SERIOUS NFP/Fertility statistics data-websites

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TheLittleLady said:
It might be worth it for our original poster @anicette to check with Billings, they are in Europe already
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Thank you, I´ll check it - but on the first glance I also didn´t saw a german trainer. I also don´t really see a significant difference to senisplan, but it´s worth checking out. Maybe the trainer I hopefully see soon from senisplan can take a look on it.
It´s really lovely how you all help me here with sources and answers. Thank you. In some way, it´s also sad that this is such a wasteland here.
 
Oohh…that’s hard…😥

I think in your situation, it could be an idea to learn for yourself and try to established a chart and then go to see the nfp expert in the catholic hosptital to answers your questions see how your chart and have a proper training.

Yes, temperature will not give you immediate results in term of fertility, because his prupose is to define post fertile phase and prevent fertility, or to be sure that an ovulatin had occur (in fertility diagostic). It not help directlty to conceive.

But as you have truly regular cycles, it can help for the nexts cycle, by anticipation.
But you cannot see the exact day of ovulation with it. Contrary to what I have read on many many french secular sources, the lower day of BBT (which is called the nadir) is not always the ovulation day. It can be just before or just after.

Mucus, cervix and ovulation tests are more exact.
alice24 said:
Yes I meant cervix. It was clearly easy to watch years ago, now I have not the average ovariol symptoms anymore, only more libido in the middle of the cycles is there.
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I have the same problems as you… you are not alone.

When I have 19 or 20 years old, It was easy to observe mucus, now it is harder and harder… And very very difficult while trying (at 27 years old…and after…). Perhaps the age, and no more physical exercice which help to see sensation…

I also believe that I have an hormonal problem, I think PCOS, even if I don’t want a diagostic. But I had conceive two time in more than 3 years of marriage, so not so bad! 😄

Yeh, French is also a medical NFP wastland! Your idea is very good! 😀😀
Very few doctors are trained to that or even know the medthods…

It is not taken seriously. The doctors, even the most proeminent and mediatic gynecologists speak of “Rythm method” which “don’t work”, “lead to baby boom”, and “just only approove by the pope, but cannot be instruct by doctors, as it is a medical joke”. (in the most famous french newspaper!)

But some information are going to be delivered, since the pill crisis. And at least a journalist have made a book in the subject.

the ressources are provided by volunteers couples (Biilings) or persons. And a few associations of catholic spirit.

I have an idea… I know a young german priest, who seems traditionalist in my former youth group… I will see if he can provide some information.
You live in Berlin area, isn’t it?
 
I don’t know sensiplan, but you said it is a symptothermal method.

Billings is a mucus only method. Just check the mucus only and external. No internal exploration.
 
alice24 said:
Ahh, ok! Exactly this mucus is not really suitable for tracking anymore in my case. Some years ago it changed sgnifically over the cycle, now it´s just a difference in the feel (wet and dry),not really a fertility sign…
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hard…

But a sensation is already something important
 
Anicette said:
Oohh…that’s hard…😥

I think in your situation, it could be an idea to learn for yourself and try to established a chart and then go to see the nfp expert in the catholic hosptital to answers your questions see how your chart and have a proper training.
Yes, I think so. I downloaded the senisplan charts to have a start and will do this on my own for the first time.
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> More the region Jena / Gera/ Weimar, this is more in the south east - but at least, I would be happy for every information.
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Ah, the postin function maked me mad. Hope you can read it, my passages in cursive. The book sounds interesting! Have you already read it?

I have to say, whatever will go on with this, this thread has calmed me down in the last days and gave me the opportunity to put things in context /relax a little bit. Thank you.
 
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you’ re welcome!
alice24 said:
I downloaded the senisplan charts to have a start and will do this on my own for the first time.
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😀

For the ultrasound to show something, I think It should be done closer or a few day before the ovulation, isn’t it? You will see that with your doctor!

Yes, for PCOS or syndrome closer, ovulation tests are not accurate, according to Clear blue itself…😥
alice24 said:
> That´s interesting. I always thought france would be better informed on this. I take a (alternative) medicine for the issue that in france is paid and accepted by all health care institutions - not so in germany. My doctor often complained that frenc studies are more state of the art than german ones.
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Homeopathie, perhaps?

Yes, I think that German studies are more scientistics, and perhaps rigourous. At least it is as we, French see Germans!

Did I have unsderstand properly what you said? (sorry, I have something difficulties to understand the English!)

You are perhaps true, that there is better information available in France on NFP. On that French people are aware, because they are not, but there is at least some ressources, even “amateurs one”, because not always done by professionels health but practicing couples, even if some have medical training. For exemple, on the parish, there is a couple who is Billings instructor, both doctor and nurse… but they have no people who see them for this…

It seems it is more difficult to find information in Germany…as you have some difficult to find perhaps because of a less favorable catholic context…

But for me, there is more professional ressources in the US, such as doctor, even if the country is bigger, so there is no ressources available everywhere…

But at least, there is more French that practiced NFP than American, but often, some rythm method…

I will continue soon, sorry
 
Sometimes websites don’t get updated, I’d suggest an email or call to one of the European offices.
 
Alice24,

I have got an answer from the german priest. He does’nt have any contact in the region, but give you this website with contacts by areas:

http://www.nfp-online.com/?page_id=4074

The book is not a book which can learn a method, but an investigation by a french journalist on women who stopped the pill. And the side effect of the pill. She is herself a symptothermal practitionner.
Most have choose IUD,but some a nfp method. They are very educated women. So not representative of the population.

Sabrina Debusquat, J’ai arrêté la pillule.
https://jarretelapilule.fr/

It has not been seen well everywhere in the media, and some experts or journalists accused her of biais, especially as they said natural methods are not reliable.
 
“Anicette said:
Homeopathie, perhaps?
No, a combination of myo-inositol and folic acid. It´s relatively well tested in europe instead of germany.
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You are perhaps true, that there is better information available in France on NFP. On that French people are aware, because they are not, but there is at least some ressources, even “amateurs one”, because not always done by professionels health but practicing couples, even if some have medical training. For exemple, on the parish, there is a couple who is Billings instructor, both doctor and nurse… but they have no people who see them for this…
Yes, the theme is widely ignored here even among christians. The majority of people in the parishes I attended were over the child bearing age and there was simply no interest in forming information centers.
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Thank you so much for asking him. I know the website he told you, it´s one of the senisplan based information sides - I got the adress I already cntacted from their site.
As I would like to practice my french, I think I will check out the book - I recently rediscovered some family members in france and now I really need to practice my language skills again 😃
 
TheLittleLady said:
Sometimes websites don’t get updated, I’d suggest an email or call to one of the European offices.
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This is a good idea, I will do this. I can´t imagine that there´s really not a single person in germany with billings experience and training.
 
Alice24,

I was almost sure that you had already this information. I had already see this page before…

Is this page of the Order of Malta is based only on Sensiplan? 😉🤣

I have not read this book, only the wesbsite. Can you give me a feed back when you have read this?
 
Yes, It seems to have no Billing trained person in European German area…

Can you feed back too if you found a new information? We are curious, and possibly Little Lady too!
 
Well, a little update to NFP in germany and the book of the french author Sabrina Debusquat:
I got an answer from the - as it seems - only registered NFP trainer for my county (she herself knows no other organisation) and they work only with senisplan. They cooperate with a gyn center at a catholic hospital some hours away, and they educate new trainers in senisplan. Marquette seems so be not existent and other methods are not even listed here. The Lady offered me to bring my own data and have her a second look on it, was very kind, but caused by my mail, she told me that the trainees they offer wouldn´t give me any new information. There´s hardly any interest of new people teaching the methods here, what is really sad :roll_eyes:
The book is really interesting (and good to know, I can understand it with my bad french :D) even if very secular. positive is the neutral to fact-based style (she gives footnotes with reliable medicinic studies of differnet countries) but don´t miss to adress personal experiences. She adresses side effects as well as social dynamics (the pill as misogyne mechanism, being open to fertility as opposite to bad labour circumstances). On the negative side is her view of the religious preference of NFP over the pill as she sees the avoidance of hormonal contraception as “the wish to ead the women where they belonged in the past”. She doesn´t realize the mental and spiritual sides of natural sexuality. BUT, I skip this, and still think she did a good work, especially because she takes the necessary discussion to a wider crowd a church near author maybe couldn´t have.
 
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Thank you!! 🙂 I think I will check my own senisplan data with the lady here and learn another method to decide what´s better fitting for me. At least, I have to say I simply got interested in the differences and to know it better. I was always a bit of a data nerd:sweat_smile:
 
thanks you for the review of the book!

It is very sad that some organization or people are not interested to have new people teaching the method. When they will stopped, how will resume more? I supposed that few people are interested to learn the methods, and the people who are interested, like you, find many impediments…
 
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