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My wife and I have tried this and we didn’t like what we saw at the nudist club. These people are mostly in the new age movement and some are pagans, Some worship mother earth.
So this can’t be from God. Thanks be to God for showing this to us and prayers from the faithful. May God bless you all.
 
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Dear friend

It’s all in the INTENT and knowing what is and what is not an occassion of sin for you personally.

God Bless you and much love and peace to you

Teresa
Not quite. It isn’t all about you or me. We are to love one another - in a fallen world. Nudity leads to temptation for some - regardless of the intentions of the nudist. The nudist, however, does bear full responsibility for knowing that their nudity carries with it a burden for others. It is irrelevent that this reality is “not your fault”. Out of love for them and in recognition of the burden that nudity places on weaker members of the body of Christ, the nudist should refrain from public nudity.
And come to think of it, what’s the downside exactly?

Phil
 
First of all, most folks that claim to be into nudist activities make me laugh as they are folks I would never want to see naked even under the best of circumstances…but getting past that…
Gen.2
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] And the man and his wife were both naked, and were not ashamed.

I think some people tend to believe that being a nudist gets them closer to Adam and Eve in their pre-fallen state. That in itself is would be okay if Adam and Eve never fell…but they did. We do have a moral obligation to be aware that our actions can lead others to sin.

Case in point…every time a young woman in low rise jeans flashes here whale tail I really want to give her an atomic wedgie. I don’t want to see your underwear. I don’t want the impurity of thought that it can lead to. I especially don’t want to see it if you’re in the pew in front of me at mass.
 
They are inviting other people to sin, plain and simple.

I’m just guessing, but I think it’s a good guess, that there are people who spend a lot of time photographing such gatherings, from inside or outside. How would your friends feel about having pictures of themselves appearing on internet voyeur sites? How would they feel knowing that teen boys were masturbating to their pictures, and teen girls were giggling at them?
 
Hello,
It appears to me that many people here are very misinformed on this topic. The Catholic Church has never stated any official teaching on the topic of nudism and it is reprehensible for some people to state their opinions as Church law. But even moreso, it is worse for people to think they know more than our priests. Men who have devoted their lives to the church ought to know what they are talking about when their parishoners seek advice. And once you start doubting them on one topic, where will it end? Too often people tend to think that nudism is only about sex. A bunch of people romping around naked in the woods . . . I know I probably would. But, consider when you face the unknown, it is better to learn and become knowledgeable about that which you face rather than building a battle strategy on rumors and innuendo. Christian naturism is very different from what one may expect. It embodies famial love, togetherness, as well as many other qualities which we as Catholics seek. Scientific studies have even shown that children raised in a nudist atmosphere are less likely to engage in sexual promiscuity or have an early pregnancy because they are more accepting their own body image as well as others. Let us remember that adorning the Sistine Chapel are dozens of portraits of the human body. If that had been unfavorable to the Pope, it probably would have been destroyed long ago. But instead, it is a testament endorsed by the Vatican that people can view the human person without lusting. And that is what nudists try to promote at home. If you don’t believe me, I suggest you search for yourself under: Christian Naturism. Now, I’m not here to make anybody become a nudist, but the next time this topic is discussed, I would like to see more truth and less speculation in the dialogue. Thanks for listening. gw
 
Chastity and Modesty

The virtue of modesty, in general, may be described as that virtue which prompts us to be decorous, proper, and reserved, in the way we dress, stand, walk, sit—in general in the way we behave exteriorly. This virtue of modesty bears a relation to other virtues besides that of chastity, especially to the virtue of humility. In a special manner, however, the virtue of modesty is particularly regarded as the guardian of chastity in thought, word, and action.
St. Thomas says that it is the virtue by which we rightly regulate our conduct in respect to those things that can lead to impure thoughts, desires, and actions, in ourselves and in others. He says that, while chastity deals with the regulation of difficult things, powerful passions and strong desires for pleasure, modesty deals with the regulation of easy things, the remote and proximate occasions and conditions that lead to unholy desires. Thus we see that modesty is a virtue allied to the virtue of temperance, or the general habit of self-restraint.
It is this virtue of modesty, in its relation to chastity, which prompted the Holy Father to address himself to the Bishops of the world, through the Sacred Congregation of the Council, and to remind them that “it is altogether imperative to admonish and exhort, in whatever ways seem most apt, people of all stations, but particularly youth, to avoid the dangers of this kind of vice which is so directly opposed and potentially so hazardous to Christian and civic virtue. ‘How beautiful then is modesty and what a gem among virtues it is!’ Therefore, let it not be offended or violated by the easy allurements and attractions of vices which arise from that manner of dressing and from other actions what we have mentioned above and which decent people can but lament.” Again, in his encyclical letter on Holy Virginity, our Holy Father writes about modesty: “Educators of the young would render a more valuable and useful service, if they would inculcate in youthful minds the precepts of Christian modesty, which is so important for the preservation of perfect chastity, and which is truly called the prudence of chastity. For, modesty foresees threatening danger, forbids us to expose ourselves to risks, demands the avoidance of those occasions which the imprudent do not shun. It does not like impure or loose talk, it shrinks from the slightest immodesty, it carefully avoids suspect familiarity with persons of the other sex. . . . He who possesses the treasure of Christian modesty abominates every sin of impurity and instantly flees whenever he is tempted by its seductions.”

Thanks for pointing this out to me. I’m an artist and I often wondered about the “thin line” of what is obscene and the occasion to sin or the temptation thereof… It’s very clear to me why nude sessions are private compared to the public nudity “freedom of expression” . Whenever I draw or paint a nude model, it’s very academic for me, and in that respect necessary to learn in my profession as an artist, but at the same time I know not to pay attention to lewdness and the obscene in nature…but as I said it is a thin line and now since I read this article, the line is drawn…

“Whether we are conscious of it or not, we are influenced by the books, magazines, and papers which we read, and all of these leave their imprint on us as individuals…”
“Our imagination is the power which we have of making mental pictures of the material universe. The imagination can reproduce whatever our senses have experienced, …either as those sense experiences came originally through the senses, or in any variety of combinations. The imagination cannot make pictures of what the senses cannot experience. Obviously, then, the picture-making power of the imagination is in direct proportion to the stimulation of the senses. Now, as a result of original sin, the imagination of man constantly tends to get out of hand. It is a commonplace of experience how the imagination can storm the will by conjuring up pictures to solicit and entice; and it is likewise commonplace to experience the interference of the imagination in the process of thinking by way of distraction, or by censoring or substituting for whatever the intellect is to accept.”

“Now, the moral and mental attack made by much of the current literature is well calculated to promote the advance of irreligion and atheism, and thus also foster communism. …”

"Thus are our national morals sabotaged and our nation’s moral tone brought lower and lower. "

Thanks again for showing this article! 👍
 
Have you ever seen practicing nudists? It ain’t pretty. For me it doesn’t even raise to the level of a moral question. Lol.
 
Clothing customs and taboos are not universal across all cultures. There are many cultures in which which nudity or partial nudity is neither considered unusual nor sexually provocative, at least in certain situations which may include social situations. This is probably not the case with many people on this forum, and for those whose conditioning associates nudity with sexuality, social nudity may represent a near occasion of sin which they should avoid.

That being said, however, not everyone is conditioned to react to nudity as being unsuitable for recreational activities even in social situations, or that it must always or even ever be associated with sexual behavior. While I have never partipated in any nude activities in a mixed social group, I have in private and in all-male groups.

I don’t know if this is still the case, but when I was in high school, no swimsuits were allowed in the pool. All the class swam nude. I think it was for hygiene reasons. Yes, it did seem a little weird at first, but that lasted no more than a few minutes. You just stopped noticing any more than you noticed people’s knees or noses. But I did notice, and I do distinctly remember noticing, that swimming without a swimsuit was easier and much more comfortable than swimming with one. During summers on the beach when I was laying out in the sun after a dip, all dry and comfortable from the warm breeze except for those cold, wet trunks with the sand trapped inside, I remember thinking on more than one occasion how stupid it was that I had to wear them and how much more comfortable I would be if I could just shuck them and be done with it.

I never did that that next logical step and take off my swinsuit, not because I thought there would have been anything wrong or provocative with my doing so, I just didn’t want to get arrested. Nor would I have been bothered if anyone else would have done so. I had swam nude with males before and I had seen the naked female body in National Geographic. The nude African or Polynesian men, women, and children shown there were not provocative because they were not behaving provocatively. They were just behaving normally, which in their case also meant being unclothed. The women and girls on our beach were also behaving normally for where they were and were for all practical purposes nearly as nude as the women in National Geographic. If any of them had decided to remove their wet swimsuits it probably would have seemed weird to me for a few minutes, just like those first few minutes that first day of swimming class, then no more.

I do understand that there are some people, probabably the majority in our culture, who themselves or whose spouses or families may be especially fixated on nudity and sexuality, and that those people might be bothered, offended, or tempted in a socially nude environment. It would be wrong to subject such people to this. But not all people are saddled with this baggage, and if any are able to find a beach or other suitable location, either alone or with others who do not find nudity offensive, and where they will not intrude on others who do, I hope they may enjoy the comfort I could not.
 
I have 3 Scriptures.

Matthew 5:28 “What I say to you is: anyone who looks lustfully at a woman has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”

Romans 14:13 (in part) “You should resolve to put no stumbling block or hindrance in your brother’s way.”

1 Timothy 2:9 (in part) “the women must deport themselves properly. They should dress modestly and quietly…”

Any man who would parade his wife around naked in public doesn’t deserve to have a wife! Let me say this in no uncertain terms. There is NOTHING beneficial about a husband and wife going to a nudist colony, and even more deplorable if they would bring their kids. Culture is irrelevant. Wrong is wrong. God didn’t say, “You shall not commit adultery,unless your spouse agrees to it and it is considered acceptable in your culture.” Why give the devil a chance to tempt you or your wife? Remember, part of the Act of Contrition is, “I firmly resolve with the help of Your grace to sin no more and to avoid the near occasion of sin.” (Emphasis Mine)
 
I agree with those who say its wrong and for all the reasons already posted, so I won’t bother going over all that again.

I think “intentions” can change very quickly and people who work to find a way around the wrongness of it all are kidding themselves.

So for them I hope they get an eyeful of pasty white cellulite and jiggly flab. Bring some disinfectant for the seats. Enjoy!👍
 
Let’s see, a bunch of people, male and female, get together nude. Yet they have no intention of looking at one another sexually in any way. The thought of seeing so-and-so nude never crosses thier mind. They’re into it purely for the freedom the nudity provides them. They simply like the feel of not having clothes on thier body. They like it so much they actuall organized and made this into a community and a social gathering.

Yeahhhhhh riiiiight!
Just because you can’t look at a naked person of the opposite sex without lusting, doesn’t mean that others can’t
Exactly my feelings. Although things may not be sin or bad in themselves, why should they be done if they don’t lead to good?–nicolo
I watch sport. That’s not good or bad either. It doesn’t particularly lead to good, but (I suspect) like sunbathing nude, walking nude, playing sport nude it is relaxing and enjoyable. Should I give up watching sport?
The book is the theology of the body writings or lectures from JP2. He talks about the dignity in marriage as a vocation and teaches us to love our (spouses). He never talked about little nudist colony swinger parties. That type of behavior is the exact opposite of everything JP2 instructed us on.

-D
1/ it is highly ignorant and offensive to refer to little nudist colony swinger parties
2/ Both sides of this debate quote the late Pope to advance their case. Both sides could be right. BUT. He knew about nudist beaches and nudist clubs. He knew that some Catholics would attend these places and yet he never explicitly condemned them. Unless you can show otherwise, that is the only FACT in this. He certainly didn’t leave any doubts in his condemnation of other things such as abortion. Nobody with even a degree of intelligence could possibly claim he accepted abortion. Why not a similar statement for naturism?


I am certainly not an experienced naturist, though I do feel far more relaxed when naked, and look to this forum to help me make a decision. Whilst there are some good arguments on both sides, those of you who condemn make a far less convincing case than those who accept.
 
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