Sermon by Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer - SSPX

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What’s it on? The SSPX-Rome agreement or something else?
 
ImmaculataFides said:
What’s it on? The SSPX-Rome agreement or something else?
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Yes.

My commentary of salient points I instant-messaged to my pro-SSPX friend while listening to Fr. Pfeiffer’s sermon:
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me:
I’m listening to the Pfeiffer Philippines sermon now
wow
he is quite passionate
combination of passion and tears
he criticizes Fellay
for thinking that SP was an answer to our prayers
he really makes SP seem like an insult
Benedict XVI gives permission to say TLM
but he doesn’t need to give it!
but nevertheless he says you have to accept the New Mass…
“the blessed Virgin does not except the true sacrifice of her Son as something extraordinary”
(namely, rare)
exceptional
and he speaks about how Lefebvre and Mayer remain excommunicated
that is a good
point
doesn’t that basically mean Rome considers them in hell?
Fr. Pfeifer thinks that Pope Benedict will choose the new SSPX bishops under the current preamble
i also like how he said these talks need to be public because matters of faith should not be hid under a bushel
he also thinks “No new structures without permission of diocesan bishops”
LOL
he uses a good example
of those who say “I do” in front of priest and altar
and how they don’t come back 7 years later asking for permission to still be married
that’s essentially what the SSPX priests would have to do
according to Pfeifer
i like how he mentions how priests can be adulterers, live in sin
they are living a lie
and just like those who cohabitate, their children are illegitimate
so priests who are adulterers (who live with truth mingled with error) cannot have children of faith
New Mass is a bastard Mass
in which a Catholic priest celebrates Protestant rites
wow
Lefebvre said that?
wow
250 bishops said “We will stand firm against the council”?
at the council’s end?
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Well, there is some stuff in there I don’t agree with, especially the statement that “Cardinal” Ratzinger spent his life trying to destroy tradition. Whatever our Pope believed then, he has definitely changed some of his viewpoints since becoming Pope.

There is one point I found interesting.

Fr. Pfeiffer said that when the founder of the Institute of Christ the King wanted approval, the then Cardinal Ratzinger said that he first had to concelebrate the OF with him in Rome. He also mentioned that someone who wanted to be an Abbot of a monastery had to agree to concelebrate in order to get the title of Abbot.

I have no idea if these claims can be substantiated, but it made me wonder if as part of the agreement, and as a sign that Bishop Lefebvre considers the OF to be perfectly valid, he will have to agree to concelebrate at least once. :eek:
 
I have no idea if these claims can be substantiated, but it made me wonder if as part of the agreement, and as a sign that Bishop Lefebvre considers the OF to be perfectly valid, he will have to agree to concelebrate at least once. :eek:
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That would only mean that there will be no agreement. That particular point is one that was absolutely non-negotiable for Archbishop Lefebvre and no SSPX bishop would agree to it.
 
TrueLight said:
I have no idea if these claims can be substantiated, but it made me wonder if as part of the agreement, and as a sign that Bishop Lefebvre considers the OF to be perfectly valid, he will have to agree to concelebrate at least once. :eek:
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Oops! I meant Bishop Fellay! I wonder if he will have to concelebrate.
 
wasserfall said:
That would only mean that there will be no agreement. That particular point is one that was absolutely non-negotiable for Archbishop Lefebvre and no SSPX bishop would agree to it.
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Would Bishop Fellay concelebrate once as a sign of faith if he was promised he will never have to do it again? I am not so confident, based on the recent videos, that the answer would be no.
 
TrueLight said:
Would Bishop Fellay concelebrate once as a sign of faith if he was promised he will never have to do it again? I am not so confident, based on the recent videos, that the answer would be no.
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He would never do such a thing.

If for no other reason that it would mean that almost no one in the SSPX would follow him in that case. He might as well just leave the SSPX and join the IBP or some other group.
 
ProVobis said:
Is this even authentic? Dogs barking in the background?
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It appears so. If you do a google search on “Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer SSPX” you will find a link to another forum where a user states that Fr Pfeiffer has been celebrating Mass in the US by Fr Rostand who is the District Superior for the US.

This user claims to have this from the mouth of Fr Pfeiffer.

So it seems that the battle lines are being drawn within the SSPX over reconciliation not that I doubted such a thing was going to occur though I have been praying that it would not.
 
TrueLight said:
Would Bishop Fellay concelebrate once as a sign of faith if he was promised he will never have to do it again? I am not so confident, based on the recent videos, that the answer would be no.
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There is one thing that they (the SSPX that is) will have to do is that they will not be able to restrict any of their priests from concelebrating the OF if they ever wish to.

The FSSP tried this and it caused a huge issue.
 
ByzCath said:
There is one thing that they (the SSPX that is) will have to do is that they will not be able to restrict any of their priests from concelebrating the OF if they ever wish to.

The FSSP tried this and it caused a huge issue.
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As I said earlier to brother JR, this is a nonnegotiable issue for the SSPX.
They will never regularize under this condition. They see the treatment of the FSSP as a reason for continued resistance and without a guarantee that they will not be treated in the same way they will never regularize.
 
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