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aboverubies
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Daniel, dry those tears and just head on over to the Lewisham FSSP TLM and volunteer your services!
Envy is one of the seven deadly sins don’t forget!
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Envy is one of the seven deadly sins don’t forget!
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captaincoog
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Hi Nekic, your tag says Sydney Australia. Have you tried the Maternal Heart of Mary chapel at Lewisham?
FSSP masses throught the week and twice on Sunday.
Unrenovated High Altar, Schola, Incense, Gregorian Chant, Verpers, Asperges etc. In other words, a glimpse of Heaven!
If you like what you see in the link below, how about going along sometime and let us know what you think?
[www.maternalheart.org](www.maternalheart.org)
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LilyM
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Hate to quibble brother, don’t you mean St John Berchmans?
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LilyM
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Not a covered head to be seen :bigyikes: and plenty of slacks on women and casual clothes on young gents even :tsktsk:
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Missa_Solemnis
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Caesar
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Yes, I did get a nice thurible. The heavier it is, the easier to handle.
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aboverubies
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Observed from personal experience Lily?
Yes indeed, clothing (from head to toe) is not at the top of the list of importance at Maternal Heart Of Mary. (And at the other churches that the FSSP celebrate Mass in throughout the greater Sydney area.) The main focus is the celebration of the traditional latin Mass. The Mass is mostly spent kneeling down with one’s head in one’s missal so no one is taking much notice of attire anyway. Except for me - I spend most of my Masses standing up the back shushing our three little lads so I have a GREAT view of the congregation!
Head coverings? About 50% I think, give or take. It is not compulsory, it is entirely up to each woman to decide and no one will comment either way - I guarantee!
Slacks on women - absolutely no problem at all. Casual clothes?..I’d say there’s a wide range of clothing styles represented there, depending on people’s age, income etc. Most people seem to aim for “smart casual”…this is the TLM Aussie style after all!On our trips to the States we noticed that Americans were far more formal than us in many ways, including Mass attire. And from reading these forums it seems that some churches have quite strict dress codes. Nothing at all like that at a Sydney TLM. Some people like to dress a little more formally. My DH wears what he wears to the office - business shirt, business pants - he will be wearing this when he goes over to Lewisham tonight for the First Friday evening Mass. Most people will be dressed in work clothes, whether they’re a truckie or an investment banker, no matter, they’re just all excited to be there.
So anything as long as it’s modest is just fine.The only ones exempt from this are the Maternal Heart of Mary Liturgical Dance Team (aka the MHMLD’s) who are allowed to dress in orange boob tubes and see-through skirts.
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aboverubies
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Sorry! Just kidding…he he he…
The Maternal Heart of Mary Liturgical Dancers do of course dress modestly like the rest of the worshippers.
The Maternal Heart of Mary Liturgical Dancers do of course dress modestly like the rest of the worshippers.
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aboverubies
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Sorry…kidding again… …the Maternal Heart of Mary Liturgical Dancers are just a figment of my imagination. 
But I am thinking seriously of joining the Liturgical Committee and lobbying to bring them in.
…the Maternal Heart of Mary Liturgical Dancers are just a figment of my imagination. But I am thinking seriously of joining the Liturgical Committee and lobbying to bring them in.
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aboverubies
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O.K. sorry that was the last one I promise.
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brotherhrolf
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No. St John Neumann. I won an award in my parish back in 1962 for never missing a Mass I was assigned to serve. (Actually said award should have gone to my protestant father who drove meHate to quibble brother, don’t you mean St John Berchmans?
). I had to think about said award and went and pulled it. Bronze medallion on a wood base - “To a Faithful Altar Boy” (Image of St. John Neumann) "St. John Neumann - Patron Saint of Altar Boys. (There exists a possiblility that the Redemptorists might have tried to pull an end run. In New Orleans, the Redemptorists have two parishes right across the street from each other. One was Irish and the other German and I have ancestors who went to both. St. John Neumann was a Redemptorist).But this was 1962 when St. Christopher had not yet been pulled from the list of approved saints. Who knows? I do remember they tried to take St. Patrick off declaring him “fictional”.
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lak611
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St. Christopher has not been un-canonized. The new calendar just no longer has a Mass for his feast day. He’s still a saint.
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AJV
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He never had a Mass for his feast day-not even a collect. It was always taken entirely from the common where he was patron and where not he was only commemorated. As for the Office he was only mentioned at Lauds.
I would actually be quite interested in seeing what the Proper Matins lessons said if they exist.
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brotherhrolf
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I’m not so sure about this. There was a great deal of controversy back in the 70’s, I remember. This is from memory. I tried googling -“catholic controversy over saints 70s” with out any success. My brother freaked out because he had chosen St. Christopher as his patron saint when he was confirmed. And then they said St. Christopher was not a real person.
Mine was St. Patrick and I distinctly remember articles in our local Catholic newspaper (“The Clarion Herald”) from that time which stated that they couldn’t prove St. Patrick was a real human being or some such rot. I think the uproar from all us Irish types disabused them of that. This occurred right after Vatican II when everything was opened to questioning.
Mine was St. Patrick and I distinctly remember articles in our local Catholic newspaper (“The Clarion Herald”) from that time which stated that they couldn’t prove St. Patrick was a real human being or some such rot. I think the uproar from all us Irish types disabused them of that. This occurred right after Vatican II when everything was opened to questioning.
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AJV
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Yes quite a few were all banished from the calendar because of inadequate historical evidence or something. Of late however the Vatican has begun restoring some to the Universal calendar: St. Catherine for example, and St. Appolinarius. My mother remembers the priest coming to my grandmother’s house and telling her about St. Philomena (all the girls in my mother’s family have Philomena in their names). The picture was replaced by one of OL Perpetual Succour, but I saw it when I went there last-- black and white-- behind the picture of OL. I think that for some time, the feast of St. George couldn’t be celebrated (at least in India)-it was relatively recently that it was allowed. But he was restored to the LOTH with a collect.
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AJV
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Yes quite a few were all banished from the calendar because of inadequate historical evidence or something. Of late however the Vatican has begun restoring some to the Universal calendar: St. Catherine for example, and St. Appolinarius. My mother remembers the priest coming to my grandmother’s house and telling her about St. Philomena (all the girls in my mother’s family have Philomena in their names). The picture was replaced by one of OL Perpetual Succour, but I saw it when I went there last-- black and white-- behind the picture of OL. I think that for some time, the feast of St. George couldn’t be celebrated (at least in India)-it was relatively recently that it was allowed. But he was restored to the LOTH with a collect.
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brotherhrolf
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Hah, Squire Peter. My brother’s middle name is George. So both of his saints were under question. And it was a serious question back then.
I still can’t articulate to most of you how cataclysmic Vatican II was. What most folks today accept as the “norm” was anything else for us who went through it.
I still can’t articulate to most of you how cataclysmic Vatican II was. What most folks today accept as the “norm” was anything else for us who went through it.
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AJV
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Very interestingly the Wikipedia has this entry
But the missals and Propirums I have all have St. George as Principal Patron with a Douuble of the I Class with Common Octave-which is the rank given for Patronage. Aside from listing him as “Principal Patron of England”
Moreover, my LOTH copy lists St. George (Op. Memoria) and it was printed before 2000. The Proprium gives St. George as a Feast in E&W and again under the title of “Principal Patron”
But perhaps there is something since it now appears to be a solemnity.
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brotherhrolf
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St. George and England and all that. Me, I think St. Dunstan of Cantwaraburh (Cantebury by way of Glastonburh) should be patron saint of England. It was his name which was cried at the Battle of Hastings when the huscarles fought against the Normans, not St. George. St. Dunstan is an authentic Saxon saint. Brother Hrolf to this day still remembers St. Dunstan in his prayers.
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