bit carried away he thought to himself?)

You are avoiding the issue which is that dogs were considered “evil” and (at the very least black dogs) and Muslims are not to enter a house that has pictures, or dogs because angels will not go near a dog. Muhammad reasoned thus because his ‘angel’ didn’t come to visit when there was a dog around.

Maybe, like I said, the ‘angel’ was not an ‘angel’ after all? But a demon. Muhammad had to get rid of the dogs so that their barking would not give his evil spirit away.

Or maybe Muhammad was a loving and kind man who just was irritated by dogs and wanted them killed because he didn’t like their floppy ears. His ‘angels’ didn’t like the dogs either because of their tails. So the angels, who are so powerful, would be distracted from their mission because of a puppy. I know those silly puppies. They get in the way of the salvation of mankind don’t they? I heard that one time Jesus was not able to save a man because of a playful puppy that got in the way.:rolleyes:

Those gosh darn puppies.

😃
 
You are avoiding the issue which is that dogs were considered “evil” and (at the very least black dogs) and Muslims are not to enter a house that has pictures, or dogs because angels will not go near a dog. Muhammad reasoned thus because his ‘angel’ didn’t come to visit when there was a dog around.
It is very strange that the ‘angels’ of the Qur’an refuse to enter a house that has images or dogs. Folklore and recorded exorcisms have also noted demons are afraid of certain animals and holy images. Very peculiar indeed.
 
It is very strange that the ‘angels’ of the Qur’an refuse to enter a house that has images or dogs. Folklore and recorded exorcisms have also noted demons are afraid of certain animals and holy images. Very peculiar indeed.
Exactly! If you follow the subject of Exorcisms or hauntings you will note that dogs will bark or go crazy when there is an evil presence. Barking at a corner of the room and the people cannot see anything. Often the dog will not enter the room the spirit inhabits, or even the house. They will cower and wine outside. Dogs can and do sense evil. This is quite obvious to people who have had evil spirits around.
 
Salaam/peace

Dogs in Islam

…In two separate narrations by Abu Hurayrah
the Prophet , told his companions of the virtue of saving the life of a dog by giving it water and quenching its thirst.

One story referred to a man who was blessed by Allaah for giving water to a thirsty dog, the other was a prostitute who filled her shoe with water and gave it to a dog, who had its tongue lolling out from thirst.

For this deed she was granted the ultimate reward, the eternal Paradise under which rivers flow, to live therein forever. [Muslim]

islamweb.net/ver2/engblue/article.php?lang=E&id=76849
Does ignoring, or denying, the haditha work when you don’t want to deal with it? Does it help so you don’t have to question anything or answer to, or for, your own ‘religion’?

An animal is God’s creature, but let us examine islam a little more. Since it really doesn’t care if a muslims tortures and/or kills a human being - why would it care about a dog! muslim women have less rights and freedoms under islam’s thumb, while non-muslims have no rights. Not only are there atrocities in lands where sharia law is the law of the land - why would we see any concerted effort to help the animals!

With all the muslim charities - we don’t see the oil rich muslims wiping out poverty in muslim lands, instead we do see the muslim charities directed towards jihadists. Now that should not surprise us if we read he koran and hadiths. No muslim charities could be found to help any muslims, or anyone, in katrina, let alone muslim lands in the last tsunami in Southeast Asia. Only harsh scrutiny by others forced the saudis to donate money a paltry amount. Such a disgrace!

Here we find where muslim charities money goes to:

The funneling of muslim charity

If you read this article you will find that no good muslim charity was found. Or we might have to redefine the word ‘good’ in islam - ‘good’ means funding jihadists who kill non-muslims. ‘good’ means funding hamas, hezbollah, al qaeda, and any other group that I don’t know about since there are so many and more pop up daily.
 
Since Islam seems to be the most recent major worldly religion I have a question that hopefully someone could give some insight on or actually several.I don’t know that much other than the major tenants of Islam.
It is not recent - it is just recently been in our faces since 9/11. Their jihad against us has sped up since then. But, they declared war against us a few decades ago. Jihad is more than violence against us, but also the ‘moderates’ supporting such violence by doing nothing about it, supporting it via their muslim charities, and spreading islam by any means necessary - deception, births, forced conversions (yes, they are known for kidnapping and forcing conversions and marriages - this is being done in India, and other areas where muslims are battling against non-muslims), da’wa (I will post the defintion to that below), etc.

There is so much to this that it is hard to contain in one email. jihad is to islam as the Resurrection is to Christians.

Centrality of jihad
Why did a message from God himself to Muhammad cause Islam today after Christ had already fulfilled his mission?

If it wasn’t God, then who inspired Muhammad?

Why would God allow this if Christianity is meant to be the only full way to truth?
That is what muslims will tell you - that God sent an angel Gabriel to him. Well, when one digs into islam one finds that mohammed had fits (frontal lobe epilepsy) and it is indeed in many of its hadiths that there was something physically wrong with mohammed.

mohammed and frontal lobe epilepsy

And many of us say that the ‘angel’ that came to him was the Prince of Lies - Lucifer. How else could a ‘religion’ justify the bloodbaths that it has left behind for 1400 years and still doing such things? Anything that the muslims say is peaceful only relates to how they treat other muslim males - not to what the koran says to do to non-muslims, or even their own women.
Islam is the only religion that is connected closely to Judaism and Christianity but so different from either.

I’m just confused.
There is no connection between islam and Judaism and Christianity. It was only a wish that mohammed had and that is what he would say to try to convert the Jews of his time. Most of the koran and hadiths Bible stories are messed up and kludgy - because mohammed was an illiterate. He was a pagan and the god of islam is the god of his pagan religion - allah, the moon god, was one of many gods and goddesses. At one time mohammed even wanted to include allah’s three daughters, but was advised to keep them out.

allah’s daughters

the rites and ceremonies, and black stone is of mohammed’s pagan religion.

Most of the muslims are getting upset because we show them via their own koran and hadiths all of this is true. They get very upset and will use any tactic to try to stop one from talking about it.

The only thing about this is to read for oneself. Don’t take anyone’s word for it alone. And I say that knowing that no one will convert to islam if they read the koran and peruse the hadiths - there is nothing at all to lift the soul or nothing spiritual in it at all.

The koran is confusing because another thing that muslims don’t tell you is that the peaceful passages were abrogated (replaced) by the violent passages. In order for mohammed to justify the looting, enslaving, killing, calling for assassinations, etc - he also had to redefine sin.

Like I said there is a lot to all of this for one note.

here is the definition of da’wa:
In Islam, da’wa means a “call” or “invitation,” and has been used to refer to a person being “called” to follow Islam. However, it has developed into the idea of a “mission” or “propaganda,” either in a political or religious sense.
Actually Da’wa is considered to be some type of “Jihad” its called “The Word Jihad” (aka Jihad Alkalema) , per (Quran 25:52)
 
Analyzer,

when you say you can’t follow a ‘god’ who can get killed, this highlights a huge difference between Christians and Muslims.

It is the difference of how we see creation.

We don’t see the universe as something that bounds God, but something God created. He exists also outside of creation, and creation (the universe) is secondary.

Death in this universe is not non existance.

It is like leaving one room and entering another.

Your words translate to many of us as saying “i don’t believe in a ‘god’ that will enter this room as one of us, with all our restrictions in order to teach and relate to us and then will leave this room at the hands of our rejection”.

God is greater than that narrow view IMHO.

God is not to be viewed as a distant uncaring being who is concerned only about power and self aggrandment. He is a creator who cares about his creation in the most intimate of ways and suffers from our rejection, but he also allows us our freedom to accept him.

Accept him not because of his power but his love.

The rejection and sufferring of Christ on earth in a way we could see, parallels the rejection of him (God) as spirit that happens in (for want of a better word) Heaven.

It is a powerful witness that allows us to see our relationship with God - the carer, creator, teacher, lover and sufferrer.

Until you can see that, then Christianity will not make sense to you.

Peace be upon you.
 
This is my son

God has already openly admitted the follwing:

Matthew 3:17
And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

Mark 9:7
Then a cloud appeared and enveloped them, and a voice came from the cloud: “This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!”

Luke 9:35
A voice came from the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him.”

The above recorded by 3 different individuals and witnessed by hundreds is written evidence that God OPENLY admitted in PUBLIC that Jesus is His Son.

Who would have the audacity to deny such an open show of relationship except he who wishes for man to be damned?

Definition of the Dajjal(Anti-Christ): 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Messiah? He is antichrist, that denieth God the Father and Jesus the Son.

*** Muhammad is therefore not a prophet, but someone sent by the devil to remove God’s salvation grace to mankind. No prophet ever has sex with little girls nor kills people in cold blood. When God speaks, it is always with power and glory, glowing gowns, fiery clouds and thundering, NOT hiding in some dark damp cave forcing an epileptic to recite. See Luke 16:16 : “The Law and the Prophets were until John (the Baptist)” – this means that Muhammad is an evil FRAUD and all who follows him are eternally damned.

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🙂
 
Salaam/ Peace
…I didn’t mean for you to run and pick up the nicest hadith about a prostitute giving a thirsty dog water.
why ? what’s your problem with this hadith ?
I meant for you to address the command by your prophet to kill dogs.
u may read this ans.

Hadeeth about killing Dogs:

…The order was to kill biting rabid and voracious dogs… The killing of the rabid dogs also applied to other creatures and animals that were dangerous as well. e.g. wolves

… hadith saying to kill all dogs except the ones used for hunting or guarding sheep. Other hadith stating that the killing of dogs have been abrogated except for the killing of black dogs …
Ordered killing of dogs except for protection of fields

Hadith Showing Dogs Not Being Killed

They used to see dogs urinating on the floor of the mosque and they just sprinkled water on the spot, they didn’t go and kill the dog. (Saheeh Bukhari: Volume 001, Book 004, Hadith Number 174)

…Should We Go Around Killing Dogs Today?

As for the hadith of (Saheeh Muslim: Book 024, Number 5248) the order to kill the dogs were only within that precinct and not a general command…

the killing of dogs in general was abrogated to killing only the black dogs and then it was abrogated to not killing any dogs whether it is black or not. Dogs could not be killed for no reason

The Prophet ordered the killing of these rabid dogs, there were no rabbi shots back then

en.allexperts.com/q/Islam-947/Hadeeth-killing-Dogs.htm
 
Why would a dog became an interesting and important subject for muhammed? It seems a waste of time for a man who wants to reveal more important issues of faith. Farting also. Would God really mind if a person fart during prayers? Is farting more important than the substance of your prayer? I heard that urinating is also allowed for husbands and order the wives to drink them, Is this true?
 
Salaam/peace

who told you so ? Another Islam basher ?
Probably something that you haven’t read - your own koran and hadiths. then there is sharia law - those laws overly concerned with how muslims go to the potty. Do you guys have potty police following you in the latrines to see if you do it properly? Or all the laws about how you have sex - do you have police following you into the bedroom too?

An article naming some sharia laws

Just keep in mind that we are totally aware of the fact that non-muslims who know your texts are considered bashers by muslims. They feel that the audacity of non-muslims to know is a bad thing (because we cannot be brainwashed!).
 
Muslim Woman, Salaam/ Peace
why ? what’s your problem with this hadith ?
I have no problem with this hadith but that is not the subject of our discussion. We are discussing the hadiths that instruct men to kill dogs. You know this.
u may read this ans.
Hadeeth about killing Dogs:
…The order was to kill biting rabid and voracious dogs… The killing of the rabid dogs also applied to other creatures and animals that were dangerous as well. e.g. wolves
You haven’t shown me this hadith, and even if you did produce one, it still is unrelated to our topic.
… hadith saying to kill all dogs except the ones used for hunting or guarding sheep. Other hadith stating that the killing of dogs have been abrogated except for the killing of black dogs …
Ordered killing of dogs except for protection of fields
I gave you these hadiths silly. Now you are paraphrasing them back to me and still not addressing them.
Hadith Showing Dogs Not Being Killed
They used to see dogs urinating on the floor of the mosque and they just sprinkled water on the spot, they didn’t go and kill the dog. (Saheeh Bukhari: Volume 001, Book 004, Hadith Number 174)
That doesn’t change the fact that at one point, an order was given to kill all dogs.
…Should We Go Around Killing Dogs Today?
As for the hadith of (Saheeh Muslim: Book 024, Number 5248) the order to kill the dogs were only within that precinct and not a general command…
the killing of dogs in general was abrogated to killing only the black dogs and then it was abrogated to not killing any dogs whether it is black or not. Dogs could not be killed for no reason

The Prophet ordered the killing of these rabid dogs, there were no rabbi shots back then
This is off-topic.
You are side-stepping. You conveniently chose to ignore hadiths that sound harsh, and push them out of your mind, and then focus solely on other hadiths that show dogs in a better light. Meanwhile, you are ignoring the bigger picture. Muhammad said his ‘angel’ would not visit him if there was a dog there. Muslims are not permitted to enter a house that has a picture or a dog in it.
If you look at the whole context, then you will notice that in fact, there was a controversy with dogs. And he did at one point order his men to kill all the dogs in his area.
But, this is why I gave up debating with Muslims, because you do not address the topic head on. When it is uncomfortable for you you just change the topic to …dogs urinating on Mosque floors. Or, should we kill dogs today?
Its like the bible says, you have ears but you don’t hear. You have eyes but you don’t see.
It’s impossible to have a conversation with someone who will not stay on topic and address the points raised.
 
Salaam/peace
… Muslims are not permitted to enter a house that has a picture or a dog in it…
Muslims must be careful about those acts which may lead them to greater sin .

Creating image / making statue may lead people to commit shirk / blasphemy. Buddhist , Christians are not allowed to make statue/idols & bow in front of those idols but sadly they are doing this.

May be Prophet told Muslims not to make images of human or any living being so that they can stay from that bigger sin— shirk.

About dogs keeping inside the home…hygenic reasons are there ( may be some other reasons , too). Dog’s saliva etc could be harmful for us . We can keep them outside the res .
 
Salaam/peace

Muslims must be careful about those acts which may lead them to greater sin .

Creating image / making statue may lead people to commit shirk / blasphemy. Buddhist , Christians are not allowed to make statue/idols & bow in front of those idols but sadly they are doing this.

May be Prophet told Muslims not to make images of human or any living being so that they can stay from that bigger sin— shirk.

About dogs keeping inside the home…hygenic reasons are there ( may be some other reasons , too). Dog’s saliva etc could be harmful for us . We can keep them outside the res .
At least we don’t worship rocks - huh?! Or a moon god - a great big, old rock revolving around our earth that has the personality of a violent, old man - mohammed. but, the koran - your god’s word - didn’t even know that, did it? It didn’t know that the moon revolved around the earth, or the earth revolved around the sun. it seems that allah was stupid about its own creation.

Tabari I:236 “‘When the sun rises upon its chariot from one of those springs it is accompanied by 360 angels with outspread wings… When Allah wishes to test the sun and the moon, showing His servants a sign and thereby getting them to obey, the sun tumbles from the chariot and falls into the deep end of that ocean. When Allah wants to increase the significance of the sign and frighten His servants severely, all of the sun falls and nothing of it remains in the chariot. That is a total eclipse of the sun. It is a misfortune for the sun.’”

And it is ok to kill, steal, rape, beat up and lie to, kidnap and force to convert, enslave and rape non-muslims - just don’t look at a statue.

The more you guys post about islam the more inane islam becomes.

Shirk to me is believing that one would follow islam, a false god - a moon god that requires people to go and worship a stone.
 
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