Seventh day adventist won't eat meat

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My friend is a minister and she recently joined Seventh Day adventist church. We used to do lunch at least 2 times a month sometimes more. Now she says that meat is unclean and she can’t eat it. She is not sure why …she just knows she can’t because of her “religion”.I am a devout Catholic and I am concerned about my friend.
 
Adventists have strict dietary rules, many or most are vegetarians and their hospitals and doctors have done some of the major research work on vegetarian diets and health, and are generally good sources of reliable info on vegetarian diets and nutrition in general. I believe they cite biblical sources for these rules, but do back it up with science. Without making any commentary on your friend’s religious beliefs, she can certainly follow a vegetarian diet without harming her health. DH has been vegetarian for 20 years and has the arteries, muscles, build and blood tests of a much younger man. don’t know how many vegetarian Republican golfing Catholics there are, but he is one of them.
 
I was a SDA for a few years and what I miss the most was the pot luck social’s YUMMMY food.

Rabit anti-catholic however. I would be more concerned about your friends spiritual health.
 
I once attended a protestant church that rented space in an SDA church. I recall reading some of their tracts and they all cited the Mosaic dietary laws (primarily Leviticus) in their prohibition against pork etc.
 
I still don’t get why they have Holy day on Saturday. My friend refuses to have any kind of a social life on Saturday.How can I fight for her…she is a fallen away Catholic, married with 2 teen age daughters. She is becoming more distant and I feel helpless.
 
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joyfulmess:
My friend is a minister and she recently joined Seventh Day adventist church. We used to do lunch at least 2 times a month sometimes more. Now she says that meat is unclean and she can’t eat it. She is not sure why …she just knows she can’t because of her “religion”.I am a devout Catholic and I am concerned about my friend.
Moderate SDA’s will eat chicken, fish, and beef, but absolutely no pork or shellfish (they often learn to look for the “K” stamped on certain foods which certify such products as ‘kosher’, not prepared with pork or other forbidden products. I hasten to add that Adventists don’t actually ‘keep Kosher’ as conservative or Orthodox Jewish folks might–they simply want to avoid certain products they believe the Bible has proscribed, and the “K” syymbol helps them to do this).

More strict Adventists abstain from ALL meat–typically they are lacto-ovo vegetarians–on the understanding that this was how humans were originally supposed to eat. (In Genesis 9, following the Flood, Noah and his family are given explicit permission to consume meat. Adventists assume from this passage that meat was not consumed prior to this and that this dispensation to consume meat was given because the flood had wiped out most of the edible herbiage). In the book of Daniel, the young Daniel and his friends declined to eat the king’s delicacies and ate only vegetables, becoming healthier than those Jewish boys who did eat of the king’s meat. These are just two of the passages most commonly used by Adventists to recommend vegetarianism as the most-Biblical diet. I think it’s a considerable stretch but there y’are.

Vegetarianism, if done properly, is scarcely dangerous–actually it is quite healthful so long as one takes care to ensure that one consumes sufficient varieties of the right foods to enable the human body to synthesize usable protein. Vegetable proteins tend to be ‘incomplete’ proteins and one must consume two or more vegetable products which contain whatever the body needs to build them into a ‘complete’ protein. Sorry, I don’t quite know the science of the process well enough to explain it better. I do know that while beans and rice each are high in crude protein–your body could not extract enough protein from either product, consumed by itself, to meet your daily need for protein. If you prepare a dish containing BOTH beans AND rice however–your body will take what it needs from each food and produce ample protein for daily needs. Like assembling a jigsaw puzzle, I guess.

If your friend isn’t aware of all of this she is likely not educating herself enough about diet and nutrition to be dabbling in vegetarianism–never mind the Seventh-day Adventist aspect. Actually, Adventists have led the way for years in producing appetizing and healthful vegetarian foods. Kellogg’s Corn Flakes and Post Cereal were each created by Seventh-day Adventists. (Both Mr. Kellogg and Mr. Post eventually left the SDA movement, but it was their association with Adventism which led them to create those cereals).
 
flameburns623, Thanks, that information helps a lot to understand what my friend is getting involved in. I think what bothers me the most is the fact that she wasn’t a vegetarian until she started going to the Seventh Day church. Now I understand what I suspected was happening, the members of the church are not allowed to eat meat. Somehow they have convinced her that even by having lunch with me (a Catholic) is “extremely unhealthy for her” (her words ) So I’m starting to get the picture.(I am not a vegetarian). I think it’s great to keep our bodies healthy, our bodies are temples of the Lord, I just find it bothersome that to belong to a certain church you HAVE to do it.
 
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I still don’t get why they have Holy day on Saturday. My friend refuses to have any kind of a social life on Saturday.How can I fight for her…she is a fallen away Catholic, married with 2 teen age daughters. She is becoming more distant and I feel helpless.
Many passages in the Old Testament extol the seventh-day Sabbath with high praise and speak of it as an eternal sign given by God. There is no absolutely clear abolition of the Sabbath in the New Testament and many of the passages commonly used for this purpose presuppose what they intend to prove–for example, it is assumed that the “Lord’s Day” mentioned several times in Scripture was Sunday, but one cannot prove this from the Scripture itself. In fact, one New Testament Passage suggest that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, suggesting to Adventists that the “Lord’s Day” and the “Sabbath” are synonymous. Also, although the ‘first day of the week’ appears several times in Scripture, these passages are often exegeted to read into them things which might not have been intended by first-century Christians if those Christians were Sabbath-keepers.

Two passages give the strongest argument for not making the Sabbath a test of fellowship as Adventists would like to do: Romans 14: 1-23 and Colossians 2:16-23. Both suggest that Christians are at liberty to honor Christ on whatever day they choose. From this foundation one can argue backwards to the idea that Sunday–the day upon which Christ rose from the dead–has been sanctified by that Resurrection far beyond even God’s sanctification of the Seventh Day by resting upon it after completing His Creation. One can also note that Hebrews 4 stresses that the Christian’s rest is not in a temporal day: our rest is in Christ.

Hope this helps!
 
You can continue to love your friend, pray for her, and be her friend. You can still invite her to lunch. I am sure you can find some good vegetarian recipes to cook for her, if that was your habit, or if you were in the habit of going out, you might switch to a more vegetarian-friendly restaurant, or perhaps your friend might be able to suggest a place.

I would think the best kind of witness is to love her and be positive. Talk about your own faith in a positive way rather than being critical and negative about Seventh-Day Adventism.
 
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flameburn623, Thanks, that information helps a lot to understand what my friend is getting involved in. I think what bothers me the most is the fact that she wasn’t a vegetarian until she started going to the Seventh Day church. Now I understand what I suspected was happening, the members of the church are not allowed to eat meat. Somehow they have convinced her that even by having lunch with me (a Catholic) is “extremely unhealthy for her” (her words ) So I’m starting to get the picture.(I am not a vegetarian). I think it’s great to keep our bodies healthy, our bodies are temples of the Lord, I just find it bothersome that to belong to a certin church you HAVE to do it.
Please read the passage in Romans that I cited. It clearly stresses that we are not to be judging one another with regard to what we eat or drink. There are several parallel passages on the same topic. Galatians 4:10; I Corinthans 8: 8-13; Matthew 15: 11-17; Mark 7: 14-19; Acts 10: 10-15. I think the context of Scripture as a whole strongly argues that while we might choose to eat or drink a certain way for personal reasons of health, no particular diet is prescribed or circumscribed for the Christian believer.

I’ll betcha a donut 😛 that someone at Catholic Answers has written about Seventh-day Adventists. They have historically been explicitly anti-Catholic–the office of the Papacy is considered the ‘little horn’ of the Book of Daniel–e.g. the Antichrist–though Adventists stop short of saying that particular popes are themselves the Antichrist.
 
Steve, thanks so much for those wonderful words of wisdom. I am a worry wart for sure! Losing friends is not easy for me. I have always believed that the friends I have are here because Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ brought them my way. I pray for them as much as I do for my own family. :love:
 
People hate on SDA’S but they all know they speak the truth,they go to church the right day and all,go past traditional beliefs and look at the real.

in his grace…
 
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kidrome:
go past traditional beliefs and look at the real.
This is a false dichostomy. Traditional beliefs are the real. In fact, we know they are real because they are what Christians have traditionally believed beginning with the Apostles themselves 👍
 
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flameburns623:
Many passages in the Old Testament extol the seventh-day Sabbath with high praise and speak of it as an eternal sign given by God. There is no absolutely clear abolition of the Sabbath in the New Testament and many of the passages commonly used for this purpose presuppose what they intend to prove–for example, it is assumed that the “Lord’s Day” mentioned several times in Scripture was Sunday, but one cannot prove this from the Scripture itself. In fact, one New Testament Passage suggest that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, suggesting to Adventists that the “Lord’s Day” and the “Sabbath” are synonymous. Also, although the ‘first day of the week’ appears several times in Scripture, these passages are often exegeted to read into them things which might not have been intended by first-century Christians if those Christians were Sabbath-keepers.

Two passages give the strongest argument for not making the Sabbath a test of fellowship as Adventists would like to do: Romans 14: 1-23 and Colossians 2:16-23. Both suggest that Christians are at liberty to honor Christ on whatever day they choose. From this foundation one can argue backwards to the idea that Sunday–the day upon which Christ rose from the dead–has been sanctified by that Resurrection far beyond even God’s sanctification of the Seventh Day by resting upon it after completing His Creation. One can also note that Hebrews 4 stresses that the Christian’s rest is not in a temporal day: our rest is in Christ.

Hope this helps!
Actually, the Apostles “broke bread” on Sunday (the first day of the week). Acts 2:42. As we know Christ was crucified on Good Friday and rose from the dead on Sunday, we “break the bread” (have Mass) on Sunday because we believe in the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

Also, as most western nations abstain from work on Saturday and Sunday, I don’t really see how “keeping the Sabbath” is that big of a deal now, since we already have that one covered. There was no commandment to even go to the Synagogue on Sabbath (which starts from sun down Friday to sun down Saturday usually), but just to abstain from work. And if there was a commandment to go worship on Saturday, we Latin-Rite Catholics already have that one too as we have Mass everyday of the week.

God bless 🙂

P.S. Another thing your friend should read is Acts of the Apostles chapter 15. It discusses the gentiles requirements for keeping dietary laws etc. (one of my good friends grew up SDA, so I know quite a bit about them)
 
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flameburns623:
Please read the passage in Romans that I cited. It clearly stresses that we are not to be judging one another with regard to what we eat or drink. There are several parallel passages on the same topic. Galatians 4:10; I Corinthans 8: 8-13; Matthew 15: 11-17; Mark 7: 14-19; Acts 10: 10-15. I think the context of Scripture as a whole strongly argues that while we might choose to eat or drink a certain way for personal reasons of health, no particular diet is prescribed or circumscribed for the Christian believer.

I’ll betcha a donut 😛 that someone at Catholic Answers has written about Seventh-day Adventists. They have historically been explicitly anti-Catholic–the office of the Papacy is considered the ‘little horn’ of the Book of Daniel–e.g. the Antichrist–though Adventists stop short of saying that particular popes are themselves the Antichrist.
Didn’t Pope John Paul II say that SDA church is a cult? Please correct me if I’m wrong.
 
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joyfulmess:
Didn’t Pope John Paul II say that SDA church is a cult? Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Unless I miss my guess, you’re thinking of the Latter-Day Saints, the Mormons, and I doubt that the Pope used such a term as ‘cult’. The RCC no longer accepts Mormon baptism because Mormon beliefs and intentions are so different from those of any truly Christian group. Mormons are not considered to be truly Trinitarian.

The problem doesn’t arise with Seventh-day Adventists: they are Trnitarian. Notice that for Adventists the word ‘day’ in the name of their church is lower-case, though it is usually abbreviated with all-cap letters, as ‘SDA’. In the case of the Mormons, the word ‘day’ is capitalised: Latter-Day Saints. I have no idea why the distinction except that this is how each group chose to name itself.
 
Semper Fi:
Actually, the Apostles “broke bread” on Sunday (the first day of the week). Acts 2:42. As we know Christ was crucified on Good Friday and rose from the dead on Sunday, we “break the bread” (have Mass) on Sunday because we believe in the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
As I said earlier, I think we often read the Book of Acts with the assumption that the Apostles observed Sunday from earliest times. One need not make that assumption and there are some reasons for not doing so. In at least one case where the early disciples met to ‘break bread’, it becomes obvious from the text that this meeting actually took place upon what we would think of today as Saturday evening. Remember how people calculated the start and end of each day before Timex could ‘take a licking and keep on ticking’. The day started at sunset on the evening of what we would now deem the prior day, at least in Jewish reckning.

In one case, Paul was preaching ‘on the first day of the week’ long into the night (Acts 20: 7-12), when Eutycus fell asleep and tumbled from a window, apparently killing himself. Paul raised Eutycus from the dead and then finished preaching. When day broke, Paul said goodbye to his friends and departed. It looks very much as if the ‘evening of the first day of the week’ fell upon what we today call Saturday night, and one could argue with some degree of force that Christians may have been in the custom of closing the Sabbath each week with a Vespers meal–remember that many practicing Jews do this to this day (I doubt they call it ‘Vespers’), because one is not supposed to work needlessly to prepare food on the Sabbath itself. ‘Breaking bread’ is more commonly used in Scripture to describe a meal, not an observance of the Eucharist.

By the same token, the ‘first day of the week’ was set aside for gathering tithes and offerings among Christians probably for the same reason this was done amng observant Jews according to some authorities: because in Jewsih law, one could not handle money nor drive livestock nor transport goods on the Sabbath. (Remember that offerings in those days were often done in-kind–rather than giving money, one often contributed livestock or salable goods).

I actually doubt that the reason you are giving for the shift was used as justification for the switch from Saturday to Sunday. It took long centuries for a really sophisticated understanding of the Eucharist to emerge, and I think you are reading backward into the 1st century a development of theology which had not yet taken place. In fact, I don’t believe that Sunday was ever observed as a day set aside specially for worship within the lifetimes of the Apostles. However, the Apostles seem clearly to have become increasingly unconcerned to observe Saturday as a special day of the week for Christians. I think the custom of setting aside Sunday slipped in after the first generation of Christians had passed from the scene, but I also think there is nothing improper about this change based upon the texts I cited earlier.
 
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flameburns623:
As I said earlier, I think we often read the Book of Acts with the assumption that the Apostles observed Sunday from earliest times. One need not make that assumption and there are some reasons for not doing so. In at least one case where the early disciples met to ‘break bread’, it becomes obvious from the text that this meeting actually took place upon what we would think of today as Saturday evening. Remember how people calculated the start and end of each day before Timex could ‘take a licking and keep on ticking’. The day started at sunset on the evening of what we would now deem the prior day, at least in Jewish reckning.

In one case, Paul was preaching ‘on the first day of the week’ long into the night (Acts 20: 7-12), when Eutycus fell asleep and tumbled from a window, apparently killing himself. Paul raised Eutycus from the dead and then finished preaching. When day broke, Paul said goodbye to his friends and departed. It looks very much as if the ‘evening of the first day of the week’ fell upon what we today call Saturday night, and one could argue with some degree of force that Christians may have been in the custom of closing the Sabbath each week with a Vespers meal–remember that many practicing Jews do this to this day (I doubt they call it ‘Vespers’), because one is not supposed to work needlessly to prepare food on the Sabbath itself. ‘Breaking bread’ is more commonly used in Scripture to describe a meal, not an observance of the Eucharist.

By the same token, the ‘first day of the week’ was set aside for gathering tithes and offerings among Christians probably for the same reason this was done amng observant Jews according to some authorities: because in Jewsih law, one could not handle money nor drive livestock nor transport goods on the Sabbath. (Remember that offerings in those days were often done in-kind–rather than giving money, one often contributed livestock or salable goods).

I actually doubt that the reason you are giving for the shift was used as justification for the switch from Saturday to Sunday. It took long centuries for a really sophisticated understanding of the Eucharist to emerge, and I think you are reading backward into the 1st century a development of theology which had not yet taken place. In fact, I don’t believe that Sunday was ever observed as a day set aside specially for worship within the lifetimes of the Apostles. However, the Apostles seem clearly to have become increasingly unconcerned to observe Saturday as a special day of the week for Christians. I think the custom of setting aside Sunday slipped in after the first generation of Christians had passed from the scene, but I also think there is nothing improper about this change based upon the texts I cited earlier.
I never said that it was the only reason for the “shift”, just pointing that there is Apostolic testimony for worshiping on Sunday.

Another thing I would like to point out is that if you actually read the entire verse, you can get from that that it wasn’t just eating a meal. Look at the first second and third parts of the verse:

And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship

then, after this statement we see

and in breaking of bread

and finally

and in prayers.

So, from this, we can easily gather that the “breaking of the bread” was being used in a religious sense and not having a mere meal.
 
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joyfulmess:
My friend is a minister and she recently joined Seventh Day adventist church. We used to do lunch at least 2 times a month sometimes more. Now she says that meat is unclean and she can’t eat it. She is not sure why …she just knows she can’t because of her “religion”.I am a devout Catholic and I am concerned about my friend.
One of my good friends became a Seventh-Day Adventist. We would talk for hours and hours daily about religion and our respective faiths (him SDA and me Baptist). I learned a lot from him about food. He was a vegetarian and everyone laughed at him for being one. They laughed even harder once they figured out he was doing it for religious reasons.

Unfortunately, I didn’t understand him very much either. I often ridiculed his way of thinking and would debate endlessly with him. But eventually, we settled all that peacefully and I found him to be the most compassionate and reliable person I’ve ever known. And, now years later I have become a vegetarian myself. I have to be at least partially thankful to him for showing me the vegetarian lifestyle.

I would say respect your friend’s choices (I learned that the hard way). And, find some common ground - as one poster suggested either making a vegetarian recipe or going to a vegetarian friendly restaurant (hard to come by). The point is to love your friend - learn why they believe the way they do and respect their decisions.

And, don’t worry about your friend’s health. A well-rounded vegetarian diet is very healthy. As long as your friend researches and studies for themselves what to eat to get enough nutrition they will probably be in better health than you.
Cheer up and be a friend 🙂
 
It does not matter whether one is a vegetarian or a meat- eater (except during fast days of course). 😃

“It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man.” Matthew 15:11

Him that privily talked against his neighbor did I drive away from me. Psalm 100:5

It is better to eat meat and drink wine and not to eat the flesh of one’s brethren through slander.
**St. Tikhon of **Voronezh
 
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